Ren'Py Sweet Affection [v0.10.7] [Naughty Attic Gaming]

joblo9394 · Oct 18, 2023

CtrlF said:
i truly appreciate this game. it's a lovely, romantic story. Clearly, it's a labor of love. The only thing that would improve upon it is if someone can mod it to remove about half of the dialogue, it would make the experience so much more enjoyable...

Big problem with that is at that point it is no longer this game, but instead someone else's vision using the J..D's story as a base and their images. You can not cut words without changing the feel and flow of the story.

Where do you start, where do you end, what is necessary, and what is not. Even just having a conversation with someone small differences can change the entire meaning or conveyed feelings behind it.

Not to mention the shear size of the game. It took J..D years to make this game, and even if you cut out the time used on the visuals that is still a lot of time typing proof reading, and conceptualizing.

Not only would it be a slap in the devs face as for J..D the story they are writing is as can be seen playing the game more important to them then just making something to fap to. The sheer amount of work it would take is more then any Modder would be willing to do. At that point it would be more productive to make your own game instead of rewriting this one.

just looking at the rpy for the bathroom alone it is 17356 lines to go through not to mention making sure you don't screw anything up in the process. So also added debug time as well as the updates will override your work so anyone that would play your mod would be dependent upon it and wouldn't even be able to play a new update until you updated said mod. That would also mean waiting even longer past the public release date for the mod to be updated before you could play a new version.

After all that who is to say you would even like the modder's changes, or how much they would even change. At that point whoever is doing it is going to make it closure to there ideal story so if they dislike x (a cut here), and if they don't like how y happened. (a change there) As the stories are still ongoing they may even make a change that cause irreconcilable inconsistencies down the road. It is in there hands and they can and will do what they want with it.

I am not trying to single you out, and you are nowhere near the first to say this I am just at a mettle high at the moment so can better convey (I feel at least right now) my opinion on it all.

darlic · Oct 18, 2023

joblo9394 said:
You can not cut words without changing the feel and flow of the story.

You definitely can, if you're a good writer

rudy007 · Oct 18, 2023

joblo9394 said:
Big problem with that is at that point it is no longer this game, but instead someone else's vision using the J..D's story as a base and their images. You can not cut words without changing the feel and flow of the story.

Where do you start, where do you end, what is necessary, and what is not. Even just having a conversation with someone small differences can change the entire meaning or conveyed feelings behind it.

Not to mention the shear size of the game. It took J..D years to make this game, and even if you cut out the time used on the visuals that is still a lot of time typing proof reading, and conceptualizing.

Not only would it be a slap in the devs face as for J..D the story they are writing is as can be seen playing the game more important to them then just making something to fap to. The sheer amount of work it would take is more then any Modder would be willing to do. At that point it would be more productive to make your own game instead of rewriting this one.

just looking at the rpy for the bathroom alone it is 17356 lines to go through not to mention making sure you don't screw anything up in the process. So also added debug time as well as the updates will override your work so anyone that would play your mod would be dependent upon it and wouldn't even be able to play a new update until you updated said mod. That would also mean waiting even longer past the public release date for the mod to be updated before you could play a new version.

After all that who is to say you would even like the modder's changes, or how much they would even change. At that point whoever is doing it is going to make it closure to there ideal story so if they dislike x (a cut here), and if they don't like how y happened. (a change there) As the stories are still ongoing they may even make a change that cause irreconcilable inconsistencies down the road. It is in there hands and they can and will do what they want with it.

I am not trying to single you out, and you are nowhere near the first to say this I am just at a mettle high at the moment so can better convey (I feel at least right now) my opinion on it all.

We all love this game because of how much love the developers put into it. There is always the option to remove some text, but that would only work for new players. It just wouldn't be the same experience for me and most "old" players. It would be a good game, but every time the scene ended, you would feel that something was wrong... Like done, but not complete...

