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shujuku

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This whole discussion is EXACTLY why I say that we constantly argue Ella being a villain or not here.
She is definitely responsible for a lot of shit that happened to Mc and the world, including the deaths of lots of innocent people, that I can't get behind.
Meddling with Mc's life to put him in dangerous or even deadly situations I can accept, after all this is also how I see their world, you either get strong by facing the most difficult and unfair challenges or you die.
As for "she wants the better for the world" I simply don't know, only that this is what she says, but to make a judgment on that I would first need to know what her plan is, how the world would be after she achieves her goals and what are the alternatives, and I really believe that it WON'T be something that I agree, so beating her ass and forcing her to work with Mc to achieve what I consider correct will be my choice for sure.
Its really easy to see ella's position this way if you change out a couple of words.

First, Ella will be remade into Edward.
Edward loves to rape.
Edward goes and rapes innocent people
Edward makes other people attack the rape victims
Edward summons hordes of rapists to rape people
Edward dies the death of a dog


People on f95 claiming Edward was a real hero and died a true martyr.

just fucking lol
 

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Klaus is Ella's fault too. She's the one that tipped him off about MC. That's along with the whole diner thing with Tiffany.
Funny thing about that. The diner ambush and Tiffany's subsequent blackmail are on her, but the rest of the mob war plotline is not. Ella did give Klaus information with the explicit intent to get the two of them to eventually fight, but MC shows up at the casino working for Alice before he gets around to acting on that info (he was very busy). Their subsequent conflict is a result of the ongoing mob war which MC joined on Alice's side and more specifically him winning/stealing the prize from the poker game that night. Ella, for all of her manipulations, had absolutely nothing to do with any of that, it was all MC acting on his own. She gave info to Klaus because she wanted the fight to happen, but things still would have played out basically the exact same way if she hadn't.
Its really easy to see ella's position this way if you change out a couple of words.
Pretty priviledge is an unstoppable force. If Jake was a nerdy fat girl who became a gigastacy when she evolved and the rest of her story played out exactly the same way, everyone would pick the option to spare him at the end. If Cole was a bisexual yandere goth girl there would be about 90% fewer posts bitching about how MC didn't kill him. (65% fewer posts if femCole was a lesbian instead)
 

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Pretty priviledge is an unstoppable force. If Jake was a nerdy fat girl who became a gigastacy when she evolved and the rest of her story played out exactly the same way, everyone would pick the option to spare him at the end. If Cole was a bisexual yandere goth girl there would be about 90% fewer posts bitching about how MC didn't kill him. (65% fewer posts if femCole was a lesbian instead)
pussy privilege at its finest.

... also damn those two girls you described sound delicious.
 
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Nexum768

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This whole discussion is EXACTLY why I say that we constantly argue Ella being a villain or not here.
She is definitely responsible for a lot of shit that happened to Mc and the world, including the deaths of lots of innocent people, that I can't get behind.
Meddling with Mc's life to put him in dangerous or even deadly situations I can accept, after all this is also how I see their world, you either get strong by facing the most difficult and unfair challenges or you die.
As for "she wants the better for the world" I simply don't know, only that this is what she says, but to make a judgment on that I would first need to know what her plan is, how the world would be after she achieves her goals and what are the alternatives, and I really believe that it WON'T be something that I agree, so beating her ass and forcing her to work with Mc to achieve what I consider correct will be my choice for sure.
Tbh I like ella not just cause shes hot her hearts kinda in the right place methods are hella crazy but the way shes nurturing MC is for his own good if he doesnt get strong enough the people around him and himself will die. As for the betterment for the world thing it really depends she was behind making some superhumans etc and I believe if she could she'd make her friends (Emilly,Christie?) superhumans if she knew they could handle it for their own sake cause if monsters are gonna start invading and getting freaky lots of people are gonna die prolly only a few will survive if they arent strong enough (Level 5s would probably be the exception to this).
Its just a morality thing if she can sacrifice a few for the good of the majority believe she would if it aligns with her goals

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Monsters are dime a dozen(Hope it's spelled like that), and if the big guys wouldn't get the MC infected, some other quite probably would.
The problem with that is that MC would be WAY weaker. Not only are Apostle traits usually superior to non-Apostle traits, but MC has the potential to combine his two traits into one, Evolution, the Arbiter trait.
Then there's the fact that MC is roughly 50% Body and 50% Memory in terms of compatibility. Imagine how weak MC would be if he only had shapeshifting or only had his memory powers. If he didn't get a power from either lineage, then he'd be even weaker than that.
 

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The problem with that is that MC would be WAY weaker. Not only are Apostle traits usually superior to non-Apostle traits, but MC has the potential to combine his two traits into one, Evolution, the Arbiter trait.
Then there's the fact that MC is roughly 50% Body and 50% Memory in terms of compatibility. Imagine how weak MC would be if he only had shapeshifting or only had his memory powers. If he didn't get a power from either lineage, then he'd be even weaker than that.
Thats something I don't get, if MC ís infected by either Memory or Body, why does he get both traits? Is it because the apostles want to or because of MC almost 50/50 genetics. If Michael, infected by Power, had, let's say, 70/30 Power and Aether, would he be able to manifest some Aether powers?
 

