VN Ren'Py Superhuman [v0.99999b] [WeirdWorld]

[BenoTF25]

Going to lvl 1-5 in one night would probably be one of the worst things to happen considering the trips MC has gone through probably not as bad but sitll bad

Buddy was hit with the most fucked up acid trip on mankind's history

 

[BenoTF25]

It's possible, thought I believe the leading theory on what makes Henri is different is that he's the natural genetic chimera that Tanos mentions having met. His own twin, so he catalyzed his evolution and evolved super fast, and two separate cell lines for two separate genetic affinities. But we don't have any deeper evidence on that, it's just an interesting coincidence at this point, so it could be that Henri is the offspring of an alien god. Ella says that the alien gods have appeared recently, which might contradict them being the Great Lord's source of power, but what is "recent' to a god? They're immortal beings, what's recent to them could be millions of years to us.

Someone I think is a very good candidate for being descended from an alien god is Deus. A consistent theme with Deus is that there's something wrong with his powers. He has constant visions and nightmares about the existential scope of the cosmos. Valravn finds him intrinsically disgusting and frightening (and remember what Ella called the alien gods? "Parasites". The Lord of Dark hates parasites). The Eye has trouble figuring out if Deus is even a superhuman at all, and calls him an aberration. And, the thing that has started so many arguments about Deus, he has clear time-related powers but claims not be linked to the Time. What if it's a different god of time that he's descended from? It's entirely possible there's something else wrong about Deus, but it is an interesting pattern.

Man, I straight up ignored Deus when thinking about the Alien Gods, but now that you mentioned him, I seriously think he is a far better option that Henri for the spot of being the spawn of one(I'm not tossing my idea of him being one just yet though)

That would fit good with various traits of his Character, his unusual power, clearly different from common superhuman, to the point of being surely more dangerous than most level five, despite he himself not being one. Being mentioned as an 'Aberrant' by the eye, something totally beyond of it's knowledge despite the aforementioned having probably knowledge about most things on the universe, I mean, he straight up read Berni at first glance(on surface at least) but that wasn't possible with Deus.

Hell, even his whole 'Being aware of the scope and crude reality of the cosmos' and treating Ella's deal and the current war against the monsters as something manageable would be totally in line if he was actually the offspring of an Alien Deity, like even if his "Parent" is not on the level of the Apostles, that thing would be still something from outside reality, probably carrying with it knowledge of other 'places' that he later passed to Deus, resulting on him having his grim outlook on things, since he might know everything is fucked on this and other universes.

 

[King_In_Yellow]

Art made by MidnightMuffin from the Discord server
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Another Magnificent Work

 

[bfc233]

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Is it just me or does Ella give me some serious Batman Beyond vibes here?
Or maybe 'Do the Evolution', which, all things considered, may be more fitting.

God the nineties were wild in the best sense.

 

[Blaze_Lumini]

So the apostles come in pairs, the first six Apostles embody complementary concepts while the next six embody opposing concepts. The game itself states that the 1st (Authority) and 2nd (Strength) combined make the power/concept of "Order", arguably the strongest power. I've also seen in this chat thread that people mention "Evolution" (3rd/body and 4th/mind combined) as well as "Paradox" (9th/Truth and 10th/Fantasy combined).

My questions are:
-Are Evolution and Paradox legit names/concepts or are they fan-made?
-What are the combined names for 5/6, 7/8, 11/12?
-Are the supposedly six Arbitors related to these six combined concepts/powers or are they a completely different subject altogether?

-(This one is more food for thought) Does the fact that the last 6 Apostle pairs are opposing concepts make for more volatile concepts?

 

[KyngC]

So the apostles come in pairs, the first six Apostles embody complementary concepts while the next six embody opposing concepts. The game itself states that the 1st (Authority) and 2nd (Strength) combined make the power/concept of "Order", arguably the strongest power. I've also seen in this chat thread that people mention "Evolution" (3rd/body and 4th/mind combined) as well as "Paradox" (9th/Truth and 10th/Fantasy combined).

