KingAgamemnon

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There's an unspoken weakness of the MC that I feel will slowly be made less important once he hits Level 4, and that's the need to have had physical contact with something to have it's DNA unlocked for transformation uses. He's already sort of learning about the Memory encoded into species, so I feel that by Level 5 at the latest, he will basically just have everyone's DNA just through Memory connections. Level 4 could be "I can copy based on sight instead of just touch", which would already be an improvement.
 

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There's an unspoken weakness of the MC that I feel will slowly be made less important once he hits Level 4, and that's the need to have had physical contact with something to have it's DNA unlocked for transformation uses. He's already sort of learning about the Memory encoded into species, so I feel that by Level 5 at the latest, he will basically just have everyone's DNA just through Memory connections. Level 4 could be "I can copy based on sight instead of just touch", which would already be an improvement.
And since he has Memory AND Body, at Level 5, there's a chance that he could potentially Copy the Abilities of Superhumans & Monsters OUTSIDE of the Dream Realm.

I'm pretty sure Syla could only do it in the Dream Realm, then again I don't think that was EXPLICITLY stated, so I could be completely wrong, but we do know that she was DEFINITELY stronger within that Realm as opposed to on Earth.

The MC might even be able to retain the Abilities for 'longer', and even mix match them. Though again, that's all Theoretical, and DEFINITELY End Game of it was ever implemented. The MC's just cracked. Besides having both Body and Memory, two Traits that are closest together AND Apostle Traits, he also has the potential to maybe...'strike a deal' with an Arbiter? Depending on how that whole process works. He's got the most Potential, fuck whatever Ella was saying with Jake, at the end of the day, Two Traits at Level 5 is better than one, if EVERYONE was capped at the same Level, we will still always have the advantage in having more ways to fuck with people.

As of right now, we can guess at Level 5 he'll probably be able to use Body and Memory at their Maximum Capacity, but with an Arbiter 'deal', there's a chance he might be able to get an even Stronger Trait that is a Combination of the two. I can't imagine the Arbiter is just a simple Power Up when compared to the 3rd and 4th, that would kinda be dumb in my eyes, considering the Apostles themselves seem to be able to use Both Traits anyways. And while I know we've already seen what the Arbiter could do in our Body, keep in mind we were an 'incomplete' Vessel, there's still a chance that a Fully Maxed Out Arbiter is an absurd freak of nature like I predict, housing a new Trait that combines the Lower two.
 

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And since he has Memory AND Body, at Level 5, there's a chance that he could potentially Copy the Abilities of Superhumans & Monsters OUTSIDE of the Dream Realm.

I'm pretty sure Syla could only do it in the Dream Realm, then again I don't think that was EXPLICITLY stated, so I could be completely wrong, but we do know that she was DEFINITELY stronger within that Realm as opposed to on Earth.

The MC might even be able to retain the Abilities for 'longer', and even mix match them. Though again, that's all Theoretical, and DEFINITELY End Game of it was ever implemented. The MC's just cracked. Besides having both Body and Memory, two Traits that are closest together AND Apostle Traits, he also has the potential to maybe...'strike a deal' with an Arbiter? Depending on how that whole process works. He's got the most Potential, fuck whatever Ella was saying with Jake, at the end of the day, Two Traits at Level 5 is better than one, if EVERYONE was capped at the same Level, we will still always have the advantage in having more ways to fuck with people.

As of right now, we can guess at Level 5 he'll probably be able to use Body and Memory at their Maximum Capacity, but with an Arbiter 'deal', there's a chance he might be able to get an even Stronger Trait that is a Combination of the two. I can't imagine the Arbiter is just a simple Power Up when compared to the 3rd and 4th, that would kinda be dumb in my eyes, considering the Apostles themselves seem to be able to use Both Traits anyways. And while I know we've already seen what the Arbiter could do in our Body, keep in mind we were an 'incomplete' Vessel, there's still a chance that a Fully Maxed Out Arbiter is an absurd freak of nature like I predict, housing a new Trait that combines the Lower two.
My theory is that the MC just needs to ride out the Eye's influence until he gets to level 5, and by that point they would be intertwined enough to basically be the same person and they can assume the Arbiter Form at will. MC just needs enough power to maintain his Ego through the whole process.
 