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Thats something I don't get, if MC ís infected by either Memory or Body, why does he get both traits? Is it because the apostles want to or because of MC almost 50/50 genetics. If Michael, infected by Power, had, let's say, 70/30 Power and Aether, would he be able to manifest some Aether powers?
MC gets both traits on purpose. Its said that the 4th specifically wants a half-and-half spawn, and that her brother would be the only one willing to go along with and not immediately murder the MC for not being pure enough. So no, Michael wouldnt get any Aether-linaege powers.
 

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The problem with that is that MC would be WAY weaker. Not only are Apostle traits usually superior to non-Apostle traits, but MC has the potential to combine his two traits into one, Evolution, the Arbiter trait.
Then there's the fact that MC is roughly 50% Body and 50% Memory in terms of compatibility. Imagine how weak MC would be if he only had shapeshifting or only had his memory powers. If he didn't get a power from either lineage, then he'd be even weaker than that.
In the grand scheme of things, that's not necessarily true even if you are potentially correct in saying this.
There's enough evidence to suggest that Ella is also a half and half, or at least close.

1. Ella says that she and MC are the same.
2. Ella has dealings with Memory who wants a half and half.
3. Ella is deemed a failure by Memory, not Body.
4. Ella says that she was "never good with Memory", which points to having some, probably minuscule, part of the trait.

Ella has obviously a better version of the Body trait than MC, but if we go by compatibility percentages, she shouldn't be that much more compatible, not to the point of being a prodigy like she is presented to be.
There's also the idea that Apostle spawns are fundamentally different which may affect how this thing works. There's a good chance that MC with only a single trait would be significantly better at it, despite his 50-50 genetic makeup.

In any case, after lurking a bit on the streams and asking WW about stuff like that, it seems like a lot of things are either intentionally misleading or just plain wrong. Syla's words should not be taken seriously without confirmation from another source.
 

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The problem with that is that MC would be WAY weaker. Not only are Apostle traits usually superior to non-Apostle traits, but MC has the potential to combine his two traits into one, Evolution, the Arbiter trait.
Then there's the fact that MC is roughly 50% Body and 50% Memory in terms of compatibility. Imagine how weak MC would be if he only had shapeshifting or only had his memory powers. If he didn't get a power from either lineage, then he'd be even weaker than that.
Pretty much people like kenny would prolly cook our mc
In the grand scheme of things, that's not necessarily true even if you are potentially correct in saying this.
There's enough evidence to suggest that Ella is also a half and half, or at least close.

1. Ella says that she and MC are the same.
2. Ella has dealings with Memory who wants a half and half.
3. Ella is deemed a failure by Memory, not Body.
4. Ella says that she was "never good with Memory", which points to having some, probably minuscule, part of the trait.

Ella has obviously a better version of the Body trait than MC, but if we go by compatibility percentages, she shouldn't be that much more compatible, not to the point of being a prodigy like she is presented to be.
There's also the idea that Apostle spawns are fundamentally different which may affect how this thing works. There's a good chance that MC with only a single trait would be significantly better at it, despite his 50-50 genetic makeup.

In any case, after lurking a bit on the streams and asking WW about stuff like that, it seems like a lot of things are either intentionally misleading or just plain wrong. Syla's words should not be taken seriously without confirmation from another source.
Feels like MC has potential for his body trait to be better than ellas? in one of the endings right before you die she says something about him already being perfect not sure if that relates to his body or memory trait
 

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Soo...anyone know If the dev finally made a decision about stop boring updates? lets be honest this game Is a great, but we all can agree last update was a joke, I mean AFTER the Cole fight this game basicly become a "walking simulator on some kinda of nowhere" where gose all the fun from beggining? Im not even speak direct about school times (we miss now like half characters we know from there) but the general vibe? back then the game balance perfect around serve us a good amount of fun, jokes and funny situations but also serve us a spicy fights, plot twist and so on...but now I feel like I dont know...I just feel like those updates are shorter than before? ends In the worst possible time?

I just want MC become for ONCE a true player In this world, no, not invincible one, but respected, strong and so on, yeah he may be now strong, maybe not, but I want the game itself make It clear around the world "This guy Is "someone" we dont want to fuck with" right?

What happen with demi? the fat goth girl? The cheerleaders? I have not seen them In ages, and they was not a "random" characters we fuck once and call it a day....

Im will not pretende I know how to write a story, but even tho, my brain telling me It was not right and If the dev dont take those characters Into acount before, when he start write the story its his mistake, not mine.

Yeah one could say we gonna get "SuperHuman2" so what? me and you will had wait months? years? for playable story? unless you want to play 1 hour each 3 months update and wait another 3 months....

