VN Ren'Py Superhuman [v0.9999a Beta] [WeirdWorld]

[Jonathan Y]

Different kinds of enemies...



That's part of the point of those characters though.
They're not the same kind of threat as Tanos/Indra/Yuren, they are/were personal threats due to their different dislikes of the MC.

True, but just having different dislikes sounds so shallow and superficial in comparison to individuals who do real evil shit.

Jared is a boy in a man's body with a crippling father complex and Cole is hopelessly obsessed with a woman who will never love him, after a childhood of being abused and treated like an object. That's how I see them and that's why I personaly can't bring myself to hate either them.

Honestly, now that I think about it, if I were in Cole's shoes I would also hate the living guts of the Mc.
I mean think about it, the Mc is the complete opposite of Cole, unlike Cole the Mc had a good childhood, with parents who loved and protected him, he wasn't abused, he grew up normal with friends, he did not suffer through the gruelling trainning, he became a superhuman waaaay later in life, and despite that he still is stronger, he reached level 3 waaay quicker than Cole, beat him up ( I mean think about it, in Cole's mind, the Mc defeating him invalidates all the years suffering through Xanthe's bullshit torture trainning ) and get's to be the recipient of Ella's love ? Shit life fucked Cole enough for two life times, and now he was possibly brain fucked or God knows what by Tanos.

I swear, in my playthrough I enjoy taunting people when the option presents itself, but when the Mc meets Cole again I hope we can be less antagonistic.

 

[Snugglepuff]

True, but just having different dislikes sounds so shallow and superficial in comparison to individuals who do real evil shit.

Yeah, it is. Matches perfectly with those characters though.
Both have done/been party to "real evil shit" as well.

Hell, the exact same goes for many comic villains, and arguably real world ones too.

Jared is a boy in a man's body with a crippling father complex and Cole is hopelessly obsessed with a woman who will never love him, after a childhood of being abused and treated like an object. That's how I see them and that's why I personaly can't bring myself to hate either them.

People don't hate them for why they're the way they are, but for their actions.

I swear, in my playthrough I enjoy taunting people when the option presents itself, but when the Mc meets Cole again I hope we can be less antagonistic.

Being able to have non-taunting options is always good.
It's like when we were given options not to treat Jake like shit before and after becoming superhuman. It lets us further mould the MC into how we want him to be, and is always great for adding to replayability.

 

[BenoTF25]

Can you really say Jared was worse than Cole ? Both Jared and Cole are nothing compared to Tanos, and Jared especially get's a ton of hate, but is that really warranted ? The dude was for the first half nothing but a glorified schoolyard bully, and the latter half a inconsequential wanna be villain. Jared was a grade A asshole, but other than school bulying, the worst he's done is shot Laurie, which.... y'know, it's bad but c'mon, evil route Mc can do 10 times worse shit.
I mean hell, does Alice not have a way higher kill count than Jared ? By some perspectives Alice can be considered just as evil.

I remember when you try to assasinate him during the mansion infiltration, his dialogue shows hints of something resembling a traumatic father complex, and I do believe especially given his conversation with Jess the author will try to portray these two ''nemeses'' as little more than damaged individuals.

I mean let's be real, can anyone really say Jared and Cole are enemies on the same scale as someone like Tanos, Indra, Yuren or Jared's dad ?
I think Cole and Jared are way more hated by the fandom than those other figures just because they got under the skin of the reader, but that's just it, they are both small fry.

I agree Cole could have changed and has room to grow, and so does Jared. I mean after the monster world arc, and after seeing what someone like Indra can do, they both seem like mild opponents rather than real enemies.