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joblo9394 · Oct 19, 2023

darlic said:
You definitely can, if you're a good writer

To cut the text, and still make it have J..D's "feel" would be hard even for a "good writer". Even in main stream media once someone else gets there hand on the script it usually never has that original spark that fans loved so much.

It would need to be a good writer that also codes in python and works with ren'py that will take months out of his life to rewrite the story both condensed, and with the same feel as the original. You would also have to reed through all of it to insure you wrote cohesively. There are parts that both connect to other events, and other levels. So if you take something out and then it is mentioned later there are now inconsistences now you have to take that out as those that played your cut version never saw the prier part, or jut leave them confused.

I've seen it happen with novel translations. You cant cut something that is in the process of being written without causing confusion and in tern the ire of those that read it. Anger both towards the one that edited it for those that know and towards the original creator for those that either don't know or don't care.

As rudy007 said for many of us who like the game for what it is it just wouldn't be the same. When you read everything the little banter here change of expression there it paints a picture. The characters personalities show through. Even the diaries are an added touch that helps add to that picture.

If you liked the game enough to read though everything so as to make a coherent cut version you probably wouldn't cut it in the first place. If you disliked the dialoged enough to want to cut it you wouldn't suffer through reading it all.

Also in the rose event anyone else notice the man in the background in the window with the camera

CtrlF · Oct 19, 2023

joblo9394 said:
Big problem with that is at that point it is no longer this game, but instead someone else's vision using the J..D's story as a base and their images. You can not cut words without changing the feel and flow of the story.

Where do you start, where do you end, what is necessary, and what is not. Even just having a conversation with someone small differences can change the entire meaning or conveyed feelings behind it.

Not to mention the shear size of the game. It took J..D years to make this game, and even if you cut out the time used on the visuals that is still a lot of time typing proof reading, and conceptualizing.

Not only would it be a slap in the devs face as for J..D the story they are writing is as can be seen playing the game more important to them then just making something to fap to. The sheer amount of work it would take is more then any Modder would be willing to do. At that point it would be more productive to make your own game instead of rewriting this one.

just looking at the rpy for the bathroom alone it is 17356 lines to go through not to mention making sure you don't screw anything up in the process. So also added debug time as well as the updates will override your work so anyone that would play your mod would be dependent upon it and wouldn't even be able to play a new update until you updated said mod. That would also mean waiting even longer past the public release date for the mod to be updated before you could play a new version.

After all that who is to say you would even like the modder's changes, or how much they would even change. At that point whoever is doing it is going to make it closure to there ideal story so if they dislike x (a cut here), and if they don't like how y happened. (a change there) As the stories are still ongoing they may even make a change that cause irreconcilable inconsistencies down the road. It is in there hands and they can and will do what they want with it.

I am not trying to single you out, and you are nowhere near the first to say this I am just at a mettle high at the moment so can better convey (I feel at least right now) my opinion on it all.

Thanks for your nuanced reply. I appreciate it, and take no offense in any way. The point of my post was to suggest that perhaps the dialogue can be tightened a bit ideally by the developers, and only suggested a mod because it was clear from early on in the story that J..D is dedicated to telling his story his way. For the most part, I've enjoyed the slow burn of developing / reshaping of love among the three main characters and the dialogues, which add flesh to the bones. Sweet Affection was one of the first AVN's I started on, and remains still one of my favorites. I thoroughly love the hidden cams, text messages, and above all else the diary entries (these are so good!), and think that tightening up the "sweet talks" would help make the entire experience more enjoyable on the whole, especially for us slow readers.

VINDETTA 23333 · Oct 20, 2023

Compressed

BloodyFace · Oct 20, 2023

VINDETTA 23333 said:
Compressed

LQ is the compressed version.

Original size is over 50gb.

J..D · Oct 20, 2023

CtrlF said:
i truly appreciate this game. it's a lovely, romantic story. Clearly, it's a labor of love. The only thing that would improve upon it is if someone can mod it to remove about half of the dialogue, it would make the experience so much more enjoyable...

darlic said:
You definitely can, if you're a good writer

Sweet Affection is a labor of love, you are correct.