Its not a hate because as I say I really like the game and the arts, I just feel like the dev wants to pack In to much things and In the end he realize he cannot use all this In one game In order to not make this game 1 year longer updates due to the things he intend to pack...

The good thing Is at least I feel mc goot his next evolution next update and maybe then, the game gain some refresh, from boring as fuck last updates (yeah mom fight was epic, but It was our mom not MC}
If you think about it, these pauses in the plot are quite normal. In basically everything, be it games, series or movies, we have those quieter moments that allow us consumers to take a breather. Here, unfortunately, we'll probably have to wait a while before discovering new things related to the Gods, the Apostles, the Arbiters and the Outer Twins, because in my view, we've already reached a point where everything that had to be revealed has already been revealed, and anything new will only come towards the end of the game, perhaps

Mc is and will continue to be considered weak for a long time to come. The scaling of power has been played up, and not even our level 5, can put Mc among the greats, we have those 3 freaks of the Hero and the Gods, who simply embody aspects of the Universe, and a fucked up and epic battle, and something that may take a while to achieve
 
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Do you guys think that we should take everyone we know and they know to a nice safe corner in the monster dimension after we can set it up to be a nice place of course since I feel like earth will be a lost cause and hero might just do that eventually if things keep getting crazier I mean who knows we end up liking the place since we are getting through fine enough. I don't know does that sound to far fetched
 

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In the grand scheme of things, that's not necessarily true even if you are potentially correct in saying this.
There's enough evidence to suggest that Ella is also a half and half, or at least close.

1. Ella says that she and MC are the same.
2. Ella has dealings with Memory who wants a half and half.
3. Ella is deemed a failure by Memory, not Body.
4. Ella says that she was "never good with Memory", which points to having some, probably minuscule, part of the trait.

Ella has obviously a better version of the Body trait than MC, but if we go by compatibility percentages, she shouldn't be that much more compatible, not to the point of being a prodigy like she is presented to be.
There's also the idea that Apostle spawns are fundamentally different which may affect how this thing works. There's a good chance that MC with only a single trait would be significantly better at it, despite his 50-50 genetic makeup.

In any case, after lurking a bit on the streams and asking WW about stuff like that, it seems like a lot of things are either intentionally misleading or just plain wrong. Syla's words should not be taken seriously without confirmation from another source.
I'm not sure I agree with this interpretation. Consider how, when Ella fails her ceremony during her third Evo, the 4th remarks "Good for breeding". If she was half and half, I can't imagine this would be true. Since we know our MC came from parents who were nearly perfect for one specific lineage.

I think Ella is basically pure for the Third, and the ceremony would have turned her into a 50/50 split. By failing, she remains 100% Body, thus being "good for breeding".
 

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I'm not sure I agree with this interpretation. Consider how, when Ella fails her ceremony during her third Evo, the 4th remarks "Good for breeding". If she was half and half, I can't imagine this would be true. Since we know our MC came from parents who were nearly perfect for one specific lineage.

I think Ella is basically pure for the Third, and the ceremony would have turned her into a 50/50 split. By failing, she remains 100% Body, thus being "good for breeding".
That's not exactly as concrete as it used to be. The 4th said "suitable for birth" after saying "Born by blood". Originally, that could point to Ella being turned by the 3rd. However, MC actually fits almost perfectly. He was born by Syla, who was already a spawn of the 4th. Hence, the born by blood line. Then there's the "suitable for birth" which we can also point to the Origin. Which we know MC is suitable to birth. That seems to be the objective of the 4th's plan and we can see her during the 3rd Evolution trance with her twin waiting for the Origin to appear.

What makes it not concrete is the fact that MC didn't actually touch the liquid. So those should be memories. That's along with the fact that the 4th would already know these things about MC in real time and at that point, MC started developing his memory trait, so he can't be a failure.

So while that scene could be referring to Ella. It can also just as easily be referring to MC as well.
 

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That's not exactly as concrete as it used to be. The 4th said "suitable for birth" after saying "Born by blood". Originally, that could point to Ella being turned by the 3rd. However, MC actually fits almost perfectly. He was born by Syla, who was already a spawn of the 4th. Hence, the born by blood line. Then there's the "suitable for birth" which we can also point to the Origin. Which we know MC is suitable to birth. That seems to be the objective of the 4th's plan and we can see her during the 3rd Evolution trance with her twin waiting for the Origin to appear.

What makes it not concrete is the fact that MC didn't actually touch the liquid. So those should be memories. That's along with the fact that the 4th would already know these things about MC in real time and at that point, MC started developing his memory trait, so he can't be a failure.

So while that scene could be referring to Ella. It can also just as easily be referring to MC as well.
The idea that the 4th was talking about the MC also really doesn't make sense. Like, we see Ella deliberately fail her ceremony because she spared Chrissie, and then the 4th talks about failure. It is an extreme stretch to say that the two are not referring to the same event.
 
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