VN Ren'Py Superhuman [v0.99999b] [WeirdWorld]

[KingAgamemnon]

Two more days until end of March. Shouldn't be too much longer now.

 

[DecadentDesires]

Suffice it to say, Ella's fast af

Certainly, she is. I did not doubt that. I remember her running from Nico. She even shapeshifted into some demon looking thing at one point. I just didn't think they were lightspeed.

Zach probably can't move nearly as fast as her, but I think his time loop ability will be just enough to get him to last until a no contest declaration in a fight against Nico.

 

[OnlineRando]

Two more days until end of March. Shouldn't be too much longer now.

 

[OnlineRando]

Certainly, she is. I did not doubt that. I remember her running from Nico. She even shapeshifted into some demon looking thing at one point. I just didn't think they were lightspeed.

Zach probably can't move nearly as fast as her, but I think his time loop ability will be just enough to get him to last until a no contest declaration in a fight against Nico.

Mayhaps.

 

[DecadentDesires]

i mean if she does follow through she would be way smarter to subtly make him weaker by teaching him how to do it but making it to where he has to consume most of his power to do so, so that way he thinks she's still on their side but she's really not.

Likely won't be an option for her with a smart MC who hasn't fallen for her temptress seduction. We seem to be heading to the fork in the road where MC has to either decide to work with Ella and use SIN, work with HERO, or appear to do either of the former options while actually working for himself. He's currently too weak in power, knowledge, and resources to go rogue intelligently when he gets back to Earth, but he can start laying the foundations for his own independent movement while appearing to work for either groups.

If MC lets Ella trick him like that this late in the game, he deserves whatever fate befalls him.

 

[PerpetuallyAmiss]

We don't know if the requirements are trials or whether they gave them any benefit beside letting them naturally evo to lvl5.
Actually it was said that even completing the requirements doesn't guarantee you can naturally evo to lvl5.

Ella got her magic eye's from her trials I'm pretty sure, and she did that obviously before level 5.

 

[DecadentDesires]

I'm still waiting for the shoe to drop that Ella lost on purpose/intentionally drew out the fight so that Nyx would show up, so that moment wasn't as cathartic for me

MC is gonna have to be the one to put her in her place and even then she's probably gonna be so smug about it anyway

My problem with this is that this move seems so risky, but risky is right up Ella's alley. They could've just destroyed body afterwards.

Lisa might put her in her place too(though,being a nymph probably negatively affects her training regimen and mindset), or a Chosen will, if not MC.

 

[BubbaJubbs]

I just recently replayed this VN a few months ago and I gotta say dealing with Jake appeared alot easier than I remembered my first playthrough. Dude really wasn't cut out for combat. A Memory Fixed MC would've wiped the floor with him.

I don't even think it's his powers that make him shit at combat, just his nature. He was a major pushover his entire life prior to becoming a superhuman and even after he was pretty reluctant to utilize them in any meaningful way (until Ella's manipulation at least). Mc, meanwhile, grew up not taking shit from others and being more than willing to throw down despite his below average stature. He also didn't hesitate much to begin utilizing his abilities after becoming a superhuman.

 

[BenoTF25]

Without Apostle or Eye help, purposeful or accidental, he won't. Or at least I wouldn't write it like that unless WW plans on making everyone who isn't at least an Apostle, Alien God, or a Chosen who can incarnate(Valrav'n, Indra, Glae, Eis, Aos is doubtful) level appear weak. It would ruin H.E.R.O as a potential threat to a corrupt path MC if he caught up to them too quickly. Only threats then would be monster or extrauniversal or extraplanal sourced. Unless he plans on ending the game while MC is still level 4. Hmm...

Even if the MC would be like Malik, Bernhardt and Henri, that wouldn't mean he could solo Hero, at all, since he would just be on the level of the big three individually as a level 5, and that surely wouldn't cut it to take the whole organization even if Malik and Berni somewhat have a Shonen-Protag mentality of 'Let's fight 1vs1'

We know as a fact that the big three as level four were stronger than Elijah and Kira in level 5 already

 

[Dinoflaggelate]

Ella got her magic eye's from her trials I'm pretty sure, and she did that obviously before level 5.

