VN Ren'Py Superhuman [v0.99999b] [WeirdWorld]

[johndqdo]

All looks correct to me, except this bit about Memory :

'' You can make something happen if it you have the memory of it, and make something not happen by forgetting, you can manipulate 'data' or 'information' associated with this reality etc ''

That seems to be overselling it a bit, I mean making something happen if you have the memory of it would probably only work with traits of Creation or Truth no ?
Memory altering things seems to be only viable in the DreamWorld from what I understood, and in the real world Memory serves to only alter other people's minds rather than create anything tangible. Make them forget, implant false memories and such.

Take Sylla for example, when she used things such as '' Recalled Strength '' and was able to morph herself into the forms of people she was connected with at some point, such as when she fought Indra as Aos, or Eisheth, or that Asura, that to me looked like a ability that she could pull off only because she was in the DreamWorld.
I also think her Egregore form was also only a DreamWorld specific ability

Can we talk about how WEAK Memory powers is? It's to a point that I think Memory without Body is almost useless.

 

[Deleted member 9635502]

All looks correct to me, except this bit about Memory :

'' You can make something happen if it you have the memory of it, and make something not happen by forgetting, you can manipulate 'data' or 'information' associated with this reality etc ''

That seems to be overselling it a bit, I mean making something happen if you have the memory of it would probably only work with traits of Creation or Truth no ?
Memory altering things seems to be only viable in the DreamWorld from what I understood, and in the real world Memory serves to only alter other people's minds rather than create anything tangible. Make them forget, implant false memories and such.

Take Sylla for example, when she used things such as '' Recalled Strength '' and was able to morph herself into the forms of people she was connected with at some point, such as when she fought Indra as Aos, or Eisheth, or that Asura, that to me looked like a ability that she could pull off only because she was in the DreamWorld.
I also think her Egregore form was also only a DreamWorld specific ability

Yeah forgor about Dreamworld. My aim was to figure out how powerful can a spawn become with only one trait and it seems memory's full potential can only be achieved through dreamworld maybe?

 

[Jonathan Y]

Can we talk about how WEAK Memory powers is? It's to a point that I think Memory without Body is almost useless.

You know I always fucking think that but also hold myself back from saying in case I missed something, but yeah it is pretty fucking weak isn't it ?

Even fucking with the minds of people seems something Fantasy does better, or Jake's version of Authority, or The Black Mouth's version with his/her brainwashing.

But also Ps. I mentioned how Sylla could only morph into the memories of others in the DreamWorld, however I just remembered that hunt Nico took the Mc one, where they fought the kind of monster Sylla was, on that hunt Nico mentioned how she needed the Mc to engage the monster since if she did it the monster could hyjack her memories and morph into someone she knows, and she was afraid it would morph into Malik or some shit, am I remembering correctly ? If so then Memory prolly isn't as shit as it seems.

Although WW might retcon that, I mean it seems kinda broken ability, it would make more sense for the memory morphing power to be only DreamWorld specific.

 

[johndqdo]

You know I always fucking think that but also hold myself back from saying in case I missed something, but yeah it is pretty fucking weak isn't it ?

Even fucking with the minds of people seems something Fantasy does better, or Jake's version of Authority, or The Black Mouth's version with his/her brainwashing.

But also Ps. I mentioned how Sylla could only morph into the memories of others in the DreamWorld, however I just remembered that hunt Nico took the Mc one, where they fought the kind of monster Sylla was, on that hunt Nico mentioned how she needed the Mc to engage the monster since if she did it the monster could hyjack her memories and morph into someone she knows, and she was afraid it would morph into Malik or some shit, am I remembering correctly ? If so then Memory prolly isn't as shit as it seems.

Although WW might retcon that, I mean it seems kinda broken ability, it would make more sense for the memory morphing power to be only DreamWorld specific.

And don't forget that Memory isn't the strongest in the DreamWorld nether. The title goes to Fantasy.

 

[Jonathan Y]

And don't forget that Memory isn't the strongest in the DreamWorld nether. The title goes to Fantasy.

Oh yeah that's right. Damn. It does seem that Memory can only truly be op when paired with Body.

 

[KKStrider]

Can we talk about how WEAK Memory powers is? It's to a point that I think Memory without Body is almost useless.

Yeah, that's entirely accurate. When WeirdWorld was doing a

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where the premise was to gauge how good a power would be for a regular person who had a bit of time to learn to use them, he placed both the Memory and Syla's variants of the Memory trait all the way at the bottom of the Mediocre tier.

 

[KyngC]

You know I always fucking think that but also hold myself back from saying in case I missed something, but yeah it is pretty fucking weak isn't it ?

