RPGM Sword Art Online: The Trap of Breath Concealed Magic [Part 2 v0.80] [Fujino]

[AlterInfernalAllius]

Well, the whole downwards spiral of Hebishima's life might be a set up for what we have already seen him do with Sinon. Drugging her and literally selling her off to the nearest ugly bastard for a few bucks. Fujino could have push him down to give an explanation as to why he would do the same with Suguha even if he previously acted possessive of her. Although Suguha becoming a town's whore, virtually or not, might not be what most of us wants, it could still happen.

How much is there left until the game ends? I believe that at the bear minimum we have 7 to 8 updates to go through, probably even more, so if that were the case. What would Fujino do during the remaining of the game when 2 out of his 5 heroines don't have a partner for """NTR""" sex? We are way too late into the story for Suguha or Sinon to get a new "bull", so Hebishima is still needed in my eyes.

I would have been more optimistic about the possibility of Suguha cutting off Hebishima and her "fallen" future had everything that happened, occurred later when Asuna was closer to completly be corrupted. As of now we have way too much game to go through without further corruption for them.

To be clear, I don't disagree with you. Those are all valid points, and I would like things to play out that way.
But from a development and game flow perspective, I have my doubts. If Sugu goes fully for Kirito, I'm asking myself how far it can go and how the scenes will develop. There isn't much scene diversity to pull off from a dude just lying around. That's what makes me think that there will be someone else around Sugu. If not Hebi, then someone else needs to fill the gap. Maybe she will just work in the undercity and we will get new scenes from there, but it's a bit uninspiring, tbh. As for now, it's really hard to tell what will happen; there are way too many uncertainties. I guess we need to wait for more updates.

Putting aside that everyone's assumptions of how much of the game may be left could be completely wrong, especially as Fujino's writing could super-speed-up at any moment and still be faithful to his usual way of writing games (Which IMO it already has given how fast Asuna's second full-on-willing sex scene with Asuna is happening, VR or not), the things is that Hebishima can't really do that to Sugu because he SAID IT OUT LOUD IN FRONT OF HER XD She even got mad about it and told him to fuck off when he did, with such a blatant writting-hook there is no way that ends up happening when she's not only no longer even remotely the naive girl Fujino wrote her as for it to happen originally (Canon Suguha would have never been convinced to drink a spiked drink from Hebishima in the first place), she's not gonna just let him drug her at all and clearly has started outwitting him in general, so at this point the only REAL way Hebishima could "get her back" is if she was still addicted to his dick, which all plot-points seem to point otherwise.

Idk, maybe is because I'm taking Fujino's writing with another view based on previous games and the completely unexpected twists that happened with Suguha's plot that are so out of left field both for him and NTR games in general, but I really can't see why Suguha just taking advantage of Kirito can't be her new way of generating scenes after Hebishima is gone. Reminder, unlike Inoda, Sugu is part of the "problem" most people bitched to Fujino about so much that took away from the main plot, so him doing whatever he wants with her character wouldn't really be an issue, not that he hasn't already: DO you think that most of the people who came to this game just to see "SAO NTR", or more like to see Asuna being stolen from Kirito, had any real positive reaction to Suguha suddenly going down this route XP? Fujino was already pissing people off by doing this at all and by not making this game "95% Inoda fucking Asuna and just 5% of the other characters showing up", so he may as well keep doing his own thing even if he keeps going against the 'cliche standards'. Therefore Suguha doesn't really NEED 'someone else' to fuck her if she has fully taken control of her own route now as she seemingly has XP

But yeah, at the end of the day this is all just speculation on both sides, especially as we have acknowledged it's not impossible for Fujino to still throw all that development to the trash and have her once again fall to Hebishima's dick despite everything pointing otherwise, so I guess this next update may be what fully decides what he's gonna do with her. One week or so to see it, regardless of what happens!

 

[SixDates]

Putting aside that everyone's assumptions of how much of the game may be left could be completely wrong, especially as Fujino's writing could super-speed-up at any moment and still be faithful to his usual way of writing games (Which IMO it already has given how fast Asuna's second full-on-willing sex scene with Asuna is happening, VR or not), the things is that Hebishima can't really do that to Sugu because he SAID IT OUT LOUD IN FRONT OF HER XD She even got mad about it and told him to fuck off when he did, with such a blatant writting-hook there is no way that ends up happening when she's not only no longer even remotely the naive girl Fujino wrote her as for it to happen originally (Canon Suguha would have never been convinced to drink a spiked drink from Hebishima in the first place), she's not gonna just let him drug her at all and clearly has started outwitting him in general, so at this point the only REAL way Hebishima could "get her back" is if she was still addicted to his dick, which all plot-points seem to point otherwise.

