Swinging games seem to just be softcore NTR

[ChaosOpen]

One thing I want to get out of the way is saying that I understand that not everyone who likes swinging is into NTR, what I am talking about is the games themselves, and how the creators don't seem to understand the difference.

Generally, you'd expect the partners two couples swap and experience different but not necessarily better sex with someone else; you'd see both parties fumbling through sex then the game ends with either going back to your regular partners or continuing to do it.

However, it seems all swinging games have the following traits which tends to undermine that:

1. The guy having sex with the MC's wife is FAAAAAR better at sex, being able to make the MC's wife cum multiple times in a single session, plus his dick is most likely much larger.
2. The wife is willing to try new things with the other guy that she would never allow her husband to do, and ends up enjoying them
3. A majority of the CG scenes are about the MC's wife and the other guy which are very long and diverse with less than half of them being the MC and the other wife which are in turn mostly very bland and vanilla
4. The MC at some point ends up enjoying the thought of his wife being stolen by this other man

Then also they tend to conclude with either them staying together on the condition that they continue having "swinging sex" or the MC's wife leaves him and the other guy gets a harem. It's as if every one is an NTR but rather than blackmail they use the method of throwing the MC a distraction then slowly corrupting the MC's wife. I've yet to find one with a netori ending where you steal the other guy's wife(would be rather interesting to think that he did it to steal your life only to wind up losing his).

If you have any counter examples of this then I'd love to see them, but every swinging game I've ever seen puts most of its focus on the MC's wife sleeping with another man.

 

[slackster]

Dreaming of Dana
School Dreams 1,2 &3
Meteor

 

[YaBoy]

What you're referring to is more so netorase, and not really 'swinging' per se. Slackster gave good examples of what actual swinging is like. The tags here at F95 are limited in some ways.

 

[ChaosOpen]

What you're referring to is more so netorase, and not really 'swinging' per se. Slackster gave good examples of what actual swinging is like. The tags here at F95 are limited in some ways.

No, netorase is where the cuck asks another man to cuckold him so that he can live the fantasy of the one he loves abandoning him for another man and him being left alone. "Swinging" begins as harmless fun but always ends up turning more insidious, whether it was planned like that from the start or it simply worked out that way, normally the MC winds up with the short end of the stick.

Plus, there is the problem of the H-scenes, not only the number but also the type and variety. Normally, you'd split it up with both parties trying out wild ideas they would never do with their partner, maybe even bringing home what they learned and trying it out with each other. However, that is not what happens, the MC might get a blowjob or some missionary sex, meanwhile your wife is doing anal, deepthroat, bondage, or sex in public, while orgasming multiple times in each session. Then as she limps home exhausted, she simply tells you it was nothing special you need to know about then goes to bed.

 

[DawnCry]

I agree, overall swinging is a genre that I could enjoy because it's theorically the type of game I want, being able to win (get the rival's girlfriend) or lose (your girlfriend chose another bone).

However it's usually really easy to win in those that you can or unavoidable in the others, overall I would say that games with genres such as this requires a bit of a challenge rather than choose the right option to win.

 

[Infidelisoft]

I definitely use swinging as a more interesting plot hook for netorare than blackmail. It allows for a more gradual change as well. I'm personally not interested in netori, redemption stories, or pure netorase but like it when the protagonist is "in over his head" and things turn sour. It's a plot hook for netorare I like very much, but as a genre I would have no interest in it.

There being few visual novels centered around swinging without turning into cheating just means there's less interest in those stories, I think.

 

[ChaosOpen]

I definitely use swinging as a more interesting plot hook for netorare than blackmail. It allows for a more gradual change as well. I'm personally not interested in netori, redemption stories, or pure netorase but like it when the protagonist is "in over his head" and things turn sour. It's a plot hook for netorare I like very much, but as a genre I would have no interest in it.

There being few visual novels centered around swinging without turning into cheating just means there's less interest in those stories, I think.

Your game was one of the main reasons for writing this. Thing is, there are people who like swinging, orgies, and gang bangs but dislike NTR, but whenever they try to find something to scratch that itch, only NTR pops up. That being said, I've always wanted to ask: why didn't you have the MC suggest the swinging? Seems like having him opening up pandora's box only for him to wind up in over his head would make a bit more sense, as well as his actions. Prior to swinging he seems to really dislike the idea, but after all three talk him into it and he grudgingly agrees he suddenly becomes extremely stubborn about continuing, refusing to even entertain the idea of stopping or that things might not be going well.