Even fucking with the minds of people seems something Fantasy does better, or Jake's version of Authority, or The Black Mouth's version with his/her brainwashing.

But also Ps. I mentioned how Sylla could only morph into the memories of others in the DreamWorld, however I just remembered that hunt Nico took the Mc one, where they fought the kind of monster Sylla was, on that hunt Nico mentioned how she needed the Mc to engage the monster since if she did it the monster could hyjack her memories and morph into someone she knows, and she was afraid it would morph into Malik or some shit, am I remembering correctly ? If so then Memory prolly isn't as shit as it seems.

Although WW might retcon that, I mean it seems kinda broken ability, it would make more sense for the memory morphing power to be only DreamWorld specific.

This is the reason why I hope end game memory powers has the ability to copy other powers, cuz it really is trash power if all it can do is what we have seen

 

[Tamwyn]

This is the reason why I hope end game memory powers has the ability to copy other powers, cuz it really is trash power if all it can do is what we have seen

Literally thought the same thing, that both the body and memory are weak, for different reasons.

 

[obibobi]

was able to morph herself into the forms of people she was connected with at some point, such as when she fought Indra as Aos, or Eisheth, or that Asura, that to me looked like a ability that she could pull off only because she was in the DreamWorld.

That should be something she could pull off in the real world if the Syla are anything to go by, they can create opponents for you to fight from your memories and they would be vastly weaker than the MC's mom.

I see people saying Memory's weak but given the nature of what we've seen it has the potential to be extremely broken, we've seen it alter reality, but even if you boil it down to the very basics of altering memories, that's easily as broken as what Jake was doing, you could delete someone's mind, alter their memories so they're your greatest ally, I think if the MC had went all in on memory instead of body, he would be more than capable of doing that by this stage.

Memory suffers from Weird not wanting the MC to win like Professor X, so he has severely limited its direct combat potential.

 

[Grimnir098]

You know I always fucking think that but also hold myself back from saying in case I missed something, but yeah it is pretty fucking weak isn't it ?

Even fucking with the minds of people seems something Fantasy does better, or Jake's version of Authority, or The Black Mouth's version with his/her brainwashing.

But also Ps. I mentioned how Sylla could only morph into the memories of others in the DreamWorld, however I just remembered that hunt Nico took the Mc one, where they fought the kind of monster Sylla was, on that hunt Nico mentioned how she needed the Mc to engage the monster since if she did it the monster could hyjack her memories and morph into someone she knows, and she was afraid it would morph into Malik or some shit, am I remembering correctly ? If so then Memory prolly isn't as shit as it seems.

Although WW might retcon that, I mean it seems kinda broken ability, it would make more sense for the memory morphing power to be only DreamWorld specific.

You're underestimating Memory a bit, but I'm pretty sure WW said that Memory isn't that good for combat.
I imagine someone with Memory could be an incredibly dangerous mastermind figure if they had the mind for it, given Memory's capability for information-gathering and manipulation.

 

[Shaun@121]

All 12 superpower potential

1. Authority allows you to 'control' anything that is perceptible, you can bend space to create wormwholes, you can control peoples minds, you can bend time to time travel, you can control molecules in the air and use them to create rocks and stuff, you can bend elements, etc etc. You can control everything that you can perceive. You can also 'create' news laws that govern the universe.

2. Power allows you to use energy for offense or defense, kinetic energy, radiation, light, nuclear, thermal, sound etc etc. And I guess it can supplement any of your other traits, whether it be fantasy or creation.

3. Body is all that is physical, flesh, rocks, metals, planets, gas, liquid, cells, atoms. It is about control over it. You can I guess teleport somewhat using just a few stray atoms hovering around in a vacuum. You can shapeshift, create anything you want as long as its not too complicated.

4. Memory is about...memory, dna, records, history, etc. You can make something happen if it you have the memory of it, and make something not happen by forgetting, you can manipulate 'data' or 'information' associated with this reality etc etc. [I dont know what Im talking about]. Memory also seems to make anything and any trait stronger the more you have it. It is also used as a currency for some reason.

5. Time is time, you can stop it, fast forward it, slow stuff down, loop it, touch it, bend it, and time travel etc.

6. Space is medium, the canvas of this reality and all. It allows you to teleport yourself or anything where ever you want, it allows you to bend and control space where everything resides. You can also manipulate gravity, pressure, dark energy and matter...and I guess thats it. Im sure characters like burnhard can only bend air, manipulate pressure and move unbelievably fast because they have the space trait

7. Dark is about darkness, depression and emo. It allows you to...I guess make stuff invisible, shroud everything in darkness, teleport using dark areas. It also helps you to negate other traits and render them weak or useless against you or anyone else. It also allows you to use dark matter and energy because they have the word 'dark' in their name.

