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Btw I think the same goes for Alice, at first you go : Oh shit Alice is monster now, wow, that's a huge threshold, she left her humanity behind, and then you realize her monster form just has some tattoos, some fangs, larger nails ( or claws whatver ), and some weird energy wings. And ofc noone of those aspects of her transformation matter one bit in the end since she has the ability to change her form to human whenever she wants anyways.
I mean, I get you, Alice being able to just hide her monster form all together take some weight from her transformation, but I don't think she looking as Human-like, just with some extra stuff is all that bad. She's a Daoine Sidhe, a Fairy-like species, and all the members of that species are fairly pleasant to the eye, Aos and Danu being the most obvious examples.
 

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I mean, I get you, Alice being able to just hide her monster form all together take some weight from her transformation, but I don't think she looking as Human-like, just with some extra stuff is all that bad. She's a Daoine Sidhe, a Fairy-like species, and all the members of that species are fairly pleasant to the eye, Aos and Danu being the most obvious examples.
Aside from their teeth. The Daoine Sidhe's teeth are yucky.
 

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Yeah, it's probably not the case yet, because we saw this update that it's possible to heal from the MC's attacks. But maybe it's something the MC will be able to do eventually. High-level Body abilities seem to be much better at using flesh-warping on unwilling targets.
Could be as simple as Briar not having enough power to repair a level 4 body and replace the massive energy drain cole was experiencing. Since superhuman power derives from their own lifeforce when it gets too low its possible that briar as a level 3 couldnt stabilize a much more powerful superhuman
 

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I mean really he wasn't doing either of those things, he was aiming for MC and somehow missed and got a perfect kill-shot on a random person he doesn't even know. MC was also far from defenseless, and in Jared's eyes he looked to be at full health. He was really just trying to cheap shot someone he hated, and failed. Still bad, but id say Cole is worse.
Was it ever said that killing or attempting to kill her was an accident?

You seem intent in defending a character whose depicted as basic asshole without morales, even Weird regrets how he's depicted Jared, failing to give him any nuance. A good character if you want someone to hate, baffling for someone to defend. Even now he's motivated by survival, not regret.

I wasn't making this a Jared vs Cole thing, but as you bring it up, Cole explained to the MC that he had nothing to do with Liz and Amber, at a time when he thought he unstoppable, only reason he would do that is if he had some sort of conscious because he had nothing to gain.
 

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Could be as simple as Briar not having enough power to repair a level 4 body and replace the massive energy drain cole was experiencing. Since superhuman power derives from their own lifeforce when it gets too low its possible that briar as a level 3 couldnt stabilize a much more powerful superhuman
I don't think that's an issue really, Briar healed Ella a lot when she and the wards jumped Valravn, and Ella as a level four during that moment should be far more powerful than a Cole fresh on the same level, but on the verge of death.
 

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I don't think that's an issue really, Briar healed Ella a lot when she and the wards jumped Valravn, and Ella as a level four during that moment should be far more powerful than a Cole fresh on the same level, but on the verge of death.
Briar healed Ella? Why would Ella need healing?
 

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I wasn't making this a Jared vs Cole thing, but as you bring it up, Cole explained to the MC that he had nothing to do with Liz and Amber, at a time when he thought he unstoppable, only reason he would do that is if he had some sort of conscious because he had nothing to gain.
I mean, Cole hate MC, but it could be boil down to a that's that and this is this type situation, Cole's a sociopath who is trigger happy as far we know, has no qualms killing common humans just to make a point, but he's clearly not up for torture(unless is someone he hate a ton, I guess.) when he see the state Liz and Amber were, he was gonna kill them as a sort of mercy, he even tell them two as much, and call Tanos a sick fuck, it makes complete sense that he would explain to MC that he didn't mutilated the Twins even if he planned on killing him.
 

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Because they were fighting against Valravn, a restrained one but far more powerful than the one MC defeated, his Miasma would weaken Ella's body trait.
Doesn't it only weaken non-physical powers like memory and Nico's portals? If his miasma was strong enough to negate a level five Nico's portals, I'd think it'd negate the level 2 MC's too.