I think that's what the massacre was supposed to do. Right before Ella starts the massacre, she says:

Our eyes... are still blind... w-w-we must feed... s-s-so that we can see.

O-O-Only then, can she begin her s-s-search.

M-M-Memories v-v-visible. The O-O-One...

Either Ella didn't screw up enough by refusing to kill Christie to prevent her from getting the special eyes, or she did but did another ritual that finished the job.

 

[DecadentDesires]

I don't even think it's his powers that make him shit at combat, just his nature. He was a major pushover his entire life prior to becoming a superhuman and even after he was pretty reluctant to utilize them in any meaningful way (until Ella's manipulation at least). Mc, meanwhile, grew up not taking shit from others and being more than willing to throw down despite his below average stature. He also didn't hesitate much to begin utilizing his abilities after becoming a superhuman.

If I remember correctly tho him being of his nature is exactly why Authority chose him as her Chosen. I would imagine that anyone that docile in nature would probably have issues in physical confrontations;therefore, I would state that all of Authority's Chosen are fated to be at least somewhat deficient in fights. Granted, I believe that Jake was a special shit fighter case. An outlier. Ella even said that his power being so mental focused was weird and she knew his Apostle parent.

Authority herself probably sits in the bottom third with Creation and Fantasy, in my opinion as the most solo fight deficient Apostles. Memory can at least make their opponents, if weak enough spam miss while they attack back like Syla did with Indra. They can even make you forget your most dangerous techniques.

 

[BenoTF25]

Was Ella's body that broken? Wouldn't that mean that everyone that's managed to land a strike on her was moving at similar speeds at level four?

Duncan and that lieutenant chick hit her. Granted she was playing around with them so that could've just been her taking it easy.

But that would mean that Nyx, Malik, Clark and Alexis can attack at or near lightspeed. I doubt that all of those people(Alexis the most) can do so. She wasn't even level 5 that long. Lightspeed antics seem to be Light's Chosen, Big Three, and Ancient Chosen level antics at least. Clark is fast as fuck. Clark's faster than Ella certainly and Nico talks about him, like she can beat him. Nico's portals aren't that fast.

Malik attacking at light speed don't really sound that crazy, I mean the fucker already has a teased attack that would completely violate the physical laws of the universe in the form of the Planck Heat, but yeah, he would probably need to concentrate and put all of himself on it, against Ella he was going fairly relaxed.

About the chosen of light being the only one with LS, that wouldn't need to be true, Michael's energy beams are fast, faster than lightning at least, yet Met dodged it, meaning that him, as a Superhuman with Lightning powers is faster than the natural element, I can totally see the light Apostle or it's spawn on upper levels being faster than natural light as well, especially since Agle mentioned that only the Light and Ether apostle would reach the Monster Dimension traveling using motion without taking an eternity, so it must be on the farthest corner of the universe, and light, natural light on the great scheme of things wouldn't really be that fast

 

[DecadentDesires]

Even if the MC would be like Malik, Bernhardt and Henri, that wouldn't mean he could solo Hero, at all, since he would just be on the level of the big three individually as a level 5, and that surely wouldn't cut it to take the whole organization even if Malik and Berni somewhat have a Shonen-Protag mentality of 'Let's fight 1vs1'

We know as a fact that the big three as level four were stronger than Elijah and Kira in level 5 already

Agreed, I'm just stating that I wouldn't write it that way. I'm not disagreeing with what you are saying being a possibility. I think, granted you can take it too far, but for the most part, "The longer and bigger the Big Three are as threats, the more content you can write."


With that said, you don't want to get into milking territory like Walking Dead or my old love One Piece. To see Superhuman walk the dreaded milking path with plot content(milk erotic content forever fuck yea) would be a tragedy. I think there's three type plot writing options for writing good enough to even pay attention to depending on any particular audience member's viewpoint: Rushing things, Doing things just right, and milking.

Hitting the middle sweet spot for a majority consensus of your total audience is rare and hard but worth the attempt.