Jonathan Y

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My theory is that the MC just needs to ride out the Eye's influence until he gets to level 5, and by that point they would be intertwined enough to basically be the same person and they can assume the Arbiter Form at will. MC just needs enough power to maintain his Ego through the whole process.
Ooh that enough power to maintain his sense of self bit is new, never thought of it but it makes sense.
 
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And since he has Memory AND Body, at Level 5, there's a chance that he could potentially Copy the Abilities of Superhumans & Monsters OUTSIDE of the Dream Realm.

I'm pretty sure Syla could only do it in the Dream Realm, then again I don't think that was EXPLICITLY stated, so I could be completely wrong, but we do know that she was DEFINITELY stronger within that Realm as opposed to on Earth.
Her spawns, the Silat, can copy Superhumans Powers in the material word. Nico talks about it when you go hunt one.
 
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Her spawns, the Silat, can copy Superhumans Powers in the material word. Nico talks about it when you go hunt one.
We still don't know how monster chosen work in the least, but given that Syla was mentioned to be a pure Memory (before taking in whatever she did to ruin that), her having the abilities of other Silats seems unlikely.

The other Silats seem to have a combination of Memory, to search for the most powerful person in the opponent's mind and memorize their form and power, Body, to shapeshift into them, and Power, to mimic their abilities.

In the Dream Realm, it makes sense she'd be able to assume the abilities and forms of others even without the necessary traits, since everything in that world is pure information. However, unless we don't know something about memory, she shouldn't be able to use abilities outside of the Dream Realm, unless whatever she took in is the cause of that.
 
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Can the Mc turn into gas or plasma?
I would guess that he couldn't turn into gas, at least not completely. The particles of a gas are all separated from each other, and parts of the MC that separate from him he loses control of and they then disappear. Turning into a gas would probably kill the MC. That said, he might be able to turn parts of himself into gas. The gas would expand a lot in the short time before it faded from existence, so he could use that to generate force. Kind of like exploding himself, basically.

Plasma might be possible for him to turn completely into, since particles in a plasma tend to bunch up and not be as separated, and even when their density lowers are still influencing each other through intermolecular forces. The problem would be that plasmas are full of charged particles and are incredibly conductive. Given the MC's problems with electricity, turning into plasma would also kill him, at least for now. Maybe he could do it after he conquers his electricity weakness.
 
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The bastard just admitted to me that Nxy's powers are, in fact, beyond an apostle's, the origin of her powers

Everything he said in lives may be a lie, but my friends, what a theory that is

At some point in the two hours when I asked the question
 
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TheShelly

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The bastard just admitted to me that Nxy's powers are, in fact, beyond an apostle's, their origin

Everything he said in lives may be a lie, but my friends, what a theory that is

At some point in the two hours when I asked the question
I mean... Wasnt it pretty obvious that she had mutated into some variant of the Soul trait? I already kind of assumed she had SOME affinity with the Arbiter of Soul, since she can talk to dead souls and can fucking resurrect people, both being powers that arent part of the usual repertoire of the Dark or Light traits... She even has move literally named Soul Devourer that she seemingly mixed Light and Dark to pull off.
 

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The bastard just admitted to me that Nxy's powers are, in fact, beyond an apostle's, their origin

Everything he said in lives may be a lie, but my friends, what a theory that is

At some point in the two hours when I asked the question
LOL so this whole monster invasion is a big nothing burger if HERO has that kind of firepower, the fuck is the point of this arc man holy shit.
 

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I mean... Wasnt it pretty obvious that she had mutated into some variant of the Soul trait? I already kind of assumed she had SOME affinity with the Arbiter of Soul, since she can talk to dead souls and can fucking resurrect people, both being powers that arent part of the usual repertoire of the Dark or Light traits... She even has move literally named Soul Devourer that she seemingly mixed Light and Dark to pull off.
Pretty much thought the same thing, honestly.
 

TheShelly

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LOL so this whole monster invasion is a big nothing burger if HERO has that kind of firepower, the fuck is the point of this arc man holy shit.
I believe the point is that the Apostles are now coming to earth, bringing basically every monster in existance with them and that driving them off is going to require divine levels of firepower. HERO's big boys (Berny, Henri and Malik) might be able to turn the tide or atleast stall them, but I do wonder how much of the planet is going to be actually able to survive? Oh and while Nyx might have powers originating from a source higher on the ladder than the Apostles, but she doesnt seem to be able to match the Big 3 in sheer output. You dont see her warp reality by just willing it, after all.
 
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