Landro2340

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You know, I just realized something. If the MC does return to the human world at the end of this arc, and he does in fact evolve, as I have predicted, then that sort of implies that his relationship with H.E.R.O. needs to be terminated, at least for narrative reasons. If he remains with H.E.R.O. then he will certainly be given the evolution serum at the earliest possible opportunity, which means we would be at Level 4 for only a short while. So it stands to reason that something has to happen between now and then that causes the MC to need to leave them. I think this will happen by the end of the current arc, to be honest. Or at the very least, during the next arc. There would be plenty of reason for it; the higher ups are feeling that the MC is not as useful as he originally seemed, the fact that the MC has now been coordinating efforts with Ella for some time now, a person H.E.R.O. considers an enemy and will almost certainly reawaken and cause more issues for them, and the fact that there is a growing ideological difference between the MC's group and H.E.R.O. elite. There's also the fact that H.E.R.O. is likely to be considered a bigger issue by both the public and the government, as they've become more overtly militaristic ever since the MC fell into the monster world due to the increase in monsters, and he can escape that bad publicity if he refuses to go back to work for them once he realizes what has happened during that time.
NGL, my eyes did kinda bleed trying to read this shit, so you tryna say the MC has to leave HERO, who have single handedly been keeping the monster invasion at bay, and in doing so, also keeping his friends and LIs safe from the worst of it out of bad PR? The fuck?

Say it does happen like you say, you really think HERO gonna let the MC leave in the first place? Nah son, here's what gonna happen, we get back, Ella breaks free to do her thing and MC will stay with HERO where he will bang Lexi and Nico, and of course the highly anticipated Nyx scene :KEK:
 
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You know, I just realized something. If the MC does return to the human world at the end of this arc, and he does in fact evolve, as I have predicted, then that sort of implies that his relationship with H.E.R.O. needs to be terminated, at least for narrative reasons. If he remains with H.E.R.O. then he will certainly be given the evolution serum at the earliest possible opportunity, which means we would be at Level 4 for only a short while. So it stands to reason that something has to happen between now and then that causes the MC to need to leave them. I think this will happen by the end of the current arc, to be honest. Or at the very least, during the next arc. There would be plenty of reason for it; the higher ups are feeling that the MC is not as useful as he originally seemed, the fact that the MC has now been coordinating efforts with Ella for some time now, a person H.E.R.O. considers an enemy and will almost certainly reawaken and cause more issues for them, and the fact that there is a growing ideological difference between the MC's group and H.E.R.O. elite. There's also the fact that H.E.R.O. is likely to be considered a bigger issue by both the public and the government, as they've become more overtly militaristic ever since the MC fell into the monster world due to the increase in monsters, and he can escape that bad publicity if he refuses to go back to work for them once he realizes what has happened during that time.
He's ineligible for the Serum because he was already forcibly evolved by monster blood.
 
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You know, I just realized something. If the MC does return to the human world at the end of this arc, and he does in fact evolve, as I have predicted, then that sort of implies that his relationship with H.E.R.O. needs to be terminated, at least for narrative reasons. If he remains with H.E.R.O. then he will certainly be given the evolution serum at the earliest possible opportunity, which means we would be at Level 4 for only a short while. So it stands to reason that something has to happen between now and then that causes the MC to need to leave them. I think this will happen by the end of the current arc, to be honest. Or at the very least, during the next arc. There would be plenty of reason for it; the higher ups are feeling that the MC is not as useful as he originally seemed, the fact that the MC has now been coordinating efforts with Ella for some time now, a person H.E.R.O. considers an enemy and will almost certainly reawaken and cause more issues for them, and the fact that there is a growing ideological difference between the MC's group and H.E.R.O. elite. There's also the fact that H.E.R.O. is likely to be considered a bigger issue by both the public and the government, as they've become more overtly militaristic ever since the MC fell into the monster world due to the increase in monsters, and he can escape that bad publicity if he refuses to go back to work for them once he realizes what has happened during that time.
I agree that the MC breaking from H.E.R.O. would make a lot of narrative sense. In fact, he might not even return to H.E.R.O. in the first place. Aos, the fairy that infected Alice, appears at the end of the update. Last we saw of Aos, he was working with the MC's father on some independent operation. It seems very plausible to me that Aos is going to take the party back to wherever he's been working with Steven. At the very least we'll get an exposition dump on what Steven's been up to and how he knows what he knows, but it's also possble that the MC will join his father's work. Then he wouldn't return to H.E.R.O. because he's busy and/or Steven revealed something nefarious about H.E.R.O. that has him not wanting to return.

