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Chris20

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Ah yes, the intro where it makes you feel like you are strong, only for your enemy to get a sudden boost, often from evolution. Which had happend for both the klaus and the deryl fights before this.
If WW is consistent with the plot, the MC will become an unkillable life form, Ella already said we are the perfect superhuman for adaptation. Besides, since we got to earth the MC has been consistently kicking asses, the last boss was that cult leader we manage to defeat.
 

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If WW is consistent with the plot, the MC will become an unkillable life form, Ella already said we are the perfect superhuman for adaptation. Besides, since we got to earth the MC has been consistently kicking asses, the last boss was that cult leader we manage to defeat.
Again, i hope that is true. Its not the first 10/10 game in a fist fight with its plot, and i truly love this one. WW even mentioned NERFS to the MC (separating the mind and body powers), which scares me even more. A shapeshifter in a world of walking nukes and galaxy explorers, getting an even weaker start?
 

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Again, i hope that is true. Its not the first 10/10 game in a fist fight with its plot, and i truly love this one. WW even mentioned NERFS to the MC (separating the mind and body powers), which scares me even more. A shapeshifter in a world of walking nukes and galaxy explorers, getting an even weaker start?
I don't know why people so against the MC being weak. The weaker he is, the bigger the world feels. It just makes it that much more interesting if he's up against things that he clearly can't overcome no matter plot conveniance. It also makes every one of his powerups feel that much more rewarding and the struggle that comes with it.

Compare that to a generic LN manga where the MC steamrolls from day 1 and there's no tension.

I'm glad the MC didn't evolve in the monster world. He needs to take some serious L's before his next evolution. Given he has shapeshifting and memory abilities, there's still so much that can be done with his powers
 

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This is a strawman. Don't try to bait with bad-faith arguments.
Is this a joke?
If the characters themselves don't care, how do we the readers, possibly feel any sense of apprehension or dread over their circumstances?
Are you not implying that you don't care about their circumstances? Do you not understand how your words will be interpreted, or are you the one being bad faith?
If it's the former, I suggest trying not to make accusations of bad faith when people misunderstand you because the problem is your poor phrasing and ambiguous meaning, not others being uncharitable or disingenuous.

My post literally says "Liz was far too passive and stoic as a heroine for this arc". Which is true. She's emotionally stunted.
Tell me where liz's romance went with the MC during this arc? You can't because it didn't develop at all.
And we already knew about her "love and care for her sister". You do realize we, the readers already went through an arc centered around liz and amber, and how Liz would literally leave college and follow Amber anywhere she goes just because she wants to be with her, and is utterly uninterested in her own life's circumstances? We went through the SIN infiltration arc which already touched on all of this.

We the readers already KNOW all of this. We know the twins love each other. You can make the argument that you enjoyed the content, but my post isn't about that. My post is about how it would have been better if we saw other characters get development and screentime, aka Tiffany and Claudia. As we hardly know anything about these two.
It's funny that you accuse me of a strawman and then immediately construct one.
My post is about your interpretation of Liz and Amber, not whether it would be better if Tiffany and Claudia went to the monster world instead of Liz and Amber.
 

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Again, i hope that is true. Its not the first 10/10 game in a fist fight with its plot, and i truly love this one. WW even mentioned NERFS to the MC (separating the mind and body powers), which scares me even more. A shapeshifter in a world of walking nukes and galaxy explorers, getting an even weaker start?
Eh, I used to think like you until very recently, these past few months, checking his streams when I can and reading his new novel. He has said multiple times on streams that he likes power fantasies, when the MC feels like he earned everything and goes step by step, not starting OP. I am confident after hearing his explanations that MC will be one of the strongest by the end. Also, he is not separating mind and body powers. MC will still have both; he is just distinguishing them and what they can do now. MC will become what everyone expects. I expect him to suffer so much until then, though, because that's WW style.
 

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I don't know why people so against the MC being weak. The weaker he is, the bigger the world feels. It just makes it that much more interesting if he's up against things that he clearly can't overcome no matter plot conveniance. It also makes every one of his powerups feel that much more rewarding and the struggle that comes with it.