8. Light is about light, photons, positivity, christianity etc. It helps you move unbelievably fast, faster than the speed of light despite light being pitifully slow in the universal scale, good thing is light is available everywhere I guess and you can teleport anywhere where light is present. You can also heal and rejuvinate living beings using light, and light also has energy which can be used to burn stuff.

9. Truth is about truth, justice, reality, facts and logic, and all that is tangible or perceivable. You can bend reality, laws of physics and universe, use telekinesis, become invincible since you decided when you'll die. You can also create shields and barriers and stuff, and use jedi powers.

10. Fantasy is about hopes and dreams, fantasy, and things that are not 'true' and that are not tangible. You can manipulate dreams, move and teleport using them, create illusions, create clones, make anything not exist because you decide whats not true, and I guess it also allows you to manipulate and bend reality and laws of physics and universe etc etc.

11. Destruction is about destroying anything that is real, and I mean real real. You can destroy truth, fantasy, power, energy, body, memories, space, light, anything. It works by allowing you to emit an aura that destroys everything it touches. Scary if you think about it.

12. Creation is about creating stuff. You can create anything, anything. Very simple.

Wow after reading this I guess Authority is seems like allows you to have all the power it's like some of all the 12 power ,so that's why aglae hint that authority is the most powerful power when you asked her in the cave

 

[Zekethor2]

Wow after reading this I guess Authority is seems like allows you to have all the power it's like some of all the 12 power ,so that's why aglae hint that authority is the most powerful power when you asked her in the cave

Does she actually say that? I remember her saying “The greatest power out of everything is Order.” Order is authority + power.

But now, being more serious, do you guys still stick to your theories that the Eye in the Evolution 3 death was referring to “her” as in Ella? And if so, what exactly was he seeking in her? Could it be the perfect mix of the MC’s memory trait + Ella’s perfect body trait? That’s what I’ve been wondering about recently, what exactly would Ella have, if not that?

Honestly, I kind of wish this “her” wasn’t Ella at all, and that we’d be surprised with someone else instead.

 

[Deleted member 9635502]

Does she actually say that? I remember her saying “The greatest power out of everything is Order.” Order is authority + power.

But now, being more serious, do you guys still stick to your theories that the Eye in the Evolution 3 death was referring to “her” as in Ella? And if so, what exactly was he seeking in her? Could it be the perfect mix of the MC’s memory trait + Ella’s perfect body trait? That’s what I’ve been wondering about recently, what exactly would Ella have, if not that?

Honestly, I kind of wish this “her” wasn’t Ella at all, and that we’d be surprised with someone else instead.

Nah what I said about authority is just my own speculation its obviously not confirmed that authority can do all that crazy shit that I said, but yeah algeria did say Order might be the strongest power since its a mix between authority and power and you have both the authority to do anything you want really like create new universal laws AND the power to make that happen. It basically makes you a traditional god like creator figure. Also Idk who 'her' is but the eye did want Ella for something during that dead end since the memories of Goliath made him go towards Ella's location. Some guy said 'Her' could be the 4th apostle and I guess Ella does seem to have a connection with the 3rd and 4th. Also, the eye also refers to Ella in the 2nd dead end. "But how could a person evolve unless he faces some hardships. Right Ella?" Thats roughly what the eye said.

Hear me out.....what if the eye is some form of the MC? Or the MC himself? Maybe from the future? Maybe from the past? I mean why not there are lots of time brainfuck shenanigans in different fictions so this is possible, given the kinda story superhuman is.

 

[stainelcazador]

Bueno, ahora que MC descubrió que Indra mató a su madre, tiene a otro en su lista, pero ¡vaya!, va a ser una pesadilla para él, ya que MC es débil contra los rayos, y eso es lo que usa Indra. No sé si llegar al nivel 5 le bastará. Tendrá que ir aún más lejos para este.
[/CITA]
No es que sea débil, simplemente se sobrecarga y explota. Una teoría dice que si usa la anguila eléctrica que tocó en el zoológico, podría controlarla y usar ese poder a su favor. De hecho, creo en esa teoría.

 

[Deleted member 9635502]

The electrical eel huh? Damn if only it was that simple, its probably not. His body not being able to handle current is a result of a mutation passed down to him by his mum, so he would probably have to 'overcome' this mutation like Syla did during the final seconds of her life

 

[shujuku]

All 12 superpower potential

1. Authority allows you to 'control' anything that is perceptible, you can bend space to create wormwholes, you can control peoples minds, you can bend time to time travel, you can control molecules in the air and use them to create rocks and stuff, you can bend elements, etc etc. You can control everything that you can perceive. You can also 'create' news laws that govern the universe.