If Danu is going to be a long-term enemy and the gang is leaving the monster world soon, does that mean she is going to follow them back to their home and play a role in the Monster War arc?
Probably. We do know that the fairies can hijack Hexenringe portals. There's nothing stopping her from traveling between worlds. And I can't imagine that Daione Danu is going to stop hunting Alice just because she returned to Earth, if she was wlling to hunt her over so much of the Monster World.
 
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Then he wouldn't return to H.E.R.O. because he's busy and/or Steven revealed something nefarious about H.E.R.O. that has him not wanting to return.
They so evil man they have:
-Won the Unification war so there's only one World Goverment (no more commies vs capitalist bs)
-Made an eugenics program to make humanity compatible with monsters DNA (poisoning the water!)
-Stopped climatic change and keep the earth's atmosphere clean (Bernie can do that shit apparently)
-Hunt monsters to develop technology and medicine based around them (how dare they cure cancer)
-Gather infected humans and force them into service so they don't get power hungry and cause havoc
-Protect humanity from a monster invasion that started thanks to a big tiddy goth gf (how dare they sabotage my waifu)

Literal Nazis bruh, it digusts me the MC has been forced to be a part of them :cry:
 
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NGL, my eyes did kinda bleed trying to read this shit, so you tryna say the MC has to leave HERO, who have single handedly been keeping the monster invasion at bay, and in doing so, also keeping his friends and LIs safe from the worst of it out of bad PR? The fuck?

Say it does happen like you say, you really think HERO gonna let the MC leave in the first place? Nah son, here's what gonna happen, we get back, Ella breaks free to do her thing and MC will stay with HERO where he will bang Lexi and Nico, and of course the highly anticipated Nyx scene :KEK:
Apologies for my stream of consciousness post formatting.

He's ineligible for the Serum because he was already forcibly evolved by monster blood.
Bramon said that you get two such evolutions before monsterfication becomes unavoidable, or something to that affect. I recall him saying that he was specifically saving our last serum for our level five due to the high likelihood that we fail to achieve it naturally.

They so evil man they have:
-Won the Unification war so there's only one World Goverment (no more commies vs capitalist bs)
-Made an eugenics program to make humanity compatible with monsters DNA (poisoning the water!)
-Stop climatic change and keep the earth's atmosphere clean (Bernie can do that shit apparently)
-Hunt monsters to develop technology and medicine based around them (how dare they cure cancer)
-Gather infected humans and force them into service so they don't get power hungry and cause havoc
-Protect humanity from a monster invasion that started thanks to a big tiddy goth gf (how dare they sabotage my waifu)

Literal Nazis bruh, it digusts me the MC has been forced to be a part of them :cry:
...are you memeing or are you seriously using the fact that H.E.R.O. has engaged in eugenics en masse as a good thing? Like, this is clearly a "might makes right" and "ends justify the means" thing, but its very clearly obvious they are in it for control.
 

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Apologies for my stream of consciousness post formatting.


Bramon said that you get two such evolutions before monsterfication becomes unavoidable, or something to that affect. I recall him saying that he was specifically saving our last serum for our level five due to the high likelihood that we fail to achieve it naturally.


...are you memeing or are you seriously using the fact that H.E.R.O. has engaged in eugenics en masse as a good thing? Like, this is clearly a "might makes right" and "ends justify the means" thing, but its very clearly obvious they are in it for control.
Damn I leave for a few months and come back to see people arguing. Haven't seen people this mad since asura vs kratos. I now this latest update hit
 

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...are you memeing or are you seriously using the fact that H.E.R.O. has engaged in eugenics en masse as a good thing? Like, this is clearly a "might makes right" and "ends justify the means" thing, but its very clearly obvious they are in it for control.
We are in a world setting where humans are the past and superhumans are the next level, so of course, given how common monster attacks were becoming, it does justify wanting to increase the chances of survival whenever someone gets attacked by a monster (plus the benefits of big tiddies in the future, ik Brannon played a hand in that shit :WeSmart:).

Now, they doing it for total control of the world? Idk, they could've taken the world by force had they wanted it ages ago. It is only thanks to Ella's plans that they have been taking a direct approach to things that of course will cause panic in the population.
 

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We are in a world setting where humans are the past and superhumans are the next level, so of course, given how common monster attacks were becoming, it does justify wanting to increase the chances of survival whenever someone gets attacked by a monster (plus the benefits of big tiddies in the future, ik Brannon played a hand in that shit :WeSmart:).