My questions are:
-Are Evolution and Paradox legit names/concepts or are they fan-made?
-What are the combined names for 5/6, 7/8, 11/12?
-Are the supposedly six Arbitors related to these six combined concepts/powers or are they a completely different subject altogether?

-(This one is more food for thought) Does the fact that the last 6 Apostle pairs are opposing concepts make for more volatile concepts?

1. They are most likely canon.
2. 5/6 is infinity, 7/8 is soul, and 11/12 is chaos
3. Most likely
4. This is a unconfirmed but the first Aribter being named Order and the last being Chaos, leads credence to this theory so maybe.

 

[TheShelly]

So the apostles come in pairs, the first six Apostles embody complementary concepts while the next six embody opposing concepts. The game itself states that the 1st (Authority) and 2nd (Strength) combined make the power/concept of "Order", arguably the strongest power. I've also seen in this chat thread that people mention "Evolution" (3rd/body and 4th/mind combined) as well as "Paradox" (9th/Truth and 10th/Fantasy combined).

My questions are:
-Are Evolution and Paradox legit names/concepts or are they fan-made?
-What are the combined names for 5/6, 7/8, 11/12?
-Are the supposedly six Arbitors related to these six combined concepts/powers or are they a completely different subject altogether?

-(This one is more food for thought) Does the fact that the last 6 Apostle pairs are opposing concepts make for more volatile concepts?

The names of the Arbiters are regarded as pretty much canon, since they all appear ingame. If you go back to the Dream Paths sections, you will see that the Apostle Pairs always include a random Capitalized word in their statements when referring to themselves. These words are:

Order - for the 1st and 2nd
Evolution - for the 3rd and 4th
Infinity - for the 5th and 6th
Soul - for the 7th and 8th
Paradox - for the 9th and 10th
Chaos - for the 11th and 12th.

It should also be noted that all the evidence is circumstantial and no real straight answer is expected to be given anytime soon.

 

[OnlineRando]

The names of the Arbiters are regarded as pretty much canon, since they all appear ingame. If you go back to the Dream Paths sections, you will see that the Apostle Pairs always include a random Capitalized word in their statements when referring to themselves. These words are:

Order - for the 1st and 2nd
Evolution - for the 3rd and 4th
Infinity - for the 5th and 6th
Soul - for the 7th and 8th
Paradox - for the 9th and 10th
Chaos - for the 11th and 12th.

It should also be noted that all the evidence is circumstantial and no real straight answer is expected to be given anytime soon.

Circumstantial in a way. However, Order has been around even before the paths of god descriptions, which lends a lot of credence to this theory.

Specifically, since Aglaecwif mentioned Order being the strongest power (and as such, existing), and the exact same word repeating in the paths of god of both the apostle traits she said it is comprised of, AND the fact that there are consistent repeating words in the other apostle pairs which are framed in the same way, means this is definitely deliberate.

And, since these repeating words are framed in the same way as an existing power, it's pretty safe to assume they exist as powers themselves.

 

[Zolrazz]

I really hope that Weird doesn't do as many authors do and throw Eye aside after this

Even if it's not much, I hope that we'll meet Eye in the future so that we can answer some of our questions and confirm other things. After that, any kind of worry or fear has greatly diminished, an ally? Maybe

An enemy? Very difficult to happen, he literally became a persona: I am thou, thou art I

 

[Dinoflaggelate]

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I really hope that Weird doesn't do as many authors do and throw Eye aside after this

Even if it's not much, I hope that we'll meet Eye in the future so that we can answer some of our questions and confirm other things. After that, any kind of worry or fear has greatly diminished, an ally? Maybe

An enemy? Very difficult to happen, he literally became a persona: I am thou, thou art I

We'll probably see it again when the MC evolves to level 4. It's showed up the last two times he evolved. And it said that it gets more coherent with every evolution of the MC's, so it should be able to answer some questions about what it is next time.