 

[Infidelisoft]

Your game was one of the main reasons for writing this. Thing is, there are people who like swinging, orgies, and gang bangs but dislike NTR, but whenever they try to find something to scratch that itch, only NTR pops up. That being said, I've always wanted to ask: why didn't you have the MC suggest the swinging? Seems like having him opening up pandora's box only for him to wind up in over his head would make a bit more sense, as well as his actions. Prior to swinging he seems to really dislike the idea, but after all three talk him into it and he grudgingly agrees he suddenly becomes extremely stubborn about continuing, refusing to even entertain the idea of stopping or that things might not be going well.

I didn't want the main character to be assertive but kind of just keep getting swept up in the flow. There's also some differences in writing between the start of the story, the middle, and then again the end because part of the story is the draft written by me (currently the middle) and part of it has been rewritten (the start) or written (the endings) by another writer.

 

[ChaosOpen]

I didn't want the main character to be assertive but kind of just keep getting swept up in the flow. There's also some differences in writing between the start of the story, the middle, and then again the end because part of the story is the draft written by me (currently the middle) and part of it has been rewritten (the start) or written (the endings) by another writer.

But that isn't the internal struggle he is having, his thoughts and actions remind me more of a guy who bought a new grill on impulse so he is throwing a lot of barbecues to try and convince himself that it was a worthwhile investment. Your scenario like a neighbor giving you his old grill because he got a new one. If he was a pushover forced into the situation he wouldn't dismiss his fears of it being a bad idea nor would he intentionally ignore warning signs but would be struggling with working up the courage to tell her to stop. So, the problem isn't that he vehemently denied the warning signs but the result of his inaction to stop something he saw coming. Something akin to being frozen in fear when a car is barreling towards you, you know that it's going to end badly but your own fear keeps you rooted in place. So, I found it odd when that only wife left did the husband accept that it was a bad idea, he should have seen this coming, so it wouldn't take him by surprise like it did, but he would still feel partially responsible because he couldn't work up the courage to stop it in time.

In other words you did write an assertive character, someone who is very assertive about continuing something he doesn't want to do just because he doesn't want to admit it was a bad idea. A passive one is like I said, where he constantly sees things changing for the worse around him and he is constantly trying to talk himself into finally saying something. Though, I think from a literary perspective that method is pretty boring if not aggravating. I think a far more interesting story would be about a guy who thinks he is in control and that swinging is the best thing ever, being an easy and convenient excuse to have sex with other women only to find out he was tricked and his hubris and overconfidence landed him where he is.

 

[khumak]

There are very few games on this site that have much swinger content. Most of them are really NTR games with a little bit of swinger stuff thrown in if any. I think the best swinger content I've seen so far is in Wife Trainer.

 

[Sopra]

Karen's secret really hit the spot for me. It has been while since I've played this game, but from what I remember, it was one of the best swinging experience I could read. I still hope to see more games showing that swinging/sharing can be based on trust and love for the other person and not be simply labeled as corruption or humiliation.

There are more recent games that I wish had done that, like Pandora's Box for example, which introduces the player to swingers. But instead, you are forced on being humiliated or to skip sex scenes, which is fine if that's the goal of the game, but this one made me think that there was a love route when there was not (or I'm too dumb to make the correct choices).

 

[Infidelisoft]

But that isn't the internal struggle he is having, his thoughts and actions remind me more of a guy who bought a new grill on impulse so he is throwing a lot of barbecues to try and convince himself that it was a worthwhile investment. Your scenario like a neighbor giving you his old grill because he got a new one. If he was a pushover forced into the situation he wouldn't dismiss his fears of it being a bad idea nor would he intentionally ignore warning signs but would be struggling with working up the courage to tell her to stop. So, the problem isn't that he vehemently denied the warning signs but the result of his inaction to stop something he saw coming. Something akin to being frozen in fear when a car is barreling towards you, you know that it's going to end badly but your own fear keeps you rooted in place. So, I found it odd when that only wife left did the husband accept that it was a bad idea, he should have seen this coming, so it wouldn't take him by surprise like it did, but he would still feel partially responsible because he couldn't work up the courage to stop it in time.

In other words you did write an assertive character, someone who is very assertive about continuing something he doesn't want to do just because he doesn't want to admit it was a bad idea. A passive one is like I said, where he constantly sees things changing for the worse around him and he is constantly trying to talk himself into finally saying something. Though, I think from a literary perspective that method is pretty boring if not aggravating. I think a far more interesting story would be about a guy who thinks he is in control and that swinging is the best thing ever, being an easy and convenient excuse to have sex with other women only to find out he was tricked and his hubris and overconfidence landed him where he is.

