RPGM Sword Art Online: The Trap of Breath Concealed Magic [Part 2 v0.80] [Fujino]

[SixDates]

For example, if a partner is being tricked or forced into cheating but in the end comes back after overcoming the challenge, it's still NTR

Depending what you mean by that I may agree or disagree with your take on NTR.

If by coming back you mean that the adulterer continues sleeping with her rapist/blackmailer after the situation is resolved, then it obviously counts as NTR.

On the other hand, if the person goes back to their lover and continues being a loving partner, cutting off the affair, then I would say that even if the person cheated, it doesn't really count as NTR.

For example, to take this point and drag it back to SAO so the thread doesn't get closed, if Asuna were to end things with Inoda right now, booked a couple's therapist for her and Kirito, and told him to focus more on foreplay during sex, I would say that the game wouldn't really be NTR. It would just be cheating, as for me NTR requires a lover to be stolen in one way or another, be it their mind, heart or body.

 

[baddadbaddad456]

Wich version of part one do I download

 

[4-kun]

Depending what you mean by that I may agree or disagree with your take on NTR.

If by coming back you mean that the adulterer continues sleeping with her rapist/blackmailer after the situation is resolved, then it obviously counts as NTR.

On the other hand, if the person goes back to their lover and continues being a loving partner, cutting off the affair, then I would say that even if the person cheated, it doesn't really count as NTR.

For example, to take this point and drag it back to SAO so the thread doesn't get closed, if Asuna were to end things with Inoda right now, booked a couple's therapist for her and Kirito, and told him to focus more on foreplay during sex, I would say that the game wouldn't really be NTR. It would just be cheating, as for me NTR requires a lover to be stolen in one way or another, be it their mind, heart or body.

It's fine to disagree, but I have to admit your argument doesn't make sense to me. If we take your example and say it's the cheating genre, by your logic, it shouldn't be considered cheating if Asuna and Kirito get back together. The cheating happened, just as NTR happens; the conclusion of the story doesn't change that. A genre isn't determined by its conclusion, but by its genre-defining processes.

Or to take a non-sexual genre, if an isekai story ends with the MC going back to their world, it's still an isekai story. Similarly, in a detective story, whether the MC solves the case or not doesn't change the fact that it's a detective story about someone who is trying to solve a case.

Ironically, I see this game as cheating for now because Kirito doesn't suffer from the cheating as I would expect from NTR; he simply can't because the admin is deleting his suspicion and memory

 

[eldorado14]

The only unrealistic part of NTR that I find most off-putting is, when it comes to female lead returning to MC or vice versa, is the fact that long term relationships require mutual trust and respect. NTR takes these away by stages. Once trust is broken, it is incredibly hard to regain it, your partner will always be suspicious, and you will never really return to the days when both of you were truly in love.

Naturally, when the female lead admits to it, and tries to return to MC, it shouldn't be that easy, even if you are into cucking, because trust is everything in a relationship. Even in swinging and cuckoldry lifestyles, without boundaries, you just break up or get divorced. It happens a lot in real life. NTR logic takes priority over a lot of things, same with porn logic, but this is one of my pet peeves.

 

[SixDates]

If we take your example and say it's the cheating genre, by your logic, it shouldn't be considered cheating if Asuna and Kirito get back together

This doesn't quite make a lot of sense? As in the example I gave Kirito and Asuna get together in the end, but it was still considered cheating by my definition.

For example, let's just say that for arguments sake, Inoda after the stormy night happened in the climax of part 1, went out of the house and got hit by a truck and transported to another world, never to be seen again. Asuna is very sad for awhile, Kirito less so but he still laments what happened, then six months later they have both moved on, and their relationship slowly goes back to what it was before.

At the end of the day, was Asuna stolen?

Let's make another example then, Asuna's mom and dad aren't separated in another universe, yet one time she goes out to drink and gets fucked in a bathroom stall by some tanned teen that suspiciously looks a lot like Hebishima. The two of them never meet ever again, did she get NTRed, or was she simply cheating?

Or to take a non-sexual genre, if an isekai story ends with the MC going back to their world, it's still an isekai story. Similarly, in a detective story, whether the MC solves the case or not doesn't change the fact that it's a detective story about someone who is trying to solve a case.

Let's say that you are reading a murder mystery novel, instead of a normal detective novel, the whole book until the final 30 pages focused on finding the killer of a highschool girl who went missing only leaving behind a small pool of blood on her bed. But it is suddenly revealed that she never died, instead she just had a very heavy period, and that she went off in a mystical journey to find a mountain of ice cream, and the climax of the novel is the detective retiring and living together with the school girl as they both manage an ice cream shop.

Beside reading the worst thing ever put on paper in human history, at the end of the day, were you actually reading a murder mystery if no one got murdered?

 

[Deleted member 6593176]

Is there any news when the next update will be?

 

[SixDates]

Is there any news when the next update will be?

We will get a report from Fujino tomorrow, in less than 24 hours, if we are lucky we might get the update (although I would bet on it myself)

 

[SORM1158]

renew? It should be Thursday or Friday.