I pour so much of myself into this project.
Sweet Affection is not just a game for me, it's not just a job for me.
Sweet Affection is a part of my life and a part of me.
That is the biggest reason why I'm able to put so much time into developing it, purely because I love doing it.

Is it perfect? No.
I am a good writer/developer? Probably not.
The only thing that I'm trying to do is create a beautiful love story between multiple characters.
Every letter that I write and every image that I make is to do justice to all the characters in the game.
They are my main priority and they deserve to have a real story.

I'm not developing this game to create a porn game. (if that was the case, I wouldn't be writing millions of words.)
I'm not developing this game to become rich. (If that was the case, I would have started another project years ago that is faster paced.)
I'm not developing this game to make people happy. (But it makes me extremely proud and happy that so many people love what I'm creating and understand what I'm trying to make. And they are also part of the reason why I push myself this hard, because they deserve that I put as many hours as possible in Sweet Affection.)

But, every scene that I create for M&S, it brings a smile to my face or a tear into my eye.
I have spend thousands of hours with them at this stage, heck I've spend more time with M&S in the past 4/5 years than with my own wife.
They are not just characters to me, they are a part of my life.
Every smile on M her face, every time S giggles when the MC teases her, every time the MC tells them he loves them.
That is not just an image for me, not just words... For me, that is real.

And that is how I've been creating Sweet Affection.
To make them feel as real and alive as possible. (And that is one of the biggest reasons why so many people like Sweet Affection, I think.)
M&S, Suzie, Rose, Donna, Laura, Gina, Kelly, Hazel, Jane, Sidney, Maya, Eve, Lucy, Claire.
All of them, they are a part of me.
And working on their content, bringing them to life. I love it.

And, that is also why I won't ever accept that anyone modifies their content/story.
This is their story, simple as that.
Changing that is not only disrespectful towards me and my team.
But even worse, it's a huge insult to all the characters currently in the game.
I won't accept that and there would be consequences. (this is not directed towards you, just a general statement.)

Having said all that, I do agree that the dialogue could use some smoothing out here and there.
I've been saying that for quite some time, and especially level 5 needs some work.
I have been working on that, but as you can imagine... it's hard to find time to go through all the content in the game when I'm working on new content.
And because of my unique way of writing (Not saying it's good, just unique.) and connection with the characters, I don't trust anyone else to do that for me.

A future project will definitely be a bit more... faster paced.
But, this is what I love doing, so I won't ever stray too far from that.
After all, if you don't love what you create yourself, how can you expect other people to love it.

This entire message was not purely directed at you though.

Every update there is someone requesting the same thing.
Every couple days I get a DM of people suggesting that I should change things.
So I thought I would just leave my thoughts about it here.
But, also perhaps these thoughts explain why I'm so protective about Sweet Affection.

And hopefully give people some insight on why I'm developing Sweet Affection like this.

20GB worth of content... 50GB worth of content.... 100GB worth of content.
3 Million words... 10 Millions words... 50 Million words...
The game will be as big/long as it needs to be until it is 100% completed and I'm happy with all the endings.

(Well, this message turned out to be much, MUCH longer than I wanted it to be.

darlic · Oct 21, 2023

J..D said:
omissis

Nice post, I might not 100% agree with some segments of it but I do realize this is your game, and I'm not here to complain, never had the intention to.

Just for the sake of clarification, I didn’t mean to offend you or any of the other developers when I said “If you’re a good writer”, I was not referring to the current game dialogues.
I was just stating that, in case someone else would take charge of creating a parallel version of the game to smooth out all the dialogues to make the experience more enjoyable for a wider range of users, it would be an easily feasible task to do for someone who is capable enough, without having it lose any of its original beauty and meaning.

(This is just hypothetically speaking, you made it clear you would not accept such changes made to your game)

BloodyFace · Oct 21, 2023

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