Idk, maybe is because I'm taking Fujino's writing with another view based on previous games and the completely unexpected twists that happened with Suguha's plot that are so out of left field both for him and NTR games in general, but I really can't see why Suguha just taking advantage of Kirito can't be her new way of generating scenes after Hebishima is gone. Reminder, unlike Inoda, Sugu is part of the "problem" most people bitched to Fujino about so much that took away from the main plot, so him doing whatever he wants with her character wouldn't really be an issue, not that he hasn't already: DO you think that most of the people who came to this game just to see "SAO NTR", or more like to see Asuna being stolen from Kirito, had any real positive reaction to Suguha suddenly going down this route XP? Fujino was already pissing people off by doing this at all and by not making this game "95% Inoda fucking Asuna and just 5% of the other characters showing up", so he may as well keep doing his own thing even if he keeps going against the 'cliche standards'. Therefore Suguha doesn't really NEED 'someone else' to fuck her if she has fully taken control of her own route now as she seemingly has XP

But yeah, at the end of the day this is all just speculation on both sides, especially as we have acknowledged it's not impossible for Fujino to still throw all that development to the trash and have her once again fall to Hebishima's dick despite everything pointing otherwise, so I guess this next update may be what fully decides what he's gonna do with her. One week or so to see it, regardless of what happens!

To be completly honest, when I said that there still is a long way to go until the game ends, I was mostly speaking from a hopeful perspective that Fujino will at the very least corrupt Asuna step by step now that we have arrived to her having sex with Inoda again. He could always speed everything up, and it would be consistent with his usual games where the ntr goes by faster than a speeding bullet. It's just that I would be a bit dissapointed since I believe the approach he took with this game, slow and not always straightforward corruption, is his best work so far.
(Even if Sakura is her hottest heroine so far.)

I have seen a lot of people complaining about the addition of the Administrator to the story, as it is a easy way for Fujino to do whatever he wants without bothering to properly setting it up since he can always say "the Administrator did it." But it seems to me like people forget that the entire premise of the game is mostly random plot convinces that not even God could justify, since the first part of the game until now.
The only reason Asuna agreed to start these ntr shenanigans was because Inoda just happened to overhear that they were going on a date, just for Kirito to forget his phone inside the arcade, Asuna to be randomly assaulted by three random criminals, and Kirito magically wasting 10 minutes to find his phone.

The entire game is filled with such scenarios, where we can obviously see that Fujino just creates situations to fuck over Kirito without much rhyme or reason, so for all we know Suguha might trip and fall into Hebishima's dick next update, fifty times in a row. So it's not like it would be hard for Fujino to come up with any random excuse for Hebishima to get the upper hand again. Everything depends on what sort of scenes he will want to create in the future, past this particular update.

I for one only hope for three things in the future.

1-Suguha not becoming a prostitute for Hebishima
2-That we get a progressive corruption of Asuna that isn't crazy fast.
3- Scenes that involve Kirito unaware that Asuna/Suguha are being fucked right next to him.
Just those things will make me happy no matter where Fujino takes the game.

 

[4-kun]

Putting aside that everyone's assumptions of how much of the game may be left could be completely wrong, especially as Fujino's writing could super-speed-up at any moment and still be faithful to his usual way of writing games (Which IMO it already has given how fast Asuna's second full-on-willing sex scene with Asuna is happening, VR or not), the things is that Hebishima can't really do that to Sugu because he SAID IT OUT LOUD IN FRONT OF HER XD She even got mad about it and told him to fuck off when he did, with such a blatant writting-hook there is no way that ends up happening when she's not only no longer even remotely the naive girl Fujino wrote her as for it to happen originally (Canon Suguha would have never been convinced to drink a spiked drink from Hebishima in the first place), she's not gonna just let him drug her at all and clearly has started outwitting him in general, so at this point the only REAL way Hebishima could "get her back" is if she was still addicted to his dick, which all plot-points seem to point otherwise.

