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If MC woke up back in the park just after having turned into a superhuman, but still has all of his memories, how does the story change?
 
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If MC woke up back in the park just after having turned into a superhuman, but still has all of his memories, how does the story change?
If MC retained his memory after Sylas death he would have entered into either HERO or MOON custody, most likely the former, before being turned and trained with the orphans, can't have a genetically "gifted" kid knowing about monsters loose. This would be more of a vengance story, with our MC consuming himself in his quest to kill Indra, or finding salvation along the way, while dealing with Cole's whinny ass. He wouldn't have met most of the cast, or at least under normal circumstances, probably on otherworldly adventures with Ella, and reached at least lv5 by the time ours start.
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If MC retained his memory after Sylas death he would have entered into either HERO or MOON custody, most likely the former, before being turned and trained with the orphans, can't have a genetically "gifted" kid knowing about monsters loose. This would be more of a vengance story, with our MC consuming himself in his quest to kill Indra, or finding salvation along the way, while dealing with Cole's whinny ass. He wouldn't have met most of the cast, or at least under normal circumstances, probably on otherworldly adventures with Ella, and reached at least lv5 by the time ours start.
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No, I mean current MC wakes up back as a Level 1. He remembers going on adventures with Michael and Alice, and Deryl turning, and all of that jazz.
 
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No, I mean current MC wakes up back as a Level 1. He remembers going on adventures with Michael and Alice, and Deryl turning, and all of that jazz.
Oh...he would have to play it safe at the begining at least, so he doesn't get eaten by Ella, since he would get stronger much faster and know far too much... It could derail the entire secuence of events... quite an interesting topic.
 

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Oh...he would have to play it safe at the begining at least, so he doesn't get eaten by Ella, since he would get stronger much faster and know far too much... It could derail the entire secuence of events... quite an interesting topic.
The problem is that the MC isn't very smart, so it's hard to tell if he would make the best decisions or not.
 

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In the hypothetical the big issue he runs into is Ella, juggling her and not showing your hand is more complicated. Everything else is easier. He either gets evo wayyyyy earlier if not right then and there because he has his memories which is a cop out so i am going to assume he gets them at roughly the same time period. If he a good boy, he is skilled beyond belief from get go and will likely get laid even faster because he knows what to say even without the memory's help.

He would probably try to change things when it comes to the Twins + Shen fight. There are 2 reasons for this, reason 1 is that he wants to obviously spare Lamber her fate and reason 2 is he knows Shen wont go for the kill, it also skips monster world as an arc, Cole falls as usual since we more skilled than before. The issue that can also go wrong in the hypothetical is that those under say TIME will be a pain in the ass, so Deus and Zack, cuz something is very wrong. Or someone with memory powers theoretically but that has not come up in an antagonistic fashion.

If he a bad boi he will lack in skill to a bigger degree although to compensate, will go on a hunting spree to catch up to his previous power level, kind of like Valv.
 