 

[lorkdubo]

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I really hope that Weird doesn't do as many authors do and throw Eye aside after this

Even if it's not much, I hope that we'll meet Eye in the future so that we can answer some of our questions and confirm other things. After that, any kind of worry or fear has greatly diminished, an ally? Maybe

An enemy? Very difficult to happen, he literally became a persona: I am thou, thou art I

His level is way above the people right now. I bet he will become relevant in the late part of the story

 

[RabbidSupreme]

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I really hope that Weird doesn't do as many authors do and throw Eye aside after this

Even if it's not much, I hope that we'll meet Eye in the future so that we can answer some of our questions and confirm other things. After that, any kind of worry or fear has greatly diminished, an ally? Maybe

An enemy? Very difficult to happen, he literally became a persona: I am thou, thou art I

We don't have to worry about that, the eye has always been relevant and the fact that it's first thing we see after getting all our memories back means it's all the more so. It said that it needs more evolutions to get it's mind back and MC will more than likely evolve again soon

 

[Ddlc]

It's possible, thought I believe the leading theory on what makes Henri is different is that he's the natural genetic chimera that Tanos mentions having met. His own twin, so he catalyzed his evolution and evolved super fast, and two separate cell lines for two separate genetic affinities. But we don't have any deeper evidence on that, it's just an interesting coincidence at this point, so it could be that Henri is the offspring of an alien god. Ella says that the alien gods have appeared recently, which might contradict them being the Great Lord's source of power, but what is "recent' to a god? They're immortal beings, what's recent to them could be millions of years to us.

Someone I think is a very good candidate for being descended from an alien god is Deus. A consistent theme with Deus is that there's something wrong with his powers. He has constant visions and nightmares about the existential scope of the cosmos. Valravn finds him intrinsically disgusting and frightening (and remember what Ella called the alien gods? "Parasites". The Lord of Dark hates parasites). The Eye has trouble figuring out if Deus is even a superhuman at all, and calls him an aberration. And, the thing that has started so many arguments about Deus, he has clear time-related powers but claims not be linked to the Time. What if it's a different god of time that he's descended from? It's entirely possible there's something else wrong about Deus, but it is an interesting pattern.

If Henri is a genetic chimera, then that's the explanation for having two completely different sets of powers (Truth, Fantasy).
On Mc's case, he was both infected by Body/Memory directly, and has a great compatibility with both, thus being a good candidate for Evolution. So maybe it's not just interesting coincidence in the long run in Henri's case, but rather the explanation for why he is arbiter material.
I agree with the general idea however, we are indeed basically grasping with the amount of information we have at the moment.

 

[KingAgamemnon]

You know I didn't really think about it, but if Henri is a genetic chimera, that makes him rather similar to Liz and Amber. It also means that Henri has that "twin boost" Tanos was so obsessed over.

 

[Ddlc]

You know I didn't really think about it, but if Henri is a genetic chimera, that makes him rather similar to Liz and Amber. It also means that Henri has that "twin boost" Tanos was so obsessed over.

That being an explanation as to why he evolved so fast, the moon twins were super fast too. (even if a week from 1 to 5 like Henri is pretty crazy).

 

[Dinoflaggelate]

You know I didn't really think about it, but if Henri is a genetic chimera, that makes him rather similar to Liz and Amber. It also means that Henri has that "twin boost" Tanos was so obsessed over.

Indeed. Tanos actually tells Liz that his research on twins was inspired by a genetic chimera superhuman that his father had access to. It could be someone else in H.E.R.O. that we haven't met yet, but Henri seems the most likely of all the characters we have.

