VN Ren'Py Superhuman [v0.99999b] [WeirdWorld]

[KingAgamemnon]

It's been stated that your monster parent has no bearing on how strong you become

Eh, from what I've seen I'm not sure I can agree. Yes, it has been said in game that your genes and mental state are the true deciding factors, but the narrative we are shown strongly implies the monster parent does have a strong influence. Like, we know that Michael is not genetically predisposed to Power, yet it was Power's avatar that gave him his powers. Similarly, the person Michael used as bait did indeed get powers similar to the monster that got him. We, the MC who are predisposed to both Body and Memory, were transformed by either of those Apostle's avatars. Deryl was transformed by the Rebis, and Kenny was transformed by one of those oil monsters. There is an incredibly strong correlation, despite the characters saying otherwise, between the monster that transforms you and the powers you get upon becoming a superhuman.

 

[Rutonat]

Eh, from what I've seen I'm not sure I can agree. Yes, it has been said in game that your genes and mental state are the true deciding factors, but the narrative we are shown strongly implies the monster parent does have a strong influence. Like, we know that Michael is not genetically predisposed to Power, yet it was Power's avatar that gave him his powers. Similarly, the person Michael used as bait did indeed get powers similar to the monster that got him. We, the MC who are predisposed to both Body and Memory, were transformed by either of those Apostle's avatars. Deryl was transformed by the Rebis, and Kenny was transformed by one of those oil monsters. There is an incredibly strong correlation, despite the characters saying otherwise, between the monster that transforms you and the powers you get upon becoming a superhuman.

Kenny is the worst example you could have picked and nowhere near proving anything. The dude was some shithead, first off, and didn't exactly try to get stronger. He just got attacked and was too weak-willed to overcome turning into a monster.
It's not like he had been like that for months and did what he could to get stronger.
Dude was basically someone bitten during a zombie apocalypse : he turned shortly after, attacked, and got trashed.

Deryl showed that, despite his monster parent not being exactly one of the most powerful fighter there are, it's how you use your capabilities that matter. Had his plan gone without issue, he'd have probably overpowered the MC.

And the MC isn't a good example either, because Plot Armor.

As for Michael, there's a lot we don't yet know about his case, I'd say it's too early to tell much.

 

[KingAgamemnon]

Kenny is the worst example you could have picked and nowhere near proving anything. The dude was some shithead, first off, and didn't exactly try to get stronger. He just got attacked and was too weak-willed to overcome turning into a monster.
It's not like he had been like that for months and did what he could to get stronger.
Dude was basically someone bitten during a zombie apocalypse : he turned shortly after, attacked, and got trashed.

Deryl showed that, despite his monster parent not being exactly one of the most powerful fighter there are, it's how you use your capabilities that matter. Had his plan gone without issue, he'd have probably overpowered the MC.

And the MC isn't a good example either, because Plot Armor.

As for Michael, there's a lot we don't yet know about his case, I'd say it's too early to tell much.

Ah, I may have misunderstood strength as meaning "what powers you get". I now realize it was in reference to actual strength. My bad. Yes, I agree with this wholeheartedly.

 

[Rutonat]

Ah, I may have misunderstood strength as meaning "what powers you get". I now realize it was in reference to actual strength. My bad. Yes, I agree with this wholeheartedly.

Yeah. Any power is ultimately meaningless if it's not cultivated. Even a power as strong, on paper, as Michael's would be a fart in the wind if he didn't have the drive to learn to use it better.

I mean, look at the MC. His powers technically don't predispose him for fighting. So, compatibility and the identity of the monster parents is ultimately only telling one thing : the inherent potential.
But even that doesn't do much on its own. It really boils down to the drive of the user and their intelligence in how to use it.

I think that, if someone like Tess for example had gotten the MC's powers, she'd be far from where he is with the same amount of time. The main difference being that he wanted to control his powers more, while she'd likely have used it solely for fucking.

Any good power, given to someone who's personality is unfitting, isn't gonna go far. Like, look at that asshat Jake, for example. Sure, guy's smart, but ultimately his willpower is absolutely lacking, because deep down he's just a bully-bait.
Give a power like that to a more power-hungry character, however ? That would be a disaster for everyone around.

 

[Landro2340]

Eh, from what I've seen I'm not sure I can agree. Yes, it has been said in game that your genes and mental state are the true deciding factors, but the narrative we are shown strongly implies the monster parent does have a strong influence. Like, we know that Michael is not genetically predisposed to Power, yet it was Power's avatar that gave him his powers. Similarly, the person Michael used as bait did indeed get powers similar to the monster that got him. We, the MC who are predisposed to both Body and Memory, were transformed by either of those Apostle's avatars. Deryl was transformed by the Rebis, and Kenny was transformed by one of those oil monsters. There is an incredibly strong correlation, despite the characters saying otherwise, between the monster that transforms you and the powers you get upon becoming a superhuman.