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If MC woke up back in the park just after having turned into a superhuman, but still has all of his memories, how does the story change?
Oh, that's a fun idea. Some thoughts, in no particular order:
  • The MC is going to be a lot stronger. He might get reset to Power 1, but he'll still have Skill 50+. So all those early game fights are going to go by much faster, because he has so much more idea of what to do in a fight. None of that hesitating or wasted efforts that plagued him in early on. That's probably going to get Ella very interested, because even if he manages to conceal his Memory powers from her enough to keep her from thinking he's a perfect spawn, he still shouldn't be that good at punching. Something is up, and she'll want to know what.
  • Eliminating Jake as a threat is going to be something he prioritizes. He knows all the trouble that Jake can make for him, if unopposed. How he does that will depend on his response to Jake in his original timeline. I spared Jake, so my MC would probably try to befriend Jake more thoroughly. Make him into an ally instead of an enemy, get them close enough that Ella can't turn Jake easily. Warn Jake about Ella, share about the pills and how she's been meddling in his life and use that to build a rapport over Ella's attempts to do the same to Jake. If the MC can make Jake an ally, he cuts out all the mess with jail and Deryl and also gets a really strong superhuman in his corner.
  • Speaking of eliminating future threats: He might just murder Jared. Don't even give the guy a chance to shoot Laurie. Lure him into a dark alley in a different form, then tear his head off and shrink the body away. Why risk it? Though man that would have some interesting implications for his relationship to Langdon, if Langdon ever found out. That could be a fun consequence, the MC getting a lot more hostile attention his way from S.I.N. due to making an enemy of Langdon.
  • The frat house massacre probably doesn't happen. The MC will know that Kenny is going to get infected by a Minyak, and even if he can't stop that, he can at least isolate Kenny and keep him from hurting anyone. Worst case scenario, Kenny still turns at the party but the MC shoves him out the window instead of through the floor, and he fights him away from any bodies for Kenny to eat or reanimate. Let's say that does happen, so that people can still see the MC being a cool superhero. But he'll look even cooler, because without any casualties and the MC beating Kenny much more efficiently thanks to his higher Skill, it's going to look like something out of a Kamen Rider show. An armored warrior showing up and stylishly defeating the Monster of the Week before it can hurt anyone, more spectacle than horror.
  • Without the frat house massacre, Lexi and Clarke are presumably not chosen to investigate the campus for the MC. That happened because Lexi could use her therapy credentials to excuse interviewing people, and Clark was her partner so he might as well come along. H.E.R.O. would probably still send someone, but it could be someone else. Elijah, maybe? He is enrolled in R&X, after all, he'd have an excuse to hang around the campus. And he'd certainly want to meet a hero who saved so many lives.
  • The Mafia Arc honestly might not even happen. With the MC being such a good fighter, he could come across to Alice and Michael as suspicious. Someone on that level, that they have no background for? They might not want to work with him. But even assuming that they do, and it proceeds as normal to the point where he meets Klaus, well...he kicked Klaus' ass with his current Power and only Skill 6. Skill 50+? When Klaus doesn't have the pseudo-monsterfication serum from Xanthe yet? Dude folds like a cheap suit. Arc ends right there.
  • If the Mafia Arc ends early, then Oscar never dies. So Charlie has no reason to work with Ella to get him back. If the MC thinks of that, then he can reunite them and take another tool out of Ella's hands. Charlie's got no reason to geas the MC for Ella if she already has Oscar back. She'll even be thinking of the MC as a friend of the family, then, even. So everything that Charlie has intervened in is just wiped from the plot. No working for S.I.N., no keeping Jared alive (assuming he still is)

Past this point, I'm not sure how it will go. I've introduced too many variables to say for certain. A lot of the things that most caused the MC problems are not factors anymore. I imagine that the Battle of Diamonds will still happen, but I don't know what the MC's role in it would be if Charlie and Jake's actions don't lead to Deryl becoming a monster. Maybe he's with Laurie's team, then, as a pair of level 2s? Could just be them fighting monsters the whole time.

Tanos will still probably try to capture Amber and Liz eventually. I don't know if he and Deryl will be able to stop it. They're still up against a pair of strong level 3s and a level 4. Deryl might have his philosopher's stone already in this version, though, with no lost progress from when he monsterfied (assuming he even becomes a superhuman, but let's give him that anyway). Between that and the MC being more skilled in his Memory powers at that point, maybe they could do it? So they'd skip the dreamwalking arc, just go back to H.E.R.O.. A couple weeks later the Black Moon happens and the invasion begins. Maybe H.E.R.O.'s better prepared, would the MC tell them about his future knowledge? Zack or Deus might believe him.

I don't know, I'm running out of steam. Not up to writing an outline for a whole fanfic here. But I do think there's a ton of stuff the MC could derail if he just knew to do it. He has the opportunity. It would be a very different timeline.
 