Idk, maybe is because I'm taking Fujino's writing with another view based on previous games and the completely unexpected twists that happened with Suguha's plot that are so out of left field both for him and NTR games in general, but I really can't see why Suguha just taking advantage of Kirito can't be her new way of generating scenes after Hebishima is gone. Reminder, unlike Inoda, Sugu is part of the "problem" most people bitched to Fujino about so much that took away from the main plot, so him doing whatever he wants with her character wouldn't really be an issue, not that he hasn't already: DO you think that most of the people who came to this game just to see "SAO NTR", or more like to see Asuna being stolen from Kirito, had any real positive reaction to Suguha suddenly going down this route XP? Fujino was already pissing people off by doing this at all and by not making this game "95% Inoda fucking Asuna and just 5% of the other characters showing up", so he may as well keep doing his own thing even if he keeps going against the 'cliche standards'. Therefore Suguha doesn't really NEED 'someone else' to fuck her if she has fully taken control of her own route now as she seemingly has XP

But yeah, at the end of the day this is all just speculation on both sides, especially as we have acknowledged it's not impossible for Fujino to still throw all that development to the trash and have her once again fall to Hebishima's dick despite everything pointing otherwise, so I guess this next update may be what fully decides what he's gonna do with her. One week or so to see it, regardless of what happens!

I hope you're right, I really do.^^ but I wouldn't discard the possibility that Fujino is just building up tension and leading the player down the wrong path regarding a positive outcome for Sugu, just to crush her later down the track, as it's still an NTR game. It's not like we haven't seen extreme character changes for no logical reason

 

[kinglionheart]

I have seen a lot of people complaining about the addition of the Administrator to the story, as it is a easy way for Fujino to do whatever he wants without bothering to properly setting it up since he can always say "the Administrator did it." But it seems to me like people forget that the entire premise of the game is mostly random plot convinces that not even God could justify, since the first part of the game until now.
The only reason Asuna agreed to start these ntr shenanigans was because Inoda just happened to overhear that they were going on a date, just for Kirito to forget his phone inside the arcade, Asuna to be randomly assaulted by three random criminals, and Kirito magically wasting 10 minutes to find his phone.

For clarification the reason I dislike the addition of Administrator is because she cheapens a lot of effort Inoda did. You might not remember but a lot of random plot contrivance in Part 1 was not random, it was from Inoda's effort. Like the thugs that almost attacked Asuna they were unknowingly sent by Inoda or the Lustful Night only worked because Inoda took Kirito's spare key and researched how to properly pleasure Asuna.

But now with Administrator helping Inoda, no effort is needed from Inoda since he has the goddess' help. Or even his past success could be the work of the goddess now. It is disappointing since Inoda seemed like a underdog trying to get a girl out of his league using only his wit and big penis before Administrator showed up.

 

[SixDates]

I think that we have discussed the future of Suguha's arc more than enough already, because we are mostly going in circles talking about something he just can't predict. Although it may partially be my fault for constantly responding to the topic as well.
Now we only got to wait until Monday to know what Fujino intends to do, since I'm sure we will get a mostly definite answer by next update.


That being said, and to change the topic for a bit, what are you guys waiting for the most in future updates?
I'm mostly waiting for more battle harassment scenes, or just more scenes with Inoda's power being used since for something that is in the title we have gotten way too little content of his ability.

 

[kinglionheart]

I hope you're right, I really do.^^ but I wouldn't discard the possibility that Fujino is just building up tension and leading the player down the wrong path regarding a positive outcome for Sugu, just to crush her later down the track, as it's still an NTR game. It's not like we haven't seen extreme character changes for no logical reason

True enough. If Fujino didn't showed a different possibility for Suguha then none of us here would be talking about her so much. She would be another background character like Sinon.

 

[SixDates]

For clarification the reason I dislike the addition of Administrator is because she cheapens a lot of effort Inoda did. You might not remember but a lot of random plot contrivance in Part 1 was not random, it was from Inoda's effort. Like the thugs that almost attacked Asuna they were unknowingly sent by Inoda or the Lustful Night only worked because Inoda took Kirito's spare key and researched how to properly pleasure Asuna.

But now with Administrator helping Inoda, no effort is needed from Inoda since he has the goddess' help. It is disappointing since Inoda seemed like a underdog trying to get a girl out of his league using only his wit and big penis before Administrator showed up.