Now, they doing it for total control of the world? Idk, they could've taken the world by force had they wanted it ages ago. It is only thanks to Ella's plans that they have been taking a direct approach to things that of course will cause panic in the population.
Yeah but we know from the seahumans that this doesn't actually lead to victory against the monsters. And even though H.E.R.O. might not know a lot, they should at least be aware of the seahumans and the fact they are now extinct despite obtaining total mastery of the monsters.

This also still doesn't really justify their actions. They're still committing mass eugenics without people's consent or knowledge. They actively rebuffed governmental oversight due to not wanting to share the control over information. And their captains show a definite preference to becoming outright conquerors that care little for the people they lord over.
 
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Yeah but we know from the seahumans that this doesn't actually lead to victory against the monsters. And even though H.E.R.O. might not know a lot, they should at least be aware of the seahumans and the fact they are now extinct despite obtaining total mastery of the monsters.
Why would H.E.R.O. be aware of the seahumans? All of our information was gained outside of H.E.R.O., like visiting Shopkeep, speaking with the vestige, or wandering the ruins of the seahumans' world.
 

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Why would H.E.R.O. be aware of the seahumans? All of our information was gained outside of H.E.R.O., like visiting Shopkeep, speaking with the vestige, or wandering the ruins of the seahumans' world.
From people like Henri, who traverses the Memory World, and was with us when we met the vestige.
 
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Yeah but we know from the seahumans that this doesn't actually lead to victory against the monsters. And even though H.E.R.O. might not know a lot, they should at least be aware of the seahumans and the fact they are now extinct despite obtaining total mastery of the monsters.
Henri is probably aware given that he's digging around the Other World whenever he is stable enough and he keeps yapping they won't be beaten as long as he's around, whether that remains to be true or not in the future is soon to be seen. I doubt they aware of all the details otherwise MC and Ella would've been a higher priority for them to capture or kill (looking at you Deus). Don't need to remind you Alt Humans world got fucked over by a ritual like the one Ella's doing right?

This also still doesn't really justify their actions. They're still committing mass eugenics without people's consent or knowledge. They actively rebuffed governmental oversight due to not wanting to share the control over information. And their captains show a definite preference to becoming outright conquerors that care little for the people they lord over.
Look, I ain't gonna enter some shitty debate of good vs evil, nothing is black and white in this story, simple as that. The whole point of the program is to simply keep humanity alive and make them survive the monster infection, thus creating more superhumans. Why? Because Superhumans can't breed, it is the whole reason behind it all and it's far from perfect and wanna know why? Because the board (AKA the Captains) has been slowing Brannon's advances, we got this confirmed when he was bitching to Dexter and asking him to let him loose in order to move humanity foward given the Monster threat escalation.

Now with that been said, tell me dude, what's the alternative? leaving humanity alone? So that when shit hits the fan there isn't manpower to reduce casualities and keep humans alive? Put it to vote and have humans vote against it 'cause "It's wrong! Everybody should be accepted as they are!"? Yeah good luck with that fam.
 
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Henri is probably aware given that he's digging around the Other World whenever he is stable enough and he keeps yapping they won't be beaten as long as he around, whether that remains to be true or not in the future is soon to be seen. I doubt they aware of all the details otherwise MC and Ella would've been a higher priority for them to capture or kill (looking at you Deus). Don't need to remind you Alt Humans world got fucked over by a ritual like the one Ella's doing right?



Look, I ain't gonna enter some shitty debate of good vs evil, nothing is black and white in this story, simple as that. The whole point of the program is to simply keep humanity alive and make them survive the monster infection, thus creating more superhumans. Why? Because Superhumans can't breed, it is the whole reason behind it all and it's far from perfect and wanna know why? Because the board has been slowing Brannon's advances, we got this confirmed when he was bitching to Dexter and asking him to let him loose in order to move humanity foward given the Monster threat escalation.

Now with that have been said, tell me dude, what's the alternative? leaving humanity alone? So that when shit hits the fan there isn't manpower to reduce casualities and keep humans alive? Put it to vote and have humans vote against it 'cause "It's wrong! Everybody should be accepted as they are!", yeah good luck with that fam.
That's fair, and I don't really intend to argue about good or evil either. I just think it rings very hollow that H.E.R.O. has gone to such lengths and overreach for aims that we know will ultimately fall short of saving humanity. If humanity survives what is to come, H.E.R.O.'s involvement in it will likely be incidental, and their direct actions won't be the reason we win.
 

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From people like Henri, who traverses the Memory World, and was with us when we met the vestige.
First of all, all Henri says he's learned from the vestige is, "their fate, what awaits us. Along with a few personal details about myself."
Second of all, you realise that scene occurs after H.E.R.O. did all the stuff you objected to, right? You think he's gonna time travel to the past to inform them nothing they're doing matters?
 
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