VN Ren'Py Superhuman [v0.99999b] [WeirdWorld]

[OnlineRando]

MC probably lands around Arbiter tier at the highest by the end. Lowest being Natural Level 5.

As for the Natural Level 5 Superhumans. It's superhumans who evolved naturally while completing their requirements to evolve. Doing it rewards them with gifts in the form of unique abilities or mutations of their powers. It also likely grants a greater amount of internal power and increased power growth as well.


Eisheth couldn't hold back Malik without the help of her daughters, Strength Eaters and Undines during the Battle of Diamonds. She didn't try to fight him afterwards as well. Leaving as soon as he broke out of the prison. Syla was able to use Eisheth true form to attack Indra and it did nothing to him. Then lastly, a suppressed Bernhardt defeated her with ease in her true form.

With that level of showing, it's clear that Eisheth isn't ranked that high among the Chosen. Especially when Ella believed that Aglaecwif could outright end Nyx and Malik during the Battle of Diamonds. So Eisheth would be comparable to the expert Level 5 Superhumans aka the Captains. In her fight with Nico, she needed assistance from Hex or she would've been in the sun. That wouldn't have killed her, but she would've lost. Then it's her comparison to Lexi in and outside of the dream.

Eisheth however dominated Kira and Elijah with no problem. By a large amount at that too. Especially since she didn't use her true form at all for them. So Eisheth would be around the Captains tier. Most "Artificial" Level 5s likely won't be able to beat her without having comparable power or an ability suited to beat her.

As for all of the Chosen not being on par with the Natural Level 5s. That remains to be seen and depends on the Chosen in question. Chosen have the Apostle traits. 2 of the 3 known Nat 5s have lesser traits. Indra, by virtue of being an Apostle Avatar and Chosen, would have to be on par with them. Unless you believe Level 5 Superhumans can beat Apostles. There's also the fact that Valravn, even while weakened, could nullify Nico's powers. Reminder that Valravn dropped from S+ to C+ levels of power and still could stop her power. Aglaecwif has her mysterious language of the void magic or whatever it's called. That's on top of her connection to the Immaterial world.

So, for me, Chosen are above Level 5 Superhumans who haven't had their powers as long and used a serum instead of reaching completion. Which essentially points to majority of the known Level 5s. There's a few exceptions, of course. But I don't see every serum taking Superhuman being capable of beating the Chosen. The reverse is some what true as well. Hence, Chosen are above Level 5 (should've specified that I meant Artificial) and around the same ballpark as Nat 5s.

So with that in mind. They would fall within the Natural Level 5 Superhumans tier, for me. Especially since some Chosen themselves could be Natural Level 5 Superhumans, who failed their 5th Evolution and/or flat out turned into monsters. Syla potentially being an example of this. Hell, for all we know, Indra is actually a Natural Level 5 Althuman. Which is why he was rewarded with being an Avatar of the 2nd.

For the Ella mention about Aglaecwif about being able to end the Captains. It's in her letter.

What I meant is that the natural level 5's (we know of, being Bernhardt, Malik, and Henry) are stronger than the chosen, at least usually.

As I said, Eiseth didn't seem to be particularly weak among the chosen. Indra was said to be the strongest, not to mention that there's a debate to be had about how strong Syla's imitation was when compared to the original (and not even just power-wise, Eiseth could survive some nasty wounds while Syla's copy easily broke).

As for Aglaekcwif, there are a few points to make: firstly, she could simply be among the stronger chosen, and Malik is probably by far the weakest of the three natural level 5s, so her beating him is potentially possible. Secondly, fantasy powers are hax by nature, so she could potentially just catch Malik off guard. Thirdly, while Ella's opinion is generally trustworthy in regards to these things, it has been mentioned that the three natural level 5s are extremely anomalous in their strength, so it is possible that Ella was just underestimating Malik, and I have no doubt that Nico is fodder before the chosen.

My personal opinion is that the natural level 5s should generally be a tier above the chosen, unless the trio are not normal natty level 5s, in which case natural level 5s should be about the same as regular level 5s.

 

[DrakoGhoul]

What I meant is that the natural level 5's (we know of, being Bernhardt, Malik, and Henry) are stronger than the chosen, at least usually.

As I said, Eiseth didn't seem to be particularly weak among the chosen. Indra was said to be the strongest, not to mention that there's a debate to be had about how strong Syla's imitation was when compared to the original (and not even just power-wise, Eiseth could survive some nasty wounds while Syla's copy easily broke).