Rutonat has covered most of this but just my two cents tho, as not only will is needed. There are some "Rituals" and of course the natural instinct each Superhuman inherits from their monster lineage.

Malik and Bernhardt are the living proof your monster origin has no impact in how powerful a superhuman can get bro. Some superhumans do have an early advantage, hell even an Apostle's blessing in some cases, but it's up to the Superhuman to overcome the rituals imposed (Like the Dreamworld/Memory connection part for the MC) in their path to reach their peak and follow their instincts in order to grow (I.E. MC's case he must eat foes for their bodies/memories).

The cheat code is Xanthe's serum that bypasses this process, which is why some folk believe artificially leveled superhumans can't hold a candle to those who got there naturally (tho we only know of 3 Superhumans who reached that stage in this way). But even with that serum a Superhuman must simply have the ambition to grow.

Perhaps doing those rituals, like the ones we've seen Michael has to take are the key to reach the level 5 naturally.

I think that, if someone like Tess for example had gotten the MC's powers, she'd be far from where he is with the same amount of time. The main difference being that he wanted to control his powers more, while she'd likely have used it solely for fucking.

The MC who fucks everything in sight:

 

[Rutonat]

The MC who fucks everything in sight:

Yeah but he still has a drive to use his powers for other things than fucking.

 

[txe320]

Yeah but he still has a drive to use his powers for other things than fucking.

Yeah, for peace.

So he can fuck more.

 

[RabbidSupreme]

Friendly reminder that the move that ultimately won the 1st round with Cole was first used to fuck Liz

But besides that the true determining factor is compatibility with your monster parent. Working hard and natural talent is important sure, but those are all supported by the pillar of your own genetics, it's the main reason why Alice has so much firepower and why Jake was more or less equal with MC despite not doing even remotely as much as him

 

[EtherYet]

[...] strongly implies the monster parent does have a strong influence.

Maybe it's a correlation thing? There's some sort of implicit hierarchy with how Monsters act, with a lot of the higher caste being just all-around more intelligent & stronger than the ones at the bottom, I don't think it'd be a stretch to assume that the Monster that sires is a factor too, but that the reason why the people with 'stronger monster parents' tend to be best isn't because of the monster parent, but that the better Monsters simply go for the people with most potential in the first place

If Ella can gauge how compatible people are - and how much potential for growth they have - I figure some monsters might be able to do the same, and those that either have high standards or 'need' strong children just go for the best possible ones because that's just what makes the most sense.

Personally I think genes aside after you've already become a Superhuman, your mind is the main factor, and I think Ella got that far as a Superhuman because she both 1. Has a good mentality and 2. Enough knowledge to pretty much min-max her stats. So far a common theme with strong characters is that they have something that just 'clicks' within them and that originality links up with a motivator and that's what separates them from strong to top tier, and I don't think that heavily depends on the monster.

Then again if your powers are exceptionally ass you'd probably have a much smaller chance of being able to grow anyway, so there's that, LOL.

 

[Grimnir098]

Friendly reminder that the move that ultimately won the 1st round with Cole was first used to fuck Liz

But besides that the true determining factor is compatibility with your monster parent. Working hard and natural talent is important sure, but those are all supported by the pillar of your own genetics, it's the main reason why Alice has so much firepower and why Jake was more or less equal with MC despite not doing even remotely as much him

To a degree, but Michael was noted by Ella as not having great compatibility with Power (his sire), which is why she originally gave him the pill to lure the leigong.

 

[OnlineRando]

To a degree, but Michael was noted by Ella as not having great compatibility with Power (his sire), which is why she originally gave him the pill to lure the leigong.

That is not true. She only said he wasn't an exact match, not that he isn't compatible. The wording makes the difference between being in the 70 to 80% range and not the 90%+, and between being around or even below 60%.

And in the end, Michael would've probably been stronger by having Leigong's powers.

Sure, on paper, Power is a superior ability to Lightning. More versatile, broader, and coming from one of the most impressive beings we know of... but Truth would also be the same when compared to Aerokinesis, and we all know how that fight went.

 

[Jooj Cena]

Man what a gem, really do hope the dev continues to make VNs. Sucks that I went through all the content and now have to sit in the waiting hell with you guys

 

[Youtiy]

That is not true. She only said he wasn't an exact match, not that he isn't compatible. The wording makes the difference between being in the 70 to 80% range and not the 90%+, and between being around or even below 60%.

And in the end, Michael would've probably been stronger by having Leigong's powers.

Sure, on paper, Power is a superior ability to Lightning. More versatile, broader, and coming from one of the most impressive beings we know of... but Truth would also be the same when compared to Aerokinesis, and we all know how that fight went.