My personal view is that what you are describing would be trivialize the MC competing and fighting against Lieutenant HERO level threats during this arc and I would categorize that as rushing, but you and anyone else are certainly free to disagree!

I liked watching MC go from fighting a group of armed humans in a diner, to fighting a weak monsterfied human like Kenny, to fighting a weak monster or monsters, to fighting same level superhumans like Oscar or Klaus, to fighting against a stronger superhuman like roided Klaus, to fighting much stronger monster or monsters to eventually fighting Lieutenants, Chosen, Captains, Apostles, Extrauniversal threats and maybe, just maybe an Arbiter.


I want to see him be compared to, compete with and fight against Lieutenants of all their varying powerlevels.

I'm not judging your wants or desires. I'm just stating that mines are different unless you are suggesting that MC catches up to the Big Three towards the end of his level four progression, in which case, I would have much less of a problem. I'm sorry if that's the case. I thought you meant stronger than them fresh off their fourth evo

I'm gonna laugh my ass off if I misunderstood you.

 

[DecadentDesires]

Malik attacking at light speed don't really sound that crazy, I mean the fucker already has a teased attack that would completely violate the physical laws of the universe in the form of the Planck Heat, but yeah, he would probably need to concentrate and put all of himself on it, against Ella he was going fairly relaxed.

About the chosen of light being the only one with LS, that wouldn't need to be true, Michael's energy beams are fast, faster than lightning at least, yet Met dodged it, meaning that him, as a Superhuman with Lightning powers is faster than the natural element, I can totally see the light Apostle or it's spawn on upper levels being faster than natural light as well, especially since Agle mentioned that only the Light and Ether apostle would reach the Monster Dimension traveling using motion without taking an eternity, so it must be on the farthest corner of the universe, and light, natural light on the great scheme of things wouldn't really be that fast

I don't think I ever suggested that only Light's Chosen can move that fast. I may have suggested and will suggest now that the only baby level 5s that can is a Light Chosen or a Lesser Spawn with Super Speed as their ability. Ella, Nico, Clark and Alexis are baby level fives. Nyx is too, but she's been improving her monster power for decades as level four. She's way above all none Captain superhumans outside of Henri.

Malik, Henri, Gunvald, and Zach moving that fast wouldn't surprise me at all. They've had decades of power development time and potentially decades of power body propulsion experimentation time.

 

[Saiyajin2205]

Malik attacking at light speed don't really sound that crazy, I mean the fucker already has a teased attack that would completely violate the physical laws of the universe in the form of the Planck Heat, but yeah, he would probably need to concentrate and put all of himself on it, against Ella he was going fairly relaxed.

About the chosen of light being the only one with LS, that wouldn't need to be true, Michael's energy beams are fast, faster than lightning at least, yet Met dodged it, meaning that him, as a Superhuman with Lightning powers is faster than the natural element, I can totally see the light Apostle or it's spawn on upper levels being faster than natural light as well, especially since Agle mentioned that only the Light and Ether apostle would reach the Monster Dimension traveling using motion without taking an eternity, so it must be on the farthest corner of the universe, and light, natural light on the great scheme of things wouldn't really be that fast

Nyx already has light speed reaction/reflexes at the very least she caught tiffany during her light form very easily during Tiffany's evolution.So big three and even other strong level 5 might not have light speed for travel but they surely do for combat .

 

[DecadentDesires]

who said as a female?

I was with everything you said as future sex options with Jared but nah I definitely want him as a female.

Fucking Jess in front of Jared, getting him erect before fucking her in the "insert most dominating and Jared humiliating way" and refusing to allow him to cum before "insert finishing with Jess in the most dominating and Jared humiliating way" before Gender Bending Jared into a Hot Blue Eyed Blonde(not enough of those in this game) who loses his erection but becomes aroused. Who we now tease until the point of begging to suck us off to lubricate us properly before fucking them in "insert in the most dominating and humiliating way" in the anus first before we begged to move to his newly formed pussy and then "fucked in the most dominating and humiliating way" all in front of a cognizant Jess until he agrees to being our new sexsubcum slave, get finished on or in "in the most dominating and humiliating way"and gets collared right in front of his sex subby exgirlfriend makes my blood boil in all the right ways.

