RPGM Sword Art Online: The Trap of Breath Concealed Magic [Part 2 v0.80] [Fujino]

[eldorado14]

The ntr in the Chainsawman game is actually interesting, because the only one who actually "falls" in that game is Kobeni, who is not a romantic interest for the protagonist. While Makima does get fucked, she isn't exactly taken away from the protagonist in any way that is common in the genre. She wasn't even taking pleasure from the sex, instead using it to gain political favors.

Denji, who absolutely loves Makima in the game's universe actually gets to have sex and enjoy himself with her quite a bit, which is also rare for a game where the heroine and MC weren't already in a relationship before the NTR happened. Yet, at the same time, while his love interest wasn't stolen, he was certainly made a cuckold as she was getting fucked behind his back constantly, and while she took his first time, she had a pussy filled with someone's else cum.

All in all, it was an interesting development for a NTR game since they don't usually develop in such a way.
Although, I personally liked Sakura's chapter and SAO much more, I would say his Onsen game was the most original game from Fujino as of yet.

I would say that's the characteristic of the original material that Fujino used cleverly, instead of overwriting those personalities for the sake of NTR. SAO and Chainsaw games are a bit different from usual Fujino style writing, for sure. But that just means they have grown as a writer. Main draw of Fujino games are their high quality animation work, typically. SAO is not that different, to be sure. Writing and characters feel a lot different from the original work, so Fujino must have taken quite certain creative liberties to make it an NTR scenario like this, as AlterInfernalAllius said.

 

[4-kun]

We are not talking about the same fate for women. A slut is someone with multiple sex partners. Fujino only finished the Chainsaw Man Hot Springs and Scathach game. Since I don't remember what happened at the end of Scathach so I will focus on Chainsaw game. At the end of that game the girls become sex-crazed for the guy and only that guy. That doesn't make them sluts.

The only sluts in this game are Suguha (if you count her online prostitutions), Sinon (unwillingly by Hebishima), and maybe Kyouko (depending on how many lovers she had before Inoda). I guess what you meant by slut was the girls will be sex-crazed. If you play as the guy corrupting the woman and if she becomes sex-crazed for you, then isn't the best outcome. You changed the woman to make her to see you, not sex, as the most important thing in her life. If she becomes a slut who gets off with anyone's dick then you are nothing special, just another warm dildo. The usual fate for woman who becomes sluts is becoming the town bicycle for everyone else to use which is not something Fujino has done for his main characters, unless it happened in Scathach, and is just wasteful for me. If she just becomes sexually open only when with the guy and mostly stays the same other times then it is just a happy ending for both parties.

Smart-ass mode on: Let's get some terminology clear.

A cheater should be clear.
A slut is someone who doesn't care whom they have sex with.
A prostitute does it for something in exchange, typically money.
A polygamous person has different partners but decides for themselves who these partners are.

I think the only person in Fujino's games who would be considered a "slut" is Saber from Nero.
As for Asuna she is a polygamous cheater.
Liz is poly.
Suguha poly prostitute (VR)
Shinon prostitute (forced)

smart-ass off

 

[kinglionheart]

Smart-ass mode on: Let's get some terminology clear.

A cheater should be clear.
A slut is someone who doesn't care whom they have sex with.
A prostitute does it for something in exchange, typically money.
A polygamous person has different partners but decides for themselves who these partners are.

I think the only person in Fujino's games who would be considered a "slut" is Saber from Nero.
As for Asuna she is a polygamous cheater.
Liz is poly.
Suguha poly prostitute (VR)
Shinon prostitute (forced)

smart-ass off

If we use your terminology then Suguha is still a slut. You think she cared about any of her clients beyond them paying her? Also Liz can't be poly since she has no partners.

 

[SixDates]

If we use your terminology then Suguha is still a slut. You think she cared about any of her clients beyond them paying her? Also Liz can't be poly since she has no partners.

Wasn't it the case that Suguha, somehow, became the top VR prostitute *without* sleeping with any client?
She definitely is a sex worker, but handjobs/oral, in a virtual game is a bit different from the general idea of a slut/whore/prostitute.

At the very least I would be more likely to call current Suguha batshit insane than a slut

 

[4-kun]

If we use your terminology then Suguha is still a slut. You think she cared about any of her clients beyond them paying her? Also Liz can't be poly since she has no partners.