Compare that to a generic LN manga where the MC steamrolls from day 1 and there's no tension.

I'm glad the MC didn't evolve in the monster world. He needs to take some serious L's before his next evolution. Given he has shapeshifting and memory abilities, there's still so much that can be done with his powers
He has taken so, so, so many Ls already, and i am not even talking about battles. He was mind wiped by his soon to be murdered mom, lied to by his negligent father, used and turned by ella, tortured endlessly in many different fights that literally tore him limb from limb, mind controlled by someone he barely knew (who was trying to rape his friends), thrown in prison with serial killers and loses his other mind controlled friend, kidnapped by a secret society of facistic eugenicists (putting experimental drugs in the water) who literally force him to do their bidding to facilitate their genetic superiority (thats literally how xanthe feels), kidnapped again by another secret society while his friends were literally torn to pieces by a mad scientist, was forced into another more evil world (somehow) where he is again threatened with the loss of his family and the stress of almost losing his friends, only to return to a wartorn world invaded by demons with a cult to boot. All the while he loses every other fight without someone or other helping him. Dude has been abused more then 99% of characters on this site (which is saying something), he can afford to be given a bone without it seeming like charity. Hopefully one that isnt solely tied to him getting laid.
 

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Are you not implying that you don't care about their circumstances?
You are missing the point.
I am referring to the group's immediate circumstances in the monster world, and how someone like Claudia would have portrayed the tension and circumstances better as a character than Liz. Because Liz wasn't fazed about being sent there.

Take the Valravn battle as an example. WW used Brianna's and the police's characterisation to convey tension, therefore upping the stakes and making the readers care about the situation.

In the monster world arc there was nobody there to convey their predicament but the 7 of them. Thus it falls on the 7 of them to create tension by expressing their emotions. Ella doll was scared shitless by the circumstances. Which was fun to read. This is what I mean by characterisation or lack of it in this instance which kills tension.

If it's the former, I suggest trying not to make accusations of bad faith when people misunderstand you because the problem is your poor phrasing and ambiguous meaning, not others being uncharitable or disingenuous.
Completely pointless statement. what is the premise here? That you wish my comment meant something different in order to avoid being wrong?

It's funny that you accuse me of a strawman and then immediately construct one.
My post is about your interpretation of Liz and Amber, not whether it would be better if Tiffany and Claudia went to the monster world instead of Liz and Amber.
What are you talking about? It was just a rhetorical question for effect. I never claimed you stated that.

You just attacked one small part of my post, which was irrelevant to the main point, instead of reading what I wrote.
 

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I believe I had read this same comment somewhere in this thread before, but the writer should have had Tiffany and Claudia in the monster world arc instead of Amber and Liz.

Essentially, Liz and Ambers change into superhumans felt forced for plot convenience to bring them into the fray. Which is disappointing considering we already had two characters, Claudia and Tiffany that were FAR closer to the action than either Amber or Liz were. Characters that haven't had enough development compared to how frequently they appeared at the start of the game.
Tiffany already wanted to become a superhuman way back in the Valravn arc?


Adding to this, Liz was far too passive and stoic as a heroine for this arc and her story as a love interest didn't really go anywhere. Her entire characterisation amounted to "yeah, ok" "whatever", after being thrown into another world with no prospects of getting out. If the characters themselves don't care, how do we the readers, possibly feel any sense of apprehension or dread over their circumstances?
The only time I felt apprehension was at the immediate start of the arc when they had to escape the ocean. After that, things fell into a sort of lull as nothing posed a threat to the team.
It felt like a trip through Disneyland instead of an "adventure" the arc was supposed to be.

On the other hand Claudia would have been the perfect foil to express these emotions. We know she is emotionally expressive compared to her sister.
All the other characters took everything way too good. Alice was already a repressed killer like michael, and derek is super happygolucky alongside the stoic MC. The only reason amber was scared was because she thought she lost her sister, but apart from that, the character's emotions over the situation were never really explored in depth.