 

[Deleted member 6593176]

We will get a report from Fujino tomorrow, in less than 24 hours, if we are lucky we might get the update (although I would bet on it myself)

Thank you for the information

 

[AlterInfernalAllius]

Truth be told, only Fujino knows. In this game, anything is possible. We can only guess. Suguha will likely go her yandere route even further. Sinon, idk, she doesn't have any male characters besides Hebishima she's connected with; maybe she'll move to Sakura's village.

It is also possible that a new NTR guy will be introduced in Part 3. There is also Agil, or even Klein after loosing Alice

Ironically, Sinon not making it to the supposed 'Part 3' if it happens would be kinda sad, despite how minor it is I still liked her character more than Alice, probably because both being borderline OCs compared to their original characters at least Sinon didn't feel as forced into the game's plot as Police girl Alice did XP

Also, the entire point Hebishima being removed came up even in the first place wasn't because Fujino didn't like him, it was because he wanted to REDUCE CONTENT UNRELATED TO THE MAIN STORY, LMAO. By that logic, introducing even more "NTR guys" is literally the opposite of what he would want to do if he got rid of Hebishima, ending his storyline was the whole point he put that poll in the first place.

Suguha has neatly folded herself into the main story by going yandere for Kirito so she no longer needs him and Sinon seems basically all but confirmed at this point that she will be who gets rid of him, but regardless of if that means she also exits the story or not I don't think Fujino would make yet another character into a NTR guy for her/Suguha because that would defeat the entire point of removing Hebishima XD

Also, watch out, that almost 2-pages-long talk about what is NTR seemed dangerously close to something that could get the thread banned again, which we wouldn't want to happen right before the next update AGAIN.

 

[4-kun]

This doesn't quite make a lot of sense? As in the example I gave Kirito and Asuna get together in the end, but it was still considered cheating by my definition.

For example, let's just say that for arguments sake, Inoda after the stormy night happened in the climax of part 1, went out of the house and got hit by a truck and transported to another world, never to be seen again. Asuna is very sad for awhile, Kirito less so but he still laments what happened, then six months later they have both moved on, and their relationship slowly goes back to what it was before.

At the end of the day, was Asuna stolen?

Let's make another example then, Asuna's mom and dad aren't separated in another universe, yet one time she goes out to drink and gets fucked in a bathroom stall by some tanned teen that suspiciously looks a lot like Hebishima. The two of them never meet ever again, did she get NTRed, or was she simply cheating?




Let's say that you are reading a murder mystery novel, instead of a normal detective novel, the whole book until the final 30 pages focused on finding the killer of a highschool girl who went missing only leaving behind a small pool of blood on her bed. But it is suddenly revealed that she never died, instead she just had a very heavy period, and that she went off in a mystical journey to find a mountain of ice cream, and the climax of the novel is the detective retiring and living together with the school girl as they both manage an ice cream shop.

Beside reading the worst thing ever put on paper in human history, at the end of the day, were you actually reading a murder mystery if no one got murdered?

Exactly, that's what I'm saying. It doesn't make sense, but that was your example, just replacing 'NTR' with 'cheating'.

As I stated already, without the focus on a partner suffering from the cheating, it's not NTR for me, just cheating. I think it's best if we leave it at that and agree to disagree.

 

[Maukiz]

Can anyone fix this?, I'm playing on joiplay

 

[Hypno133]

Exactly, that's what I'm saying. It doesn't make sense, but that was your example, just replacing 'NTR' with 'cheating'.

As I stated already, without the focus on a partner suffering from the cheating, it's not NTR for me, just cheating. I think it's best if we leave it at that and agree to disagree.

NTR or Cheating the female will still be a bitch xD that's my opinion unless her parnter is 100% dickhead that doesn't even treat her as human being in that case she just want to feel more loved and safe and blah blah blah
cheating and NTR have a lot of similarities like it's sometimes almost impossible to tell the difference

 

[TyrantVirus]

Today is Monday!

 

[AnzaiNTRfan]

So an update is expected today, but I think it wouldn't be a surprise if it's just a report and the update only on Thursday, remembering that he made a bonus game that should come out in July.

 

[gaka200]

Today is Monday!

Give it another 4 - 8 hours before a progress report comes up.

 

[soltyice]

Update will probably drop after working hours

 

[ron34]

I hope he drops the update today, even if it's small.

 

[AlterInfernalAllius]

Reminder to everyone to keep their expectations low given its still almost a week before the end of the month even if it's the last Monday. While Fujino could pleasantly surprise us, hoping that a report comes out today and the actual update in a few is the more realistic thing :O

 

[SixDates]

I have already posted about my thoughts regarding when the update will come before, so instead of joining the conversation about it, let me just say that I want more battle harassment scenes, and scenes related to them as well.
The sewer and bandit scenes of part 1 and the threehouse storm from part 2 are my favorite scenes of the whole SAO.

So I'm hoping for similar scenes in the future, with Kirito (not really) struggling in battle as Asuna's eyes roll into the back of her head while Inoda punish her uterus with his meat stick.