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Oh, that's a fun idea. Some thoughts, in no particular order:
  • The MC is going to be a lot stronger. He might get reset to Power 1, but he'll still have Skill 50+. So all those early game fights are going to go by much faster, because he has so much more idea of what to do in a fight. None of that hesitating or wasted efforts that plagued him in early on. That's probably going to get Ella very interested, because even if he manages to conceal his Memory powers from her enough to keep her from thinking he's a perfect spawn, he still shouldn't be that good at punching. Something is up, and she'll want to know what.
  • Eliminating Jake as a threat is going to be something he prioritizes. He knows all the trouble that Jake can make for him, if unopposed. How he does that will depend on his response to Jake in his original timeline. I spared Jake, so my MC would probably try to befriend Jake more thoroughly. Make him into an ally instead of an enemy, get them close enough that Ella can't turn Jake easily. Warn Jake about Ella, share about the pills and how she's been meddling in his life and use that to build a rapport over Ella's attempts to do the same to Jake. If the MC can make Jake an ally, he cuts out all the mess with jail and Deryl and also gets a really strong superhuman in his corner.
  • Speaking of eliminating future threats: He might just murder Jared. Don't even give the guy a chance to shoot Laurie. Lure him into a dark alley in a different form, then tear his head off and shrink the body away. Why risk it? Though man that would have some interesting implications for his relationship to Langdon, if Langdon ever found out. That could be a fun consequence, the MC getting a lot more hostile attention his way from S.I.N. due to making an enemy of Langdon.
  • The frat house massacre probably doesn't happen. The MC will know that Kenny is going to get infected by a Minyak, and even if he can't stop that, he can at least isolate Kenny and keep him from hurting anyone. Worst case scenario, Kenny still turns at the party but the MC shoves him out the window instead of through the floor, and he fights him away from any bodies for Kenny to eat or reanimate. Let's say that does happen, so that people can still see the MC being a cool superhero. But he'll look even cooler, because without any casualties and the MC beating Kenny much more efficiently thanks to his higher Skill, it's going to look like something out of a Kamen Rider show. An armored warrior showing up and stylishly defeating the Monster of the Week before it can hurt anyone, more spectacle than horror.
  • Without the frat house massacre, Lexi and Clarke are presumably not chosen to investigate the campus for the MC. That happened because Lexi could use her therapy credentials to excuse interviewing people, and Clark was her partner so he might as well come along. H.E.R.O. would probably still send someone, but it could be someone else. Elijah, maybe? He is enrolled in R&X, after all, he'd have an excuse to hang around the campus. And he'd certainly want to meet a hero who saved so many lives.
  • The Mafia Arc honestly might not even happen. With the MC being such a good fighter, he could come across to Alice and Michael as suspicious. Someone on that level, that they have no background for? They might not want to work with him. But even assuming that they do, and it proceeds as normal to the point where he meets Klaus, well...he kicked Klaus' ass with his current Power and only Skill 6. Skill 50+? When Klaus doesn't have the pseudo-monsterfication serum from Xanthe yet? Dude folds like a cheap suit. Arc ends right there.
  • If the Mafia Arc ends early, then Oscar never dies. So Charlie has no reason to work with Ella to get him back. If the MC thinks of that, then he can reunite them and take another tool out of Ella's hands. Charlie's got no reason to geas the MC for Ella if she already has Oscar back. She'll even be thinking of the MC as a friend of the family, then, even. So everything that Charlie has intervened in is just wiped from the plot. No working for S.I.N., no keeping Jared alive (assuming he still is)

Past this point, I'm not sure how it will go. I've introduced too many variables to say for certain. A lot of the things that most caused the MC problems are not factors anymore. I imagine that the Battle of Diamonds will still happen, but I don't know what the MC's role in it would be if Charlie and Jake's actions don't lead to Deryl becoming a monster. Maybe he's with Laurie's team, then, as a pair of level 3s? Could just be them fighting monsters the whole time.