Okay, I not only played the first part as it came out, but I also recently replayed it with the new translation a few weeks ago, and I don’t remember a single bit about Inoda nudging the delinquents to assault Asuna back then. Like I have zero recollection of such a thing.
And while Inoda did take the spare key that lead to the stormy night sequence, I'm pretty sure that he did it without much consideration and he just lucked out that Asuna happened to need it. Since there was no way for Inoda to know that the next time that she would need the spare key would have been during a convenient typhoon.
I could be wrong, but I sincerely doubt that every coincidence throughout the game where explained, because there where several of them. Like Suguha asking Kirito to cover her shift the same day that Asuna got sick.

But it doesn't quite matter in the end, to me it was already obvious that the world bent backwards for Inoda just so he could steal Asuna, even if he did put an effort. Whatever that was Fujino's invisible hand of the author or an in-universe deity of some sort does not really change much from me.

 

[AlterInfernalAllius]

True enough. If Fujino didn't showed a different possibility for Suguha then none of us here would be talking about her so much. She would be another background character like Sinon.

I mean, I maybe would given she was always the main reason I was playing the game, but yeah, it's only Fujino's unexpected turn that really made her such a big topic of discussion here XP

Okay, I not only played the first part as it came out, but I also recently replayed it with the new translation a few weeks ago, and I don’t remember a single bit about Inoda nudging the delinquents to assault Asuna back then. Like I have zero recollection of such a thing.
And while Inoda did take the spare key that lead to the stormy night sequence, I'm pretty sure that he did it without much consideration and he just lucked out that Asuna happened to need it. Since there was no way for Inoda to know that the next time that she would need the spare key would have been during a convenient typhoon.
I could be wrong, but I sincerely doubt that every coincidence throughout the game where explained, because there where several of them. Like Suguha asking Kirito to cover her shift the same day that Asuna got sick.

But it doesn't quite matter in the end, to me it was already obvious that the world bent backwards for Inoda just so he could steal Asuna, even if he did put an effort. Whatever that was Fujino's invisible hand of the author or an in-universe deity of some sort does not really change much from me.

Yeah, this is probably why I don't really mind Administrator (And also that I'm mostly here for the Hentai than the main plot tbh), Fujino was already twisting the universe and the characters so Inoda could NTR Asuna and more, having an actual 'goddess' in the game to kinda justify it doesn't really change much for me :3 (Also, she's hot, so I'm still looking forward to the inevitable Administrator sex scene/s one day )

 

[4-kun]

True enough. If Fujino didn't showed a different possibility for Suguha then none of us here would be talking about her so much. She would be another background character like Sinon.

Well yeah. I also do believe that Suguha is seen as someone more special to Fujino, after Asuna obviously, so I'm expecting some better story development with her character. I personally would like to see her as Inoda's counterpart, NTR-ing Asuna.

 

[kinglionheart]

Well yeah. I also do believe that Suguha is seen as someone more special to Fujino, after Asuna obviously, so I'm expecting some better story development with her character. I personally would like to see her as Inoda's counterpart, NTR-ing Asuna.

If that was true, then that is why Inoda won't fuck Suguha. He shouldn't fuck himself.

 

[SixDates]

Well yeah. I also do believe that Suguha is seen as someone more special to Fujino, after Asuna obviously, so I'm expecting some better story development with her character. I personally would like to see her as Inoda's counterpart, NTR-ing Asuna.

I hadn’t thought about it much until now, but we will probably not get a scene with conscious Kirito and Suguha, but we probably will have some Leafa and Kirito scenes in the future, even if they are only teasing/seduction as Kirito probably wouldn't cheat on Asuna.

Most of the details are hidden so the player needs to go out of their way to find it so it is easy to miss. I know everything that happens is the will of the true god of the game, Fujino. Most players are like you who are just here to enjoy the ride so the details about the why doesn't matter but I hope you understand how great it was Fujino trying to make a NTR story that didn't fall into standard NTR contrivances in Part 1. It is just disappointing in Part 2 Administrator is now available for handwaving more unbelievable BSs.

Well, I actually know that most information is something that you get while exploring the map and the such, I just still haven't seen the stuff you spoke about, like Inoda planning the assault on Asuna. But it doesn't matter, let's say I simply missed it on both my playthroughs, something that I could totally see happening.