Having Amber and Liz captured by SIN during this entire arc would have been good motivation for the MC to get back to earth and "save the twins". We could have had an interesting internal conflict over getting back to earth as soon as possible, and staying to help find Michael with Alice.
Aside from the entire eclipse thing going on during the arc, something that doesn't concern the MC, there's no real "urgency" to get back as quickly as possible, which was lacking.
A huge amount would have to be rewritten. And Amber and Liz would have had to stay captured during the Cole fight.
I don't remember if it was ever mentioned what Tiffany and Claudia were doing during the MC's SIN infiltration arc?
Interesting post, it actually reminded me of a situation I went through back when my English was weaker and I used to play the game on my phone, which also had a terrible screen. I remember joining the game’s Discord and writing this huge comment about how I thought the HERO arc should play out (this was around the time Nico takes them there). In my mind, I genuinely believed my ideas were pretty good.


But to my surprise, people just replied with: “Dude, he already has the whole story in mind.” That really shocked me. Up until then, I thought he was just the kind of author who wrote each update as he went along. But no, he’s actually way more than that. He already has almost everything planned out. Of course, not every detail or execution is set in stone, but still, realizing that gave me an interesting feeling. Honestly, I felt kind of dumb.


From then on, I started replaying the game with a new perspective, paying much closer attention to details, and wow, there are so many details. Thinking back from the very beginning with Ella, the pills, the beings… all of it made sense back then and still makes sense now. That’s when I began to appreciate something very important: authenticity. The feeling of trusting the author’s decisions because he’s already proven his narrative genius. And every time, what he creates ends up being so much better than what I had imagined myself.


With that in mind, I’d say, aside from Jonathan’s excellent point about Liz’s development as a character, there’s something deeper going on with the choices around her and Amber. They’re twins, while Claudia and Tiffany aren’t. That fact alone could mean a lot more than we can currently speculate. The mystery of Amber’s powers, Tanos’ plans, the idea that each Apostle has a twin and together they form a greater force… the notion of twins being the pinnacle of superhuman potential. And now, knowing that Liz and Amber not only are twins but essentially share the same body (reaching a kind of purity like the Arbiters)… what can we expect from them moving forward?


It’s epic. The unpredictability, the scale of it, the fact that I can’t foresee what comes next, it’s phenomenal. So if WW decided to go this route and even throw in a fucking Ella doll, man, I’m all in.


Of course, that doesn’t mean he’s flawless. We’ve seen the whole debate with the MC’s regeneration, and the monster arc itself didn’t quite live up to what it could have been, especially for the MC. Those are valid criticisms. But when it comes to choices like this with Liz and Amber? Believe me it’s for the better.
 
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Finally caught up from the Liz and Amber "Death"

Felt like the story changes dramatically from there. Which makes sense considering where they end up. I like how the group grew closer and Michael opening up (if you choose to). I'm guessing the dev wants them to become a team like how HERO has 5 people (which I recall HERO hasn't made any new teams, probably changed considering the state of the world)

I'd have expected the MC to have more interest or be more knowledgeable of the big 12 after training with Syla. During the fight with the cult leader. I was shaking my head that he didn't put the pieces together that being the chosen of the 1st, means that person has the same powers as Jake. Nothing strange that the person you're fighting starts to act differently mid battle or that your memory powers don't work on them or that you feel a sense of danger chomping the cultists heads off? MC turned into a blockhead like his mom I suppose.

Speaking of his mom, I feel like Memory is the weakest of the paths. Syla is an exception being the 1st born of an entire species (I think?), and what we saw of her, was her giga powered up in the dream world. Plus her body could still shapeshift which is just affirming that Memory is more of a support power. I guess it doesn't matter since Ella managed to make MC start focusing on his Body again (For whatever plans she has)...Kinda expected it to be like "The Fools" power in Lord of the Mysteries


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That's about it. I'll make a review for the arcs
 
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Tbh, I can see where the recurring complaints about the MC being underpowered are coming from, people are getting nervous because WW seems to keep hammering in that this is the last and final arc and the MC is still a lowly level 3. Personally I'm of the opinion that there has to be a sequel, so I'm not that pressed about it but if this is truly where it ends, then MC's only options in terms of growth would be:

a) The mother of all plot devices to shoot him to the top of the food chain in time span that's not even 1% of the total amount of time spent as a superhuman, which would be unsatisfying as fuck.

b) He doesn't get to the top, he makes some small impact and saves his personal circle of friends from some middle of the food chain monsters, while the real heavy hitters like Bernhardt and Henri actually wrap up the threats like Indra who are far out of our strike range, which would cuck us out of our own story/revenge arc and validate this game's NTR tag harder than anything that happened with Liz.

c) We straight up lose. Done. Humanity's gone. This one would be comedy gold, ngl, but I can't imagine it being a very popular decision.
 