2. Power allows you to use energy for offense or defense, kinetic energy, radiation, light, nuclear, thermal, sound etc etc. And I guess it can supplement any of your other traits, whether it be fantasy or creation.

3. Body is all that is physical, flesh, rocks, metals, planets, gas, liquid, cells, atoms. It is about control over it. You can I guess teleport somewhat using just a few stray atoms hovering around in a vacuum. You can shapeshift, create anything you want as long as its not too complicated.

4. Memory is about...memory, dna, records, history, etc. You can make something happen if it you have the memory of it, and make something not happen by forgetting, you can manipulate 'data' or 'information' associated with this reality etc etc. [I dont know what Im talking about]. Memory also seems to make anything and any trait stronger the more you have it. It is also used as a currency for some reason.

5. Time is time, you can stop it, fast forward it, slow stuff down, loop it, touch it, bend it, and time travel etc.

6. Space is medium, the canvas of this reality and all. It allows you to teleport yourself or anything where ever you want, it allows you to bend and control space where everything resides. You can also manipulate gravity, pressure, dark energy and matter...and I guess thats it. Im sure characters like burnhard can only bend air, manipulate pressure and move unbelievably fast because they have the space trait

7. Dark is about darkness, depression and emo. It allows you to...I guess make stuff invisible, shroud everything in darkness, teleport using dark areas. It also helps you to negate other traits and render them weak or useless against you or anyone else. It also allows you to use dark matter and energy because they have the word 'dark' in their name.

8. Light is about light, photons, positivity, christianity etc. It helps you move unbelievably fast, faster than the speed of light despite light being pitifully slow in the universal scale, good thing is light is available everywhere I guess and you can teleport anywhere where light is present. You can also heal and rejuvinate living beings using light, and light also has energy which can be used to burn stuff.

9. Truth is about truth, justice, reality, facts and logic, and all that is tangible or perceivable. You can bend reality, laws of physics and universe, use telekinesis, become invincible since you decided when you'll die. You can also create shields and barriers and stuff, and use jedi powers.

10. Fantasy is about hopes and dreams, fantasy, and things that are not 'true' and that are not tangible. You can manipulate dreams, move and teleport using them, create illusions, create clones, make anything not exist because you decide whats not true, and I guess it also allows you to manipulate and bend reality and laws of physics and universe etc etc.

11. Destruction is about destroying anything that is real, and I mean real real. You can destroy truth, fantasy, power, energy, body, memories, space, light, anything. It works by allowing you to emit an aura that destroys everything it touches. Scary if you think about it.

12. Creation is about creating stuff. You can create anything, anything. Very simple.

Didnt read all but authority is not about space in any way. Its about imposing your control on anything with a will.

 

[Jonathan Y]

This is the reason why I hope end game memory powers has the ability to copy other powers, cuz it really is trash power if all it can do is what we have seen

Well that's the thing. Memory CAN copy other people's powers, but only if you pair with another trait like Body.

I can see the Mc get to a point where he could perhaps transform into another superhuman he formed connections with in the past and maybe use a limited arsenal of said individuals powers, like Michael, but a dumbed down version of his powers.

But that's just it, I can see him doing that only because he has both Body and Memory traits.

I guess if you had a.individual somehow with Memory and Creation he could also do the same ? With Memory serving as a powerful clutch for creation.

But Memory on it's own seems poorly suited for most things outside espionage and information gathering.

 

[KyngC]

I guess if you had a.individual somehow with Memory and Creation he could also do the same ? With Memory serving as a powerful clutch for creation.

Tbh Deryl kinda does that

 

[SleeplessDemon]

Any reasons or theories why some people change appearance when they gain power or evolve?

MC becomes his ideal body. Makes sense because he's a shapeshifter
Jake changes (Its not him changing people's perception, that was to make people think he always looked like that)
Alice doesn't change (Besides you know)
Michael, Met, Tiffany, Derryl all remain the same

Demi has 4th wall breaking powers to be a femboy (They get a pass). Their power is a meta joke of being liked no matter what
Angelina remains the same (Her powers being the cause)
The twins for the most part don't change? Hard to tell if it's just a result of their situation

That assassin chick becomes younger
Cole has a Toshiro from bleach transformation
Shen as well

My best idea is that they weren't happy with how they looked. Cole wanted to bang Ella, so he changed his appearance especially when he saw Shen's evolution, jealousy and envy.

Alice, Michael, Met, Tiffinay, Derryl are okay with their current bodies. Some practical reason for the first 3 being they're used to fighting as is.

Of course the practical reason being not needing to draw new sprites