Tanos will still probably try to capture Amber and Liz eventually. I don't know if he and Deryl will be able to stop it. They're still up against a pair of strong level 3s and a level 4. Deryl might have his philosopher's stone already in this version, though, with no lost progress from when he monsterfied (assuming he even becomes a superhuman, but let's give him that anyway). Between that and the MC being more skilled in his Memory powers at that point, maybe they could do it? So they'd skip the dreamwalking arc, just go back to H.E.R.O.. A couple weeks later the Black Moon happens and the invasion begins. Maybe H.E.R.O.'s better prepared, would the MC tell them about his future knowledge? Zack or Deus might believe him.

I don't know, I'm running out of steam. Not up to writing an outline for a whole fanfic here. But I do think there's a ton of stuff the MC could derail if he just knew to do it. He has the opportunity. It would be a very different timeline.
I choose the fight vs the Twins and Shen specifically because of how difficult it would be to justify it as an event in the overall scheme of things. The first roadblock i ran into was that like you i too thought to myself The Klaus arc is kinda cut short and that could be an issue due to Aos with Alice on one hand, Oscar fighting Michael, Alice learning and first evo.
So for example, given how close the fight Michael has vs Leigong, if he lacked exp fighting Oscar, I on god believe he dies or becomes a worse Met Freitas since he is stuck with lightning rather than what he ended up getting originally funnily enough. I agree with what you said though lol.
A lot of the events in the story kind of have a silver lining, if he derails them, well he gives up his advantage, its a trick i think he only really gets to fully abuse once and from that point on its diminishing returns. Sidestepping Jake is tricky because you want Deryl as an ally, Jake cant really do anything vs Ella even if you help him out. So yeah its fun to think about how the small details can change a lot in the overall scheme of things. If he performs too well at the house party it is also potentially an issue and Jared getting killed is more trouble than it is worth. Getting him killed by proxy at the party however, highly recommended but not sure MC is that sneaky.
 

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If MC woke up back in the park just after having turned into a superhuman, but still has all of his memories, how does the story change?
One thing for sure, he'd definitely try to train hard so he can avenge his mom. I think he and Cole would honestly end up fighting. Not because MC would want to fight him, but rather because Cole would still be simping HARD over Ella. So hard that once again, Cole would be MC's biggest hater. He'll hate the way that he walks, the way that he talks. He'll hate the way that he dress. Cole won't even do a sneak diss, when he takes flight, it'll be direct.

Yes, that was a Kendrick Lamar reference and yes, that currently fits how Cole feels about the MC because Ella chose the MC.

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No, I mean current MC wakes up back as a Level 1. He remembers going on adventures with Michael and Alice, and Deryl turning, and all of that jazz.
Funny that's actually a theory I had on how part 1 will end, with the MC being thrown into the past, originally based on what was almost certainly just a 4th wall breaking comment from Ella where she said "maybe next time" when the MC answered who he slept with first.

My wild theory has slightly more going for it now, when the MC's major goal at the moment is to track 2 characters with time powers. Part 1 will end with one of them sacrificing themselves to send the MC's memories into the past, of course this is less than 1% chance of happening.

As for what he would do, it would only happen if they go up against something they simply cannot beat and the MC is on a deadline to prepare for it.
 

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Funny that's actually a theory I had on how part 1 will end, with the MC being thrown into the past, originally based on what was almost certainly just a 4th wall breaking comment from Ella where she said "maybe next time" when the MC answered who he slept with first.

My wild theory has slightly more going for it now, when the MC's major goal at the moment is to track 2 characters with time powers. Part 1 will end with one of them sacrificing themselves to send the MC's memories into the past, of course this is less than 1% chance of happening.

As for what he would do, it would only happen if they go up against something they simply cannot beat and the MC is on a deadline to prepare for it.
My theory is that he's in a time loop but can't remember it, with Lochan Deus directing events.

Evidence the MC is in a time loop:

- During the Dead End at SIN headquarters where the Eye loses to Bernhardt, the Eye will basically say he's condemned to repeat events and lose every time. Then he'll adress Ella for some reason. The Eye's final words are "See you soon."
- During the party after Alice defeats the fairy queen, if you didn't help Liz steal Deryl's serum, the MC can mention memories where he becomes a monster, the memories seem to correspond to the Dead Ends.
- Aos, the monster that looks like Syla in the fairy city, and the Judge from the Path of Truth all mention the MC has a destiny.