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I remember joining the game’s Discord and writing this huge comment about how I thought the HERO arc should play out
...your first mistake was going to any game's official Discord and writing an opinion that isn't blind praise.
Unless you're joining the circlejerk, they don't want to hear it.


Honestly, I felt kind of dumb.
So you folded? Should have posted those opinions here on a free discussion forum.

Anyway, my opinions on the current story are valid as I don't have some sort of crystal ball to predict how the future will play out. Otherwise, you can simply say any negative review for any "in development" game is invalid, because "dw bro the writer has it planned out".
 
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Xanthe already told the protag that when they reach level 4 they should use the drug and shoot up to level 5.

Would that have consequences? I don't think so. After all Ella had to use the drug to reach level 5.

But I agree it'd be underwhelming af if that ends up happening.
 

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I'm glad the MC didn't evolve in the monster world. He needs to take some serious L's before his next evolution. Given he has shapeshifting and memory abilities, there's still so much that can be done with his powers
Well, despite my previus comments, i really wanted him to evolve in the monster wolrd, it would be logical since he was in the monster world, he is not the first superhuman in evolve in record time by surviving deadly situations. However, it seems the plot is not yet there for that to happen, plus being a level 4 will be a pivotal point for him and everything in the context of the story.
Besides, something big will happen in ¨Seven days¨, said in one of those weird dream that the MC have.
 

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Completely pointless statement. what is the premise here? That you wish my comment meant something different in order to avoid being wrong?
Are you retarded? The point is that you accuse me of being bad faith right out of the gate when the problem isn't me being disingenuous, but you poorly communicating your meaning.

What are you talking about? It was just a rhetorical question for effect. I never claimed you stated that.

You just attacked one small part of my post, which was irrelevant to the main point, instead of reading what I wrote.
And yet you prattle on about how Claudia and Tiffany would be better as if that's at all relevant to anything I said.

At this point it's clear your just an idiot with a superiority complex. What a waste of my time.
 
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You can say that about Alice's random fetch quests just as much about Tiffany's scenes back then. She's the one who ties in HERO to the main plot, introduces the MC to Dexter, which then gives him his standing in HERO. She was an important character.
Your talking in hindsight as you know how it all played out and the direction WW took the story. But for anyone who played through the game during each release in 2021 they could have easily thought that Tiffany would become a major love interest just as much as Alice was before her arc.



"Literally the only midly interesting thing about Liz is the fact that she's a lazy genius, apart from that shes a blank plank of wood" You can do this for any character. So fucking disingenuous.

My entire point was that if you don't input these characters into the story for major arc's, they're not going to be developed. Given that WW wants to give them top-tier powers and even teased the readers with a dream sequence of the MC marrying Claudia as if she was a love interest, they need plot development. The chance for this was the MW arc.


Seems like it's you who is emotionally invested into certain heroines and can't think rationally.
Woah woah hold on a second, you say :
'' She's the one who ties in HERO to the main plot, introduces the MC to Dexter, which then gives him his standing in HERO''.
Are you joking ? Tiffany had zero involvement regarding the Mc's standing in HERO, you are really exaggerating here.
I already said, if you make Tiffany never meet the Mc. The Mc will still attend the frat house party, he will still save those people, he still gets recorded, he still goes on to become a infamous vigilante, and once he gains enough notoriety Dexter and Xanthe will still go forward with their plan to make him a representative once they consider his popularity and media and government attention on him.

The only thing gained from his involvement with Tiffany is maybe Dexter looking at him more favourably, but that is in no way a big deal.
Like I said, remove Tiffany, and things play out the same way.
 