I'm not even sure his miasma was weakened.
 

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I wonder, are you the kind of person who would forgive Jake or hate him?
Well I could hate him for being even a bigger derp than the MC but as far as a character... He's basically a puppet on a stick for Ella. Everything he's ever really done bad (cept the twins boobs) is her doing so I think if he could shake her off he'd be a pretty good ally. I'm only on day 59 hoping to break out of prison soon.

Edit: I have Jake +10 right now
 
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Doesn't it only weaken non-physical powers like memory and Nico's portals? If his miasma was strong enough to negate a level five Nico's portals, I'd think it'd negate the level 2 MC's too.
When Rav fights MC in the dream world, he's able to stop him from shape shifting while touching him with his miasma. Plus, its also possible that Briar needed to heal Ella so she could preserve her strength. Valravn is an Indra lvl chosen, so even while nerfed he's still a huge threat.
 
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Was it ever said that killing or attempting to kill her was an accident?
Jared claims it was an accident. That said, the exact interaction is

Deryl threatening Jared said:
Deryl "You murdering cunt, you'll pay for what you just did."
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Jared "Pfft, what? For killing that random bitch? I don't think so. Not that a loser like you, or your loser friends can do anything about it."
Jared "If it makes you feel any better I was aiming for [name], not your little skank."
which, to me, makes Jared come across as a worse person than if he intentionally killed Laurie. If he was aiming for her then at least he would be owning his actions. This is him killing someone he didn't want to kill, but feeling no remorse because he doesn't think it's possible for him to face repercussions for it. That's what makes Jared an asshole, that he doesn't care who he hurts so long as it doesn't impact him.

...granted, that's also true of many of the MC's closest friends, potential lovers, and on some paths even himself. But the MC isn't angry at Jared for any philosophical stance, he's angry because he killed (or badly injured, if you save her) a friend of his. So his hypocrisy can be somewhat ignored.
 

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When Rav fights MC in the dream world, he's able to stop him from shape shifting while touching him with his miasma. Plus, its also possible that Briar needed to heal Ella so she could preserve her strength. Valravn is an Indra lvl chosen, so even while nerfed he's still a huge threat.
I just don't think Briar healed Ella. I don't remember it being said anywhere that he did, and it'd be weird for her to need that in the first place.

I rechecked the fight, and it is mentioned that MC can't transform because of Valravn's miasma being close, but in that situation Briar wouldn't be able to heal Ella either. In fact, seeing as his power is less physical than hers, it would likely work even worse.
 

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I just don't think Briar healed Ella. I don't remember it being said anywhere that he did, and it'd be weird for her to need that in the first place.
Briar talks about the Valravn fight during the S.I.N infiltration, when you ask him about him being friends with monsters. he mentions how Charlie and Zara's powers didn't work on him and that he had to use more of his power than he ever has. He then says "Even big sis needed me". So yeah, Valravn was beating tf out of them to the point a lvl 4 Ella needed healing.
 

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Briar talks about the Valravn fight during the S.I.N infiltration, when you ask him about him being friends with monsters. he mentions how Charlie and Zara's powers didn't work on him and that he had to use more of his power than he ever has. He then says "Even big sis needed me". So yeah, Valravn was beating tf out of them to the point a lvl 4 Ella needed healing.
do we actually know why they fought him in the first place?
 

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Briar talks about the Valravn fight during the S.I.N infiltration, when you ask him about him being friends with monsters. he mentions how Charlie and Zara's powers didn't work on him and that he had to use more of his power than he ever has. He then says "Even big sis needed me". So yeah, Valravn was beating tf out of them to the point a lvl 4 Ella needed healing.
Also, Charlie or one them might've mentioned it in an earlier scene as well. During the interview or with Monster Deryl before the Battle of Diamonds.

do we actually know why they fought him in the first place?
They wanted his heart for the ritual. Ella actually got lucky they sneak attacked him and made him lose his heart. If he was at full power, she would've been killed like the previous 3rd Chosen. Since his heart is what allows him to use his armor and such.
 
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