 

[AnonymousMouse]

I'm like 95% sure Tanos is talking about Henri as the chimeric twin 4% Deus 1% some random we haven't met yet. The only thing that gives me pause on it being Henri is when Tanos says "you wouldn't be able to tell from looking at him, but truly, he was one of the most remarkable specimens I'd ever seen." Henri is many things but normal looking isn't one of them. Deus on the other hand gets mistaken for a regular human by the eye so he fits that little description better and theres clearly something unique about Deus too... but thats about as far as it goes. Nothing else about him makes sense for it so Henri still seems like a much better match, especially since it gives us the best explanation so far for how he got to level 5 so quick if his evolutions double. Tanos also describes the twin as a "Superhuman unlike any other" which fits much better with Henri too since Deus has Zack as someone like him (on the surface anyway) Tanos probably just meant you can't tell he's a chimeric twin by looking at him, which you can't, but god knows how you would tell that anyway lol

 

[One_Black_Sun]

I'm like 95% sure Tanos is talking about Henri as the chimeric twin 4% Deus 1% some random we haven't met yet. The only thing that gives me pause on it being Henri is when Tanos says "you wouldn't be able to tell from looking at him, but truly, he was one of the most remarkable specimens I'd ever seen." Henri is many things but normal looking isn't one of them. Deus on the other hand gets mistaken for a regular human by the eye so he fits that little description better and theres clearly something unique about Deus too... but thats about as far as it goes. Nothing else about him makes sense for it so Henri still seems like a much better match, especially since it gives us the best explanation so far for how he got to level 5 so quick if his evolutions double. Tanos also describes the twin as a "Superhuman unlike any other" which fits much better with Henri too since Deus has Zack as someone like him (on the surface anyway) Tanos probably just meant you can't tell he's a chimeric twin by looking at him, which you can't, but god knows how you would tell that anyway lol

The "you wouldn't be able to tell from looking at him" could be that Henri looks like a crackhead clown that might smell like a clown's septic tank. In other words, he doesn't look dangerous in the Superhuman sense.

 

[OnlineRando]

You know I didn't really think about it, but if Henri is a genetic chimera, that makes him rather similar to Liz and Amber. It also means that Henri has that "twin boost" Tanos was so obsessed over.

Yep. Presumably, evolving once counted as both him and his twin evolving, and since they're both one, that boosted him four levels instantly.

 

[jjtom000]

Give the game a re-read really put a ton of things onto perspective, now I'm far more curious about various things, one of the most relevants being Henri more now than before, I didn't really remembered being mentioned bout him having jumped from level 1 straight to 5 on one night, no wonder the poor guy look so traumatized, that must have been a wild ride.

Keeping the topic on him though, a ton of people(me included) think about the theory of him being 'Paradox' on the same manner than MC is Evolution as a fact, but, how would that even happened?, I mean, the MC was converted by the third and the fourth personally, the direct "offspring" of Evolution, but I dobut Henri was converted by Fantasy/Truth on the same manner, and I can't really think on a monster born of those two paths naturally being the Sire, since according to Syla, the last six apostles don't mesh well, of course, is also possible that Henri was simply born(as a human) with Paradox already dormant inside him, and being converted by a random monster simply awaken that, while not actually inheriting anything of his direct Monster Parent.
But I don't know, after Ella's mention of a type of Gods that are basically 'Aliens' that come from other realms/universes(a category that we haven't seen represented so far since Arbiters/Apostles are more likely on the category before Universe creation) I'm thinking that Henri might be just that, a spawn of an "Alien Deity" totally outside the lineage of Arbiters/Apostles, instead of Paradox, that would explain why the Great King of the alternate humans despite embrace it's power still lost to the Second, being the spawn/reincarnation of an Outer being make you cracked as fuck, but not exactly a top dog like being an Arbiter born anew, what do you people think?, I'm onto something or Henri being paradox is simply the truth?

Henri evolved 4 times in as many nights, so he evolved to lvl5 in 4 days, not one night. Also, you don't need to get infected by both the parents to get the split trait(on a side note, it was never shown that MC was infected by both 3rd and 4th), since Jake was only infected by 1st, but he still had the potential to inherit Order.