Even then, and I'm being nice while saying this, Fujino is just not a very good writer. Or at the very least the writting aspect of the game is not something he focused on very much. Inconsistent characterization, convenient events, nonsensical plot developments. I could spend an entire day talking about the issues with the game, but for me it was never truly Fujino's priority to craft a good story.
Instead, the SAO game was Fujino's first attempt to make a slow corruption game, and I think he did a fantastic job on it, with it being his best work as of yet.
For a good story in a ntr game I would either play Hero Party Must Fall, or some Japanese triple A eroge with actual writers whose jobs are to make a good narrative.

 

[SixDates]

I would actually argue that Fujino's monthly updates are not at all small, they are pretty sizeable if we take into consideration that they are released monthly. Like, he might be the game creator that I follow with most consistent content production, if we ignore the breaks he takes from time to time for IRL related stuff.

 

[AlterInfernalAllius]

Well yeah. I also do believe that Suguha is seen as someone more special to Fujino, after Asuna obviously, so I'm expecting some better story development with her character. I personally would like to see her as Inoda's counterpart, NTR-ing Asuna.

Sadly, we know from the planned endings that Suguha will never truly "NTR Asuna", even if he manages to win over Hebishima and manages to consistently take advantage of Kirito in the background, it will be as much "NTR" as her being fucked by Hebishima is, which is not really at all except from the illusion of interpretation XP We know she will never actually manage to consciously steal or make Kirito cheat on Asuna so she will never really get to Inoda's level, but she would still end up way better than almost any heroine I can think of in a NTR game if she pulls that off.

If that was true, then that is why Inoda won't fuck Suguha. He shouldn't fuck himself.

...this, however, made me laugh my ass off for a good while XD

 

[4-kun]

If that was true, then that is why Inoda won't fuck Suguha. He shouldn't fuck himself.

Or, she goes full NTR and sleeps with Inoda after Asuna has fallen for him, but afterward, they both say 'nah' and just go their separate ways

 

[ewewewewe ossas]

does anyone know when 5.20 update will be implemented?

 

[AlterInfernalAllius]

Or, she goes full NTR and sleeps with Inoda after Asuna has fallen for him, but afterward, they both say 'nah' and just go their separate ways

Besides how nonsensical and plain out bad that would be in every way, it's also unrealistic, there is no way Inoda would fuck Suguha once and not want to keep her no matter what, we know he's a greedy horny bastard and that not even Liz's terrible attitude has turned him off from wanting to fuck her either XP

 

[4-kun]

Besides how nonsensical and plain out bad that would be in every way, it's also unrealistic, there is no way Inoda would fuck Suguha once and not want to keep her no matter what, we know he's a greedy horny bastard and that not even Liz's terrible attitude has turned him off from wanting to fuck her either XP

I wasn't serious obviously, but I imagine such a scene would just be fun. sometimes things just don't fit together, like Kirito and Asuna in this game

I think it would be hilarious if they try to have sex, but because they are both dominant everything possible goes wrong

 

[SixDates]

does anyone know when 5.20 update will be implemented?

If you mean the newest update, it will come out next Monday (maybe)


This question actually got me thinking, are we going to see Asuna's dad at some point?
He is technically getting cucked, and the three main characters of the game will be working in his company after the next update, so it makes sense for him to show up.

Now that I put a bit more of thought about the situation, isn't it kind of hilarious that Asuna has never really addressed the situation of her family very much throughout the game. Sure, she mentions it a bit, but it gets overshadowed with her issues with her mother.

 

[4-kun]

If you mean the newest update, it will come out next Monday (maybe)


This question actually got me thinking, are we going to see Asuna's dad at some point?
He is technically getting cucked, and the three main characters of the game will be working in his company after the next update, so it makes sense for him to show up.

Now that I put a bit more of thought about the situation, isn't it kind of hilarious that Asuna has never really addressed the situation of her family very much throughout the game. Sure, she mentions it a bit, but it gets overshadowed with her issues with her mother.

I guess there will be some scenes at the villa later on, maybe when her dad is on a trip

 

[SixDates]

I don't particularly care if he is introduced or not, but even if he isn't in love with Kyouko anymore, there still is his relationship with Asuna. I can think of a few fun set ups where he is involved in a manner or another.
Well, it's not really important in the end, fujino will do it if he wants to.