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He has taken so, so, so many Ls already, and i am not even talking about battles. He was mind wiped by his soon to be murdered mom, lied to by his negligent father, used and turned by ella, tortured endlessly in many different fights that literally tore him limb from limb, mind controlled by someone he barely knew (who was trying to rape his friends), thrown in prison with serial killers and loses his other mind controlled friend, kidnapped by a secret society of facistic eugenicists (putting experimental drugs in the water) who literally force him to do their bidding to facilitate their genetic superiority (thats literally how xanthe feels), kidnapped again by another secret society while his friends were literally torn to pieces by a mad scientist, was forced into another more evil world (somehow) where he is again threatened with the loss of his family and the stress of almost losing his friends, only to return to a wartorn world invaded by demons with a cult to boot. All the while he loses every other fight without someone or other helping him. Dude has been abused more then 99% of characters on this site (which is saying something), he can afford to be given a bone without it seeming like charity. Hopefully one that isnt solely tied to him getting laid.
In absolutely despite the way you uses L's. A writer wouldn't be able to do fuck all with a character, not even One Punch Man would make you happy based on this list, things not always going perfectly for the MC.

Having to join a powerful organisation? Things happening in flashbacks? Falling through a portal? These are L's to you. Bad things will happen to a character to make the story interesting.

The MC performs very well with fights in his ballpark and I think most people are fine with him not yet being a challenge next to those that are godlike or else he would have little room to grow.
 

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Woah woah hold on a second, you say :
'' She's the one who ties in HERO to the main plot, introduces the MC to Dexter, which then gives him his standing in HERO''.
Are you joking ? Tiffany had zero involvement regarding the Mc's standing in HERO, you are really exaggerating here.
I already said, if you make Tiffany never meet the Mc. The Mc will still attend the frat house party, he will still save those people, he still gets recorded, he still goes on to become a infamous vigilante, and once he gains enough notoriety Dexter and Xanthe will still go forward with their plan to make him a representative once they consider his popularity and media and government attention on him.

The only thing gained from his involvement with Tiffany is maybe Dexter looking at him more favourably, but that is in no way a big deal.
Like I said, remove Tiffany, and things play out the same way.
I agree, it could even be argued that MC being close to Tiffany makes Dexter distrust MC more lmao as Dexter is aware that tiffany intends to overthrow him (he probably raised her like that and would be disappointed if she doesnt, the milkkens are gaga).

I would argue the MC being Stephen's son has more influence than the MC being a buddy of Tiffany if there is any positive influence at all.

It doesnt matter in the end, Dexter likes the MC as hes useful.
 
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the problem isn't me being disingenuous, but you poorly communicating your meaning.
Nobody else had a problem with my meaning but you. Jonathan Y replied straight to my point. I didn't agree with him, but he still understood what was being discussed.

And yet you prattle on about how Claudia
Me "prattling on" was me trying to steer the conversation back to my original post.

The only thing gained from his involvement with Tiffany is maybe Dexter looking at him more favourably, but that is in no way a big deal.
Like I said, remove Tiffany, and things play out the same way.
In terms of the storyline and how it played out saying that is true, but Tiffany was a much bigger character at the start of the game and anyone reading for the first time wouldn't be criticised for thinking that Tiffany was going to become a love interest at the time.
She wasn't essential in the story due to being sidelined right before the start of Alice's storyline, but if she wasn't relevant, then weirdworld wouldn't continue to tease their relationship. You can literally ask her for love.
It's clear he wants to do something with this character. The MW was the perfect place to expand on her and her sister is my point.

The only argument you can make is that her character relies on her family's (Millikens') problems being brought up and solved to have any proper character development; therefore, the monsterworld would have been a subpar arc for her.
But you didn't make this argument. You just said she's irrelevant.

Weirdworld is even getting the MC involved with Tiffany again if you played the last update.
 

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In WeirdWorld's Discord, there was a trivia contest where winners could ask for a report on any character they wanted. One person asked for Tiffany. Weird eventually came back and said that the person who wanted the Tiffany report had to either wait until after v1.0 or choose a different character. Most people have taken this to mean Tiffany is going to be very relevant in the near future.
 
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