Evidence Deus is directing events:

- He destroys the Eye during the Diamond Massacre Dead End.
- He gave Valravn his heart back.
- He sent Clarke and Alexis to confront Ella after she let Kenny attack the party near the beginning of the game.
- He never told HERO anything about the MC.
- He's the guy in the elevator that lets the MC infiltrate HERO when he's doing that for Tiffany.

Evidence Ella may know about the time loop:

- In the first camp party in the monster world, when they're all talking about losing their virginities, if the MC lost it to Christie Little Ella will mention that she hoped the MC lost it to her before saying "Ah well, next time."

TLDR, the theory is the MC is stuck in a time loop, Ella probably knows about it, and Deus is probably a time traveler from a future where the monsters destroyed Earth.
 

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My theory is that he's in a time loop but can't remember it, with Lochan Deus directing events.

Evidence the MC is in a time loop:

- During the Dead End at SIN headquarters where the Eye loses to Bernhardt, the Eye will basically say he's condemned to repeat events and lose every time. Then he'll adress Ella for some reason. The Eye's final words are "See you soon."
- During the party after Alice defeats the fairy queen, if you didn't help Liz steal Deryl's serum, the MC can mention memories where he becomes a monster, the memories seem to correspond to the Dead Ends.
- Aos, the monster that looks like Syla in the fairy city, and the Judge from the Path of Truth all mention the MC has a destiny.

Evidence Deus is directing events:

- He destroys the Eye during the Diamond Massacre Dead End.
- He gave Valravn his heart back.
- He sent Clarke and Alexis to confront Ella after she let Kenny attack the party near the beginning of the game.
- He never told HERO anything about the MC.
- He's the guy in the elevator that lets the MC infiltrate HERO when he's doing that for Tiffany.

Evidence Ella may know about the time loop:

- In the first camp party in the monster world, when they're all talking about losing their virginities, if the MC lost it to Christie Little Ella will mention that she hoped the MC lost it to her before saying "Ah well, next time."

TLDR, the theory is the MC is stuck in a time loop, Ella probably knows about it, and Deus is probably a time traveler from a future where the monsters destroyed Earth.
directing, more like mc is lochan.
 
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My theory is that he's in a time loop but can't remember it, with Lochan Deus directing events.

Evidence the MC is in a time loop:

- During the Dead End at SIN headquarters where the Eye loses to Bernhardt, the Eye will basically say he's condemned to repeat events and lose every time. Then he'll adress Ella for some reason. The Eye's final words are "See you soon."
- During the party after Alice defeats the fairy queen, if you didn't help Liz steal Deryl's serum, the MC can mention memories where he becomes a monster, the memories seem to correspond to the Dead Ends.
- Aos, the monster that looks like Syla in the fairy city, and the Judge from the Path of Truth all mention the MC has a destiny.

Evidence Deus is directing events:

- He destroys the Eye during the Diamond Massacre Dead End.
- He gave Valravn his heart back.
- He sent Clarke and Alexis to confront Ella after she let Kenny attack the party near the beginning of the game.
- He never told HERO anything about the MC.
- He's the guy in the elevator that lets the MC infiltrate HERO when he's doing that for Tiffany.

Evidence Ella may know about the time loop:

- In the first camp party in the monster world, when they're all talking about losing their virginities, if the MC lost it to Christie Little Ella will mention that she hoped the MC lost it to her before saying "Ah well, next time."

TLDR, the theory is the MC is stuck in a time loop, Ella probably knows about it, and Deus is probably a time traveler from a future where the monsters destroyed Earth.
This is giving me a "what is behind the event horizon of a black hole" vibe
we got precogs and time travellers who can and will prune undesireable timelines.
so whether you are in a timeloop, or simply in the "prime" unprunned timeline is academic. And is really just a matter of perspective. which is again similar to be a black hole.
 
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