oozaru2023

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After reading your post, brother, I talked to my wife and she told me the difference between love and hate is very small and it lies in motivation and the direction of feelings. Love is respect, creation. Hatred is contempt, destruction.

As a person who really loves the SAO universe, since ancient times (At least 20 years old, I have already been familiar with this series), it would never occur to me in any way to take and distort the characters, remake the SAO world, destroy it. It's just disgusting to me. But Fujino, without any problems, does it - distorts, destroys, changes to suit himself. Fujino's attitude towards SAO tends more towards the destructive. And this is a sign of hatred. This is ordinary psychology. So, it's almost 100% likely that Fujino is not a fan of SAO. Maybe hate is too strong a word, but Fujino definitely either doesn't care about SAO, or he has some negative feelings. Fujino expressed his admiration for his own original character Inoda and said that he likes Asuna. There is a high probability that he likes Asuna as a sexual object, and not as a heroine of a novel or a deeply developed character.
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For simplicity's sake, what Fujino is doing is the same as seeing a man on the street and telling him "Oh! What a beautiful face you have!" and cut it with a knife. Envy, hatred...
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I know I'm digging deep, but these are common psychological signs that people have known for centuries. No one will spoil something that they genuinely really like. And if a person sees a thing that he likes and wants to break it, then he simply does not see the difference between love and hate.
you're 20 years old and you're already married, I hope it's because you didn't screw up or had a child early, anyway, as someone who has known SAO since 2009, which is when it began to be published and at that time it was still in Japanese, I know almost everything related to that franchise and let me tell you that we practically take this simply as a parody, not even a spin off, although some events are canon, it does not mean that it is the true one so we do not care if Fujino changes it or makes the characters more stupid, the idea is NTR and if you know what is truly the NTR you will know what I mean, so just people do not give the matter too much thought, debate as you can always be for or against, that's what everything is about.
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but then China made making +18 stuff a punishable-with-jail offense, so he had to delete everything too and couldn't do more
A real shame too, his works used to be quite great in some aspects. There were no character or story to speak of, and the art style was barely acceptable, but he had a really fun way to implement gimmicks into his works.
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I guess that he has managed to at least try to keep up his NSFW career by making creative euphemism and implying things as much as he can but ... It doesn't really work out that well in his Klein/Asuna comic.
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Fujino couldn't be bothered to edit the recollection room he probably took from some rpgmaker page, but part 1 is finished.


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I think I have already said this, but people really got hot and bothered about the update, to the point they are playing armchair psychologists, which is somewhat funny to see.

Not quite regarding the topic of Fujino and the psych analysis going on, but something that I haven't seen anyone mention from the update is how Asuna basically told Inoda that he can fuck her while she in FOG as long as he uses a condom.
Which really hits my "NTR nonsense logic", because that is really not something a woman would say to a man unless they trusted them beyond even a regular boyfriend. How many of your partners would have been okay with you just going to town on them while they sleep? Of course, you could say that Asuna truly trusts Inoda that much, but that is even a bigger "NTR nonsense logic" because the sex addict pig would raw fuck a cactus if he was left alone in the desert.
 
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cp2020

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dude, the way you write things is so easy to understand... are you by chance a technical writter/blogger or writer in general? if not, you should try doing this more since i'd genuinely read anything you'd write xD
Thank you! I just happen to be a university researcher doing psychology. So yeah, writing articles is part of the living. :coffee:
 
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King over here getting SAO and its characters better than anyone else in the thread's lates pages XD

Also, I think I saw the Asuna Family one you mean once...the thing is, hilariously, its 'derailment' was directly related to the issue Fujino escaped from...that guy had always done SAO NTR NSFW stuff on his Pixiv account, and it was clear he was for once building up slowly (A la Fujino with Part 2) to Asuna and Klein fucking behind Kirito's back...but then China made making +18 stuff a punishable-with-jail offense, so he had to delete everything too and couldn't do more, so he decided to turn it into a weird and nonsensical extremely ecchi comedy that never really showed anything happening because he COULDN'T, and making it suggestive in very random ways to try and make up for it (It also reflected on his work in general, like how he stopped doing the few double-NTR scenarios he had made in the past and how he stopped using Suguha altogether in any of his works, not that he had ever used her much but yeah).
hahaha, so that's why that work seemed so strange to me, I was also thinking why the author chose such a strange style and narration.
I was also thinking, well, it seems not bad, but why is it so strange
 
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As I understand it, all Fujino 3D animations, but is there some kind of tool to interact with its cutscenes (change the angle of the animation, etc.), or is it impossible at all? Something like the function on YouTube that was before 360 or something like that.
 
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something strange happened tonight I dreamed of SAO NTR, but not the