As for Aglaekcwif, there are a few points to make: firstly, she could simply be among the stronger chosen, and Malik is probably by far the weakest of the three natural level 5s, so her beating him is potentially possible. Secondly, fantasy powers are hax by nature, so she could potentially just catch Malik off guard. Thirdly, while Ella's opinion is generally trustworthy in regards to these things, it has been mentioned that the three natural level 5s are extremely anomalous in their strength, so it is possible that Ella was just underestimating Malik, and I have no doubt that Nico is fodder before the chosen.

My personal opinion is that the natural level 5s should generally be a tier above the chosen, unless the trio are not normal natty level 5s, in which case natural level 5s should be about the same as regular level 5s.

Already addressed this. I realized my error when I remembered Chosen could also be Superhumans of both kinds. Both Natural and Artificial. So it's actually pointless to compare the three groups. We haven't came across a Natural Level 5 Chosen yet. Among other things.

 

[Ddlc]

pretty neat would make sense for the chosen to think like their apostles and share their goals that way if they do take over the chosen's body then it'd probably go smoother? (Idk with erasing the consciousness/becoming the apostle) neat idea

I think they erase their chosen's existence based on what happens to Mc when the eye takes over, it seems his consciousness just dissappears, and since it only happens in dead ends I assume it means a kind of death to him, in the sense that his body was taken by a different being.
This complements with what the eye says about Henri, I think it's "ascendant yet unborn", my interpretation is that he is ready to be taken by a higher power but for some reason said entity couldn't/didn't do that yet.

 

[Nexum768]

I think they erase their chosen's existence based on what happens to Mc when the eye takes over, it seems his consciousness just dissappears, and since it only happens in dead ends I assume it means a kind of death to him, in the sense that his body was taken by a different being.
This complements with what the eye says about Henri, I think it's "ascendant yet unborn", my interpretation is that he is ready to be taken by a higher power but for some reason said entity couldn't/didn't do that yet.

I feel like this has to do with the "Hasnt embraced his powers" or something someone said (I believe it was lisa could be wrong) about henri feels like if he embraces it he'll die/be reborn with the entity and is choosing not to do it.
Who knows maybe if MC or the chosen is strong enough rather than have their body taken over maybe its more of a merge MC/Chosen remains conscious and the apostle does have some influence as well.

 

[harem.king]

Hobo came, got laughed at by a bunch of kids, took it extremally poorly, and got put at his ass by MC. Then Ella shows up and shoo him away. The guy had no chance at doing anything, even if MC does not choose to help, as one of the kids was reaching to his blindfold, presumably to use his powers on him(kinda vague), and then MC is forced to do this anyway by "mystery forces". The end of an encounter, the guy knows beter now and fucks off into the distance.

After that she takes MC to the guy, guts him with a smile and unravels the "Transform others" power to MC. Why? What is justified here? The guy couldn't and wouldn't do anything to her or the kids, Charlie as a baseline would ensure that if nothing else, and she let him go the first time, didn't she? This was not defense of herself, or the runaway kids. Like, if a guy with multiple sclerosis, that barely even moves, attacks my girlfriend with a rubber knife over any reason, and she could defend herself, if not tear the guy apart - me scaring him away, then taking one of my buddies with me to track the guy, kill him for show and throw his body into a meatgrinder, just to explain to the buddy that the meatgrinder as a tool exists, and he has one in an attic ... Man, this is nothing but cruelty.

Just because THESE kids happened to have super powers, does not make it suddenly ok for the hobo to rob children with a knife.
He deserves the death penalty for that, and in some countries would receive the death penalty. At which point, as a condemned, he was an ideal subject for a lesson.

 

[Forget Me Not]

It's early December where the update at.

 

[JoeSlace]

Strength Eaters and Undines, what monster is the undines? i don't remember that one

 

[KingAgamemnon]

There is live streams of him doing the art. From the little i saw, he uses 3D models to drawn on top. Maybe he uses AI for something? idk.

I believe he used AI for backgrounds?

 

[One_Black_Sun]

I believe he used AI for backgrounds?

It does feel like it, but I personally believe he just used an AI filter on pictures to make backgrounds. They have this sort of weird, blotchy look to them, with quite obvious artifacts in some spots.

 

[obibobi]

not to mention that there's a debate to be had about how strong Syla's imitation was when compared to the original (and not even just power-wise, Eiseth could survive some nasty wounds while Syla's copy easily broke).

One of the monsters hunts has you go after a memory monster, and Nico wanted you to engage it first because it may have made a copy of Malik if she did. I think it was said that the limitation was the power reserves of the creator.

 

[OnlineRando]

One of the monsters hunts has you go after a memory monster, and Nico wanted you to engage it first because it may have made a copy of Malik if she did. I think it was said that the limitation was the power reserves of the creator.