I don't hate Cole, on the contrary I do like him, about Jared though, if he's worse than Cole or not I think that's not the thing here, they are both bad guys(though I do agree with you, they are nothing compared to the level of true villain fuckers like Indra, Langdon and Tanos), but on a different sense, Cole's a hothead kid with a heavily damaged mind thanks to his very physical and mental trauma, plus all the shit that come with having been converted into a Spawn so early in life, he constantly beated the shit out of the other wards, his adoptive siblings that Cole did regarded as his family, but I do cut him some slack because again, his powers were the most painful to have as a kid among the wards. Now, Jared is other deal, more than comically evil, he's a creep and a douchebag, which I'm not gonna enter in a debate if that's more or less bad than other stuff, but that's a reason of why he gets a different type of hate and while he has obviously some trauma regarding his Father(whose again, is definitely far worse) is not something we have seen like in Cole's case in which we see him literally being burned as a kid by Xanthe Senior, in and all Cole is simply easier to like even if they both share a similar role in the story.

Though I do agree with some of your points, objectively, Alice, Michael, Syla and hell, the Captains of HERO as a whole have done far more damage than either Cole and Jared combined, that's a fact, reason of which I do believe, Cole's gonna change for the better, in the sense of stop his obsession with Ella, and being more calm and approachable to those around him, Jared though?, I don't think he's gonna get a redemption, mainly because of his connection to his Father.

 

[obibobi]

,the worst he's done is shot Laurie, which.... y'know, it's bad but c'mon, evil route Mc can do 10 times worse shit.

I've seen this argument before and its really confusing, the MC's potential wrongs are irrelevant to whether or not Jared is evil. Yeah sure on the uncaring monster route you can shrug that he tried to kill Laurie as she lay defenceless, or that he wanted to cut up the MC as he lay defenceless, but for a route where you only try and kill in self defence, the Laurie moment was too much.

 

[FenrisTheBurning]

It's fiction, being annoying is a greater sin than being evil. Why does Skylar get way more heat than Walter ever did in Breaking Bad?

 

[KingAgamemnon]

I think Tanos lobotomized Cole. After all, he did say "I'll fix everything wrong with you," which would include his attitude and mentality.

 

[emejejjdm]

Yeah sure on the uncaring monster route you can shrug that he tried to kill Laurie as she lay defenceless, or that he wanted to cut up the MC as he lay defenceless, but for a route where you only try and kill in self defence, the Laurie moment was too much.

I mean really he wasn't doing either of those things, he was aiming for MC and somehow missed and got a perfect kill-shot on a random person he doesn't even know. MC was also far from defenseless, and in Jared's eyes he looked to be at full health. He was really just trying to cheap shot someone he hated, and failed. Still bad, but id say Cole is worse.

 

[BenoTF25]

I think Tanos lobotomized Cole. After all, he did say "I'll fix everything wrong with you," which would include his attitude and mentality.

I hope that's not the case, I think it would be more interesting if Cole just cool down for whatever reason, rather than having his brain forcefully changed. Besides, he doesn't really strike me as a Frankenstein Monster, he look messy and calm, not robotic or anything, and is drinking a beer, not like a Zombie couldn't do that, but seem like something a person with his own drive would choose to, even more a Super who wouldn't get drunk with common beer, so drinking by the flavor(?

 

[Elduriel]

I think Tanos lobotomized Cole. After all, he did say "I'll fix everything wrong with you," which would include his attitude and mentality.

nah, he did something but not that. If you get lobotomized you aren't going to function even remotely normal, much less to be of any value in a fight.

 

[BenoTF25]

I mean really he wasn't doing either of those things, he was aiming for MC and somehow missed and got a perfect kill-shot on a random person he doesn't even know. MC was also far from defenseless, and in Jared's eyes he looked to be at full health. He was really just trying to cheap shot someone he hated, and failed. Still bad, but id say Cole is worse.

In fact, MC(and Alice) was still on the high of his Evolution Trance, even Charlie mentioned that it would be a pain fight with them on such state.

 

[emejejjdm]

While we're on the Topic of Tanos "fixing" Cole, are there any theories why Briar couldn't heal him? Was he just THAT effed up from the fight? We've seen Briar heal people from being split in half, so it cant be that right?

