XeroZero000

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Really? then why it showing like this?

P.S: (I already change it to its original state but still doesn't work)
Sorry, I'm not well-versed in JoiPlay, so I can't say what the problem is here.

The only issue I had with the game was related to save files. I had to revert to an older version of Ren'Py because the newer version was probably incompatible with the older save files or something like that.
 
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Kaizaki69

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Sorry, I'm not well-versed in JoiPlay, so I can't say what the problem is here.

The only issue I had with the game was related to save files. I had to revert to an older version of Ren'Py because the newer version was probably incompatible with the older save files or something like that.
Ah so your using an order version of renpy? Okay I'm gonna try that thanks anyway
 

Nexum768

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How the fuck did Ella cause Mia?

Jake fucked up by getting caught by Mia
Then he fucked up by panicking.
Then he fucked up by using his power on mia
Then he fucked up by botching his use of powers mia due to his panic.
Then he evolved while using his powers on mia
Then he fucked up by losing control over his evolution like a chump.

There is no possible universe in which you can forsee such a chain of fuckups without explicitly having future sight super power.

Also, "I will heal her if you do X" is not hostage.
You are not just magically entitled to someone coming over and healing you.
This is why we pay doctors.
tbh its perfectly fair of ella to ask jake to do shit for her if she wants her to fix his fuck up
 

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Well, depends what you consider to be control. Authority is control over people, so Jake can't just control the world as he pleases. Order, meanwhile, being the fusion of authority and power, is said to "write the laws that govern the universe", so that would be closer to complete control of everything.

In reality, every apostle's power controls a certain aspect of the world. Authority controls wills, power controls, well, power/energy, body controls the physical, etc.
I am just wondering. It is hinted that he limited his power "Control" to simply controlling people's thoughts/actions. What if control had the ability to effect other things.
I am just letting my mind brainstorm. But what if it could influence the many things that we cant calculate as it happens. A marble rolling down a hill. We can't know the path it will take. Not without measuring every nook and cranny of the mountain to find what will impede one path or another. That would not be re-writing the law that govern the universe, or would it?
Maybe just nudging them a little. But surely not more that is allowed by the observer effect.

This is just a half-formed idea, but with there being multiple references of him limiting his abilities; it has me wondering.
I will have to replay the game and give it more though
 
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I am just wondering. It is hinted that he limited his power "Control" to simply controlling people's thoughts/actions. What if control had the ability to effect other things.
I am just letting my mind brainstorm. But what if it could influence the many things that we cant calculate as it happens. A marble rolling down a hill. We can't know the path it will take. Not without measuring every nook and cranny of the mountain to find what will impede one path or another. That would not be re-writing the law that govern the universe, or would it?
Maybe just nudging them a little. But surely not more that is allowed by the observer effect.

This is just a half-formed idea, but with there being multiple references of him limiting his abilities; it has me wondering.
I will have to replay the game and give it more though
Yeah I don't think authority alone can do that. Authority, during the apostle training MC had, said something like "I speak and others obey". That implies that the 1st affects only people, minds, wills, or however you may put it. It only affects things that can decide their own actions.

A rock, meanwhile, cannot decide for itself anything, for it is mindless. No matter how much authority a king has, willing a rock to move won't do anything.

As for altering the rock's path, you are correct that you don't have to necessarily alter the laws of the universe to do that; after all, you can just alter its trajectory, weight, size, shape, and many other factors to achieve the same effect. However, "how the universe works" is rather obscure. Order would probably be able to just make physics go haywire (either in general or only for that rock) and make the rock end up where the user wants it to.
 
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shujuku

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Yeah I don't think authority alone can do that. Authority, during the apostle training MC had, said something like "I speak and others obey". That implies that the 1st affects only people, minds, wills, or however you may put it. It only affects things that can decide their own actions.

A rock, meanwhile, cannot decide for itself anything, for it is mindless. No matter how much authority a king has, willing a rock to move won't do anything.

As for altering the rock's path, you are correct that you don't have to necessarily alter the laws of the universe to do that; after all, you can just alter its trajectory, weight, size, shape, and many other factors to achieve the same effect. However, "how the universe works" is rather obscure. Order would probably be able to just make physics go haywire (either in general or only for that rock) and make the rock end up where the user wants it to.
Hmm its really weird because authority by far is the most broken power out of all apostles because if the user is a very good match then just being near them is ultra mindrape that you cant defend yourself against. Lvl 2 Jake was able to mindrape lvl 5's until he got exposed and he was some shit user, imagine a qualified authority user...
 

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I am just wondering. It is hinted that he limited his power "Control" to simply controlling people's thoughts/actions. What if control had the ability to effect other things.
It explicitly does have the power to affect other things. Warping reality is also a form of control.
Authority is terrifying and not limited to mind control only
 
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