It's not only about caring; it's also about choice. A slut just jumps on anyone or is just being used, but Suguha picks her clients herself and also refuses others, like Hebeshima. That's the difference.

As for Liz, she has sexual partners, Inoda and Kirito, no penetration for now, but other sexual acts.

 

[kinglionheart]

Wasn't it the case that Suguha, somehow, became the top VR prostitute *without* sleeping with any client?
She definitely is a sex worker, but handjobs/oral, in a virtual game is a bit different from the general idea of a slut/whore/prostitute.

At the very least I would be more likely to call current Suguha batshit insane than a slut

She can be both. Slut should still count without penetration if you consider someone can be poly or a prostitute without penetration. Again only going by 4ung-4ang's terminology. The general definition of a slut is someone with multiple sexual partners. So again all depends on whether you consider no penetration acts sexual acts.

It's not only about caring; it's also about choice. A slut just jumps on anyone or is just being used, but Suguha picks her clients herself and also refuses others, like Hebeshima. That's the difference.

As for Liz, she has sexual partners, Inoda and Kirito, no penetration for now, but other sexual acts.

Fine, going by your terminology then no one in this game is a slut. Not even Kyouko or Suguha. Can we at least agree that no one in the game will become a slut? They will become sex-crazed succubus for their man (i.e. Inoda for Asuna, Liz, and Kyouko) but not sluts?

 

[4-kun]

Slut should still count without penetration if you consider someone can be poly or a prostitute without penetration. Again only going by 4ung-4ang's terminology. The general definition of a slut is someone with multiple sexual partners. So again all depends on whether you consider no penetration acts sexual acts.


Fine, going by your terminology then no one in this game is a slut. Not even Kyouko or Suguha. Can we at least agree that no one in the game will become a slut? They will become sex-crazed succubus for their man (i.e. Inoda for Asuna, Liz, and Kyouko) but not sluts?

I'm aware that the word "slut" is often used as a general statement, mostly due to personal disagreement about someone's behavior.

Btw, I wasn't arguing against your points.

I just wanted to ensure we are all discussing the same meanings of things because I believe it matters when discussing character development and personalities.

 

[AlterInfernalAllius]

Slut should still count without penetration if you consider someone can be poly or a prostitute without penetration. Again only going by 4ung-4ang's terminology. The general definition of a slut is someone with multiple sexual partners. So again all depends on whether you consider no penetration acts sexual acts.


Fine, going by your terminology then no one in this game is a slut. Not even Kyouko or Suguha. Can we at least agree that no one in the game will become a slut? They will become sex-crazed succubus for their man (i.e. Inoda for Asuna, Liz, and Kyouko) but not sluts?

I'm aware that the word "slut" is often used as a general statement, mostly due to personal disagreement about someone's behavior.

Btw, I wasn't arguing against your points.

I just wanted to ensure we are all discussing the same meanings of things because I believe it matters when discussing character development and personalities.

I mean, it doesn't help that beyond Fujino's writing becoming quite a bit confusing in some aspects of how the girls REALLY are, especially as how it contradicts first the source material and then itself (Between Asuna's extreme hypocrisy and then Suguha actually managing to fully overturn her Predetermined NTR Fate, which I'm pretty sure is also a first in Fujino games), and THEN you add another layer of bullshit/confusion by how the characters all have that dumb "It doesn't count at all if done in VR"-rule, which completely contradicts the point of OG SAO but the writing and in-universe every single one treats it like gospel: Asuna with her excuses about why she's NOT cheating of Kirito by letting Inoda fuck her silly in VR, Liz for why her using Inoda for 'practice' in VR isn't an issue, Suguha why becoming a prostitute in VR for the sake of money (Used, ironically, to get things to further let her go the yandere path with her big brother lol) isn't actually her being a slut, etc.

To be 100% clear, when I said "a slut" before was basically a girl whose original personally is completely overwritten by being horny, not someone who just didn't care about fucking/being fucked by literally everyone. If it was by your definition then indeed nobody of Fujino's main females in the Fate games was a 'slut' because they only really fucked one person (2 in the case of Sakura), but the way they acted with the NTR guy completely overwriting their real personalities until it started to actually leak out even when they weren't having sex was what I was referring to :O

However, yeah, I think this discussion may have gotten a bit too deep and complex while I was away, let's just make sure we technically don't deviate from the game's topic and get the thread locked again XP

 

[Deleted member 6593176]

I liked the game, but I don't understand why to make the main character of the anime a playable character, it would be better to have an Inode acting right away, in my opinion it was more interesting to perform tasks to debauch Asuna and other presages of girls.