Complete domination over a former enemy and his former lover all at once while remaining(straightish, I don't know. They're a girl now biologically.)

In meaner word terms: Bitching a former so-called Alpha Male in front of his bitch and making them sister bitches while remaining straight.


AHHHH THE EROTICISM POTENTIAL GLORIOUS I SAY GLORIOUS.

You just have to bring your new puppy on a leash to visit their Daddy. They should see what their progeny was meant to be. He would be so proud! With similiar art or dimisimiliar but erotic enough art and writing, someone could make a Azienda/Hangover Cat fanfiction spinoff of Jess, Jared, and MC's Dynamic alone with guest appearances by : Alice and Poison Dude, Liz and College Dude. NTR fansespecially NTR/Trap, NTR/Gay and NTR/Gender-Bender would eat that shit up! Spend good on subscriptions too.

Despite what I just wrote I'm neutral towards NTR. That neutrality goes down when I don't like "cuck" in question to pleasurable. I do not like Jared or Poison guy!

 

[DecadentDesires]

I agree. Good narrative tension is built on expectation, on having ideas of how the story could go that are either validated or subverted. If anything can happen, then you can't have that expectation.

This person seems to know creative writing. The ideology behind your statement is perhaps the biggest contributing factor as to why the The Penguin was such a critical and commercial success last fall on HBO.

 

[DecadentDesires]

Being OP is one part of it, but it's the lack of identity that's the big issue which is why I think it's a bad idea when people hope the MC will be able to copy powers, because at that point they will lose their identity, they lose a recognisable way of fighting, it just becomes whatever.

Great points. Totally agreed.

 

[DecadentDesires]

Also his warning about evolutions is crazy, him going to level 5 in a week is totaly new info to me.

Played twice. Still missed that. You've made me feel good that you've played five times and just caught it. I thought I was a moron.

 

[DecadentDesires]

Honestly, maybe it's my lack of imagination speaking, but how do you even write a fight that isn't a one shot featuring Henri ?
It's hard to imagine, I mean Sylla's dream environment allowed the developer to write a very entertaining fight where her unique powers are on display, but writing a fight where someone like Henri, with reality bending, overpowered as hell power seems very hard to imagine to me.

I mean how does someone with abilities based in the physical realm even counter reality bending ?

I imagine his power either have limitations(like, not being able to directly affect living beings) or Henri himself rejecting them make them work badly.

His ability to invoke his will on his opponents is probably dependent on the power differential between him and his target(s), We saw all of the games that Truth's Chosen Eis was able to play with Kira and Elijah but as soon as Daddy Gunvald appeared, she seemed a different fighter.

Her ability to warp the surrounding reality around Bernie to affect him seemed to be dramatically less significant.

I would imagine that Glae couldn't imprison or fool Malik's mind with illusions anywhere near as easily as she were able to with Alexis.

Just like Indra was able to simply "power" through Syla's memory deletion at a certain point during their fight.

It seems...

Trait Advantage or Disadvantage Against Particular Ability*Monster Power*Natural Will*Effort*Knowledge of Said Ability=Time It Takes To Stop or Potentially Reverse Said Ability In One's Vicinity


For each particular will altering, mind altering, power dampening, reality warping, or creation power like Authority, Memory, Darkness, Truth, and Fantasy, this equation probably includes other unlisted variables that vary for each particular ability that affects this proposed equation for that ability

It is probably at least partly due to this that Elijah is confident that Bernie is the strongest being on Earth while having a seemingly close relationship to Henri and knowing of decent depth, his capabilities. Bernie and Malik can probably just straight up ignore Henri's statements. The stronger ones consciously and the weaker ones unconsciously.

We've seen Bernie's aura seemingly ignore Eis' reality warping commands on the environment and himself. His aura seemed to outright ignore commands made by someone of Eis' power level completely.

I think these capabilities come about at level four if you make to that level. It probably comes about later in the fourth evolution compared to traits such as not needing to sleep, eat, drink, breath, or body propulsing.