You're thinking about it more than I do. To me an adult title should be nothing more than a list of sex or fetish scenes strung together by a paper-thin plot, much like a sitcom going from joke to joke or an action movie to the next adrenaline-filled scene. There's probably well written erotic literary works, but that's not what I'm interested in reading let alone making.

A story about a guy who thinks he's in control being over his head would be interesting, but if I did something like that the "in over his head" part should happen at a quarter of the story at the latest, preferably much sooner because the confident part is a setup but very boring in terms of actual content to me. I tend to skip through protagonist sex scenes in netorare titles myself. And an overconfident guy having to deal with failure for most of the story sounds like melodrama to me.

 

[MrLakes1579]

I tend to wish there were more good swinging games, because harem makes me feel awkward in the end phase. Where you have this whole group of women who are all ok with you having lots of women (often implied that they really aren't but put up with it because it's better than not having you at all) , but it implies you'd go ballistic if any of them showed the slightest interest in someone else.

I like the experience of being in love with multiple people and trusting them enough to do the same. Like I think Sisterly Lust did a great job with this in moments towards the endgame, where the sisters would be having sex with each other on their own without doing it just to put a show on for you.

Basically I like the variety a harem offers but the actual fantasy makes me self conscious. I like the thought that at the end of the game each of the women I love have at least one other person that they love just as much as they love me, if it's two that I'm already together with the better.

 

[AgriasQuarto]

So far the only game I've seen it done well is Dreaming of Dana, a large majority of the games and eroge tagged swinging uses it as an "excuse" for the NTR to happen. Its frustrating when its the polyamorous/open-relationship aspect that is the main draw of the kink but every dev out there seems to be only interested in using it as a plot device for NTR, which has nothing to do with the kink itself, and the remaining ones claiming to have a swinging route are oft a single scene of one night stand of swapping for the entirety of the game.

 

[ChaosOpen]

So far the only game I've seen it done well is Dreaming of Dana, a large majority of the games and eroge tagged swinging uses it as an "excuse" for the NTR to happen. Its frustrating when its the polyamorous/open-relationship aspect that is the main draw of the kink but every dev out there seems to be only interested in using it as a plot device for NTR, which has nothing to do with the kink itself, and the remaining ones claiming to have a swinging route are oft a single scene of one night stand of swapping for the entirety of the game.

A lot of things are pretty much excuses for NTR:
-Like gangbangs? Well, rather than her being single it is now a wife/girlfriend who prefers sex with several other men to her husband.

-Like corruption? Well now instead of featuring a cute and innocent girl with no sexual experience she is now a loyal and devoted housewife.

-Liked those ebony girls? Well those don't exist, interracial is black guys stealing the girlfriend of tiny dicked white guys.

-Impregnation? Yeah by another man.

-Incest? For some reason a boy who has a crush on his sister and that sister sleeping with the father has now become a thing I'm starting to see disturbingly often.

-Femdom? Watch a girl have sex with someone else while she insults the size of your penis.

-Female+female+male? Watch a guy date your daughter and your wife at the same time.

-Futanari? Watch chicks with dicks steal your wife

-Lesbian? Yup, you're so bad in bed she goes and finds a woman.

The forum is starting to become some twisted form of rule 34, if there is porn of it, someone has made an NTR game about it.

 

[MrLakes1579]

-Lesbian? Yup, you're so bad in bed she goes and finds a woman.

Honestly there aren't enough of these, not normally into NTR but I'd like a good lesbian NTR game that goes to the extreme of her not just rejecting you but your entire gender.

 

[Meridian]

You are talking about ntr games with some swinging thrown in as a plot instrument. I played a lot of games but never really encountered a game that is about swinging. 99.9% of games here you are either horsedicked protagonist who has every women or you are tiny dick loser who gets cucked into oblivion. Nothing in the middle.

 

[slackster]

You are talking about ntr games with some swinging thrown in as a plot instrument. I played a lot of games but never really encountered a game that is about swinging. 99.9% of games here you are either horsedicked protagonist who has every women or you are tiny dick loser who gets cucked into oblivion. Nothing in the middle.

Club Velvet Rose

 

[AgriasQuarto]

I don't think I've played the expansion, but the majority of CVR has the wife tasking the husband with running around doing chores and favors for the males in order for her to get laid, the club more or less function as an all-you-can-eat sex buffet to her but if the husband displays any sort of affection towards any other females its a short-cut to the variations of bad ends. Most of the scenes/endings revolve around which penis the wife prefers over the husband's, scenes involving the husband mostly revolve around duping the wife long enough to get laid without her consent.
Those aren't quite the recipe I would pin as a swinging focused game.

 

[Zamel_]

You just described Swing and Miss