 

[ElizYori]

I liked the game, but I don't understand why to make the main character of the anime a playable character, it would be better to have an Inode acting right away, in my opinion it was more interesting to perform tasks to debauch Asuna and other presages of girls.

In my opinion if it was that way it wouldn't be a ntr it would become just another average game where the MC has big dick and fucks couples and married people, in ntr the biggest part is we being the ones having our significant other corrupted.

 

[4-kun]

In my opinion if it was that way it wouldn't be a ntr it would become just another average game where the MC has big dick and fucks couples and married people, in ntr the biggest part is we being the ones having our significant other corrupted.

Hm actually, many people don't see it like this. From my feeling from previous conversations, most people either don't like to play the cuck, don't invest at all in the MC, or just don't care for the plot at all.

 

[crazy1st]

I liked the game, but I don't understand why to make the main character of the anime a playable character, it would be better to have an Inode acting right away, in my opinion it was more interesting to perform tasks to debauch Asuna and other presages of girls.

then it will be netori games not just simply netorare...
i dont mind that kind of game myself it can also be good, but if i need to choose then i will preffer the MC to be a chad, not a weak shit like inoda...

 

[4-kun]

then it will be netori games not just simply netorare...
i dont mind that kind of game myself it can also be good, but if i need to choose then i will preffer the MC to be a chad, not a weak shit like inoda...

Understandable. to be fair, going purely by physical appearance, Inoda seems like he could eat Kirito alive, having at least double his mass.

 

[bakasuss098742]

there's a bug after the box quest with lizz in part two. lizz gets stuck with kirito in real world for some reason, and when kirito goes to work, everything gets black. how to solve this problem?

 

[yudge80]

Anyone with a 6/10 save? checked all saves posted but couldnt find one with a save on the 6/10, im bugged at the gym event and cant move on even with old saves.
thanks

 

[albakr0ss]

Most likely a weekly update tomorrow, probably going to announce releasing in a few days too just have to do last minute testing. Let’s hope for a good one boys.

 

[AlterInfernalAllius]

Most likely a weekly update tomorrow, probably going to announce releasing in a few days too just have to do last minute testing. Let’s hope for a good one boys.

Certainly looking forward to it! Even if she's not getting any H-scenes I'm looking forward to more of how Sugu's story develops specially (Kinda like how Sinon didn't get any H-scenes last update but we still saw more of her story's development, and now she's getting at least one this upcoming update).

 

[SixDates]

I have thought about this since the last update dropped, and while we were talking about if Fujino could finish the game with part 2 or if he would need to make part 3 happen, but now that it has been practically confirmed that we will get a new part at some point, I believe we will get confirmation about the Hebishima situation as part 2 comes to a closure.

If the 'get rid of Hebishima' poll ended up winning, than I can’t see him making it to the next game still involved with the poll, so one way or another we will known.

If Sinon or Sugu end up pulling a School Days ending on him, I'm betting all my imaginary savings that it will need to happen during the climax of part 2. (What would happen to their character during part 3? No idea.)

 

[Deleted member 6593176]

In my opinion if it was that way it wouldn't be a ntr it would become just another average game where the MC has big dick and fucks couples and married people, in ntr the biggest part is we being the ones having our significant other corrupted.

Well, it seems to me that nothing has changed, it was still ntr, they just wouldn't play for the main character Kirito, but for Inode. So it would be possible to come up with more scenes of Inode and Asuna, a task where we develop a plan for corrupting Asuna for Inode, and Kirito is so purely a background puppet. as an example, it would be great and I hope such a scene will be work-related when Kirito goes to a cafe to get a breakfast for Asuna, returns to work and meets Inode there, he says that Krito has a gift for Assuna, and Krito does not have access to the upper floor and he gives him Inode that betrayed or that offers and Inode with Asuna is a new picaresque scene at work, well, something like that

 

[Deleted member 6593176]

then it will be netori games not just simply netorare...
i dont mind that kind of game myself it can also be good, but if i need to choose then i will preffer the MC to be a chad, not a weak shit like inoda...

Well, I think that's the point of NTR. If the main character is a fucker of everything and everyone, then it's already NTR