 

[BenoTF25]

Don't think a lot of people go down that scene, but WeirdWorld changed the design of the Horse Monster to a Centaur-like One, probably to avoid issues with Patreon, the new design of the thing:

 

[banbenor]

i feel like it has been a year, when will the 1.0v come out?

 

[TheShelly]

i feel like it has been a year, when will the 1.0v come out?

Next year, probably.

 

[Jonathan Y]

Don't think a lot of people go down that scene, but WeirdWorld changed the design of the Horse Monster to a Centaur-like One, probably to avoid issues with Patreon, the new design of the thing:

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Looks dull and boring in my opinion, the previous version looked terrifying and primal, now he looks like a character from a female written erotic story from Wattpad, I liked the previous version better. I already think WeirdWorld is making romance-able monster girls a bit too human like, especially in comparison to how he draws most monster males, I mean it's ridiculous how we saw these absolutely grotesque, deformed, and grim dark designs for 99% of all male monster species back in the Monster World, and at the same time, almost all female monster partners are just looking like gorgeous human females with some monster parts, I mean it just seemed goofy to me, I think there needs to be more balance.

That's part of the reason I thought WeirdWorld was brave to go outside the box and experiment with the grotesque and ugly in this particular H scene, but now he just looks like hot centaur dude with some weird eyes, meh, fuck Patreon.

Btw I think the same goes for Alice, at first you go : Oh shit Alice is monster now, wow, that's a huge threshold, she left her humanity behind, and then you realize her monster form just has some tattoos, some fangs, larger nails ( or claws whatver ), and some weird energy wings. And ofc noone of those aspects of her transformation matter one bit in the end since she has the ability to change her form to human whenever she wants anyways.

Weird rant but hey, I can't help but see it that way. I really liked that horse.

 

[Abazzaba]

Looks dull and boring in my opinion, I liked the previous version better. I already think WeirdWorld is making romance-able monster girls a bit too human like, especially in comparison to how he draws most monster males, I mean it's ridiculous how we saw these absolutely grotesque, deformed, and grim dark designs for 99% of all male monster species back in the Monster World, and at the same time, almost all female monster partners are just looking like gorgeous human females with some monster parts, I mean it just seemed goofy to me, I think there needs to be more balance.

 

[Jonathan Y]

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Yeeeeeep, hit the nail on the head.

 

[Dinoflaggelate]

While we're on the Topic of Tanos "fixing" Cole, are there any theories why Briar couldn't heal him? Was he just THAT effed up from the fight? We've seen Briar heal people from being split in half, so it cant be that right?

Yeah, it's weird. Briar hypothesizes that Deryl poisoned Cole, but Deryl never mentions that so it's probably not the case. Even if there wasn't a good time to bring it up during the fight, you'd think he would have said something about it when reminiscing afterward. "It sucks Cole survived, but at least I poisoned him and made it so the wounds we gave him will never heal", that sort of thing.

Some other possibilities:

• Tanos said that Cole's knife was unfinished. It seems fully functional from what we see, but maybe there was some negative side effect from the monster parts used that Tanos hadn't purified from it yet.
• Alternatively, Tanos could have intentionally added a side effect, because he finds Cole unpleasant and wanted an excuse to cyberize him. And then he's just pleasantly surprised it happened so fast.
• On the topic of sabotage, Briar could have just been lying about being unable to heal Cole. Cole is the guy who bullies him and who has the affection of the girl he likes, maybe he decided to get some revenge and not heal him.
• This is my most far-out theory, but: It's possible the MC tapped into some unrealized ability to suppress healing. Like combining Body and Memory lets him make a body forget its healthy state. It doesn't seem likely, though.

 

[johndqdo]

Like combining Body and Memory lets him make a body forget its healthy state.

Whoa... now I want to see that.

 

[Hammyak]

While we're on the Topic of Tanos "fixing" Cole, are there any theories why Briar couldn't heal him? Was he just THAT effed up from the fight? We've seen Briar heal people from being split in half, so it cant be that right?

I thought that Cole lost his will to live at that point and resisted Briar's ability