That's true, but I meant in the sense that Syla's Eiseth seemed awfully fragile when you consider that one of Eiseth's greatest weapons is arguably her survivability. Syla's copies, meanwhile, break easily, so I think that might have limited her ability to use Eiseth effectively.

 

[obibobi]

That's true, but I meant in the sense that Syla's Eiseth seemed awfully fragile when you consider that one of Eiseth's greatest weapons is arguably her survivability. Syla's copies, meanwhile, break easily, so I think that might have limited her ability to use Eiseth effectively.

Maybe but I think more so that moment was to highlight Indra's overwhelming power, he say's himself that she's throwing opponents at him he's bested. It wasn't to give him drawn out battles but to show his clear superiority.

I also wouldn't say her survivability is her greatest weapon, at that level they are all incredibly difficult to kill, she survived in a very similar method to the MC's mom, willing the attack to have had no affect.

 

[SasugaRyzeSama]

Just because THESE kids happened to have super powers, does not make it suddenly ok for the hobo to rob children with a knife.
He deserves the death penalty for that, and in some countries would receive the death penalty. At which point, as a condemned, he was an ideal subject for a lesson.

There are countries in which rudely talking to your superior will get you in front of the firing squad, by the letter of the law. This is no argument, most civilized countries do not have death penalty at all. For the deserving part, I don't think trying to steal a bike from a kid sets one to be killed off by any margin. Threatening to get violent and harming a kid - oh, THAT may be, but he got put on his ass and left, maybe taught something. So, for me at least, at best he MAY deserve death, not is set to it. But I understand your point well, just I have much forgiving mindset.

But my point still stands about Ella, who didn't killed him for that, not even according to herself (I played this part again to refresh my memory). She killed him because he was stinking, and was the last person to negatively interact with her, indirectly but still. Not even to show the ability to transform others, she says she intended to show MC that anyway, even before he came. And when MC has a problem with that, to quote Ella "Yeah? Why do you care? It's just a fucking human."

The more I am in this debate about Ella being or not being just evil, the more I check and recollect the game, the worse she is than I originally thought.

 

[Dinoflaggelate]

Strength Eaters and Undines, what monster is the undines? i don't remember that one

I don't think we've actually seen them, just told that they were in the force field Malik was trapped in. Based on the name they would have water powers (an undine is a water spirit), which would have been useful for teaming with Strength Eaters.

 

[One_Black_Sun]

I don't think we've actually seen them, just told that they were in the force field Malik was trapped in. Based on the name they would have water powers (an undine is a water spirit), which would have been useful for teaming with Strength Eaters.

They *do* actually appear, later on in the game, during the Twins arc.

 

[Dinoflaggelate]

They *do* actually appear, later on in the game, during the Twins arc.

Where? Do some come with the Strength Eaters that infect Liz and Amber, and I didn't notice?

 

[Grimnir098]

But my point still stands about Ella, who didn't killed him for that, not even according to herself (I played this part again to refresh my memory). She killed him because he was stinking, and was the last person to negatively interact with her, indirectly but still. Not even to show the ability to transform others, she says she intended to show MC that anyway, even before he came. And when MC has a problem with that, to quote Ella "Yeah? Why do you care? It's just a fucking human."

Yeah, because everyone knows Ella doesn't lie, and it's not as if someone might obfuscate their reason for doing something if that reason could be perceived as a vulnerability, especially if they're an abuse victim.

I suggest you take a step back from this and think clearly. If you go looking for reasons to hate someone, you'll find them.

 

[shujuku]

Where? Do some come with the Strength Eaters that infect Liz and Amber, and I didn't notice?

If you remember Ella with Heat and the others digging deep into the earth they uncover two shackled monsters, one of those was the Strength Eater

 

[SasugaRyzeSama]

Yeah, because everyone knows Ella doesn't lie, and it's not as if someone might obfuscate their reason for doing something if that reason could be perceived as a vulnerability, especially if they're an abuse victim.

I suggest you take a step back from this and think clearly. If you go looking for reasons to hate someone, you'll find them.

So her lying or not depends on specific situation and it outcome to fit into your opinion about her? ok. I don't hate the character, it's well written and entertaining, just evil.

 

[Grimnir098]

So her lying or not depends on specific situation and it outcome to fit into your opinion about her? ok. I don't hate the character, it's well written and entertaining, just evil.

Yes... whether someone is likely lying is completely dependent on the specific situation. Why are you acting incredulous? Do you not understand how and why people lie, or something?

If it's so obvious Ella wasn't lying here, then you can just explain why.
I don't understand why you continue to digress so you can undermine my character.
Actually, I know do why, it's because you have no argument but you can't accept that you're wrong.