Alright so to start off I haven't watched any of WW's streams so if anything he's said during those goes against what I'm about to say I apologize in advance, I'm going purely off what I've seen in game (Which according to a previous user is the only accurate source since apparently WW said anything he says could be lies?)

The degree of power a Superhuman can access is determined primarily by 1: Their compatibility with the monster that infected them, 2: Their effort to growing stronger, 3: Their mindset since apparently that has a big impact on how your power takes shape/grows. There's a bunch of other factors but from what I understand being the spawn of an Apostle does NOT make you automatically stronger then everyone else, an example being almost all of the current Evo 5's in Hero, the majority of them aren't spawns of Apostles and yet are drastically stronger then the vast majority of things we've seen thus far, this directly proves the point that the strength of the monster that turns you doesn't dictate your overall growth or your limits. Now that's not to say it's meaningless since obviously some powers are stronger than other's, but in general it isn't the main dictator of how strong you'll become.

At the very least this's my interpretation on it based on what I encountered in game, hope it's of some use in understanding things.

 

[Youtiy]

Also I'd just like to say, it's truly a testament to how good this game is that there's so much conversation about the lore.

 

[OnlineRando]

Alright so to start off I haven't watched any of WW's streams so if anything he's said during those goes against what I'm about to say I apologize in advance, I'm going purely off what I've seen in game (Which according to a previous user is the only accurate source since apparently WW said anything he says could be lies?)

The degree of power a Superhuman can access is determined primarily by 1: Their compatibility with the monster that infected them, 2: Their effort to growing stronger, 3: Their mindset since apparently that has a big impact on how your power takes shape/grows. There's a bunch of other factors but from what I understand being the spawn of an Apostle does NOT make you automatically stronger then everyone else, an example being almost all of the current Evo 5's in Hero, the majority of them aren't spawns of Apostles and yet are drastically stronger then the vast majority of things we've seen thus far, this directly proves the point that the strength of the monster that turns you doesn't dictate your overall growth or your limits. Now that's not to say it's meaningless since obviously some powers are stronger than other's, but in general it isn't the main dictator of how strong you'll become.

At the very least this's my interpretation on it based on what I encountered in game, hope it's of some use in understanding things.

Yeah. How compatible you are with your power, how genetically suitable you are towards being a superhuman, your mindset, and your effort, are all the things that affect your strength the most. Although some powers are obviously stronger. No matter how much Angelina levels or how compatible she is with her monster, she is NOT getting beyond that trash tier. Even if they invented level six just for her, everything she will have is physical strength, and even that just barely. She just isn't suited for combat.

It is for that reason apostle traits are superior; within their field, their versatility is simply unmatched. They aren't limited to being one thing. MC isn't limited to producing breast milk buff potions, or to just reading memories.

But other than that, they aren't too extraordinary. The combat potency of, say, Memory, isn't much different from that of a Memory derived ability that lets you, say, make your opponent incapable of remembering anything. Sure, pure memory can do that, but the other ability would do that better. The advantage comes from the sheer amount of other stuff it can do.

Also I'd just like to say, it's truly a testament to how good this game is that there's so much conversation about the lore.

Yeah for sure. Literally "came for porn, stayed for the plot".

 

[OmegaAlpga]

she is NOT getting beyond that trash tier.

What are you talking about? At level 6, her boobs are going to be the size of entire universes! She could just breast-slap enemies out of existence—one swing and poof, gone lol! I doubt any character could survive universe-sized tiddies crashing down on them… not to mention the absolute tsunami of breast milk that would follow.

 

[One_Black_Sun]

What are you talking about? At level 6, her boobs are going to be the size of entire universes! She could just breast-slap enemies out of existence—one swing and poof, gone lol! I doubt any character could survive universe-sized tiddies crashing down on them… not to mention the absolute tsunami of breast milk that would follow.

Is her ultimate ability gonna be called something like "Milky Way Drive"?

 

[johndqdo]

Hi guys! When do you think the next update will drop?

I've decided to wait more than a year to have the best experience, and I plan to play version 1.0 - the version that will update the models at the beginning of the game - which I think will be the next one.

 

[txe320]

Hi guys! When do you think the next update will drop?

I've decided to wait more than a year to have the best experience, and I plan to play version 1.0 - the version that will update the models at the beginning of the game - which I think will be the next one.

It won't be the next one for sure. If you are waiting for that, we don't know when it will be.

 

[KingAgamemnon]

Hi guys! When do you think the next update will drop?

I've decided to wait more than a year to have the best experience, and I plan to play version 1.0 - the version that will update the models at the beginning of the game - which I think will be the next one.

We thought it was going to be the one after the next, but WW seems to believe that the next few updates won't be the v1.0 update. There's currently no ETA other than maybe after some ways into the next arc.