VN Ren'Py SWM: The Lurking Shadow [v2.0] [Mortze]

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Mortze

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You're not wrong. Correcting grammar and typos is one thing. The use of "suggested prose" appears to be very heavy in the back half of that update.

I think most people could understand you being a non-native English speaker. I don't think anyone is expecting something they're downloading from this website to be The Grapes of Wrath. But we can do better than AI word diarrhoea, surely?
Do better? I must most humbly disagree.
The difference in text from Episode 1 and Episode 2 is blatant in my opinion, due to using AI to help make the text way richer and grammatically correct. I do not have the ability to come up with synonyms, metaphors, and parables in a language that isn't my own, and that may be due to my lack of experience in reading English novels.

You may not like AI prose and I totally get that. Some may not like my genuine English form from Episode 1 or Pandora because it's clumsy, childish and totally wrong at times.
When it comes to taste you and everyone else are entitled to your opinion.

But it's WRONG to state that AI wrote the story. In creative work, writing a story imply defining the plot, the theme, the tone, the emotions, the characters, the whole narrative, and let me tell you, AI had nothing to do with any of that.

You may perhaps not know it but I always make the pictures first. The writing comes after. This means that I know what the scene will be about, what the characters are saying, feeling, and doing, before any word is put on "paper".
Then I write a draft, dialogues and descriptions. And only then AI comes in to embelish and correct.
It's a tool.
You are entitled to not like it as much as someone not liking 3D rendering instead of real painting.

AI did not wrote the story.
 

Tlaero

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I think most people could understand you being a non-native English speaker. I don't think anyone is expecting something they're downloading from this website to be The Grapes of Wrath. But we can do better than AI word diarrhoea, surely?
I suspect it's as hard for a non-native speaker to recognize "AI speak" as it would be to write it. The problem with the phrases that you're objecting to is fairly subtle. I certainly wouldn't be able to tell if they were written in a language I wasn't fluent in.

If you want to be helpful, post a snippet or two of the parts that really bother you, describe why they're bad, and suggest alternatives. Make it a teachable moment.

Tlaero
 

AmanRocky

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You're not wrong. Correcting grammar and typos is one thing. The use of "suggested prose" appears to be very heavy in the back half of that update.

I think most people could understand you being a non-native English speaker. I don't think anyone is expecting something they're downloading from this website to be The Grapes of Wrath. But we can do better than AI word diarrhoea, surely?
But doesn't your comment represent that it's not only AI that can spel out word diarrhoea? As folks who have experienced this story over the course of time, and who are well versed with the quality of Tora Productions, your comment would the only diarrhoea I can identify so far.
 

Ferlucio

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Do better? I must most humbly disagree.
The difference in text from Episode 1 and Episode 2 is blatant in my opinion, due to using AI to help make the text way richer and grammatically correct. I do not have the ability to come up with synonyms, metaphors, and parables in a language that isn't my own, and that may be due to my lack of experience in reading English novels.

You may not like AI prose and I totally get that. Some may not like my genuine English form from Episode 1 or Pandora because it's clumsy, childish and totally wrong at times.
When it comes to taste you and everyone else are entitled to your opinion.

But it's WRONG to state that AI wrote the story. In creative work, writing a story imply defining the plot, the theme, the tone, the emotions, the characters, the whole narrative, and let me tell you, AI had nothing to do with any of that.

You may perhaps not know it but I always make the pictures first. The writing comes after. This means that I know what the scene will be about, what the characters are saying, feeling, and doing, before any word is put on "paper".
Then I write a draft, dialogues and descriptions. And only then AI comes in to embelish and correct.
It's a tool.
You are entitled to not like it as much as someone not liking 3D rendering instead of real painting.

AI did not wrote the story.
Any other projects you've got in the works or is all focus on this one now?
 

Tlaero

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Mortze and I mostly work together, but sometimes do side projects on our own. SWM is one of Mortze's side projects. Right now, we're working together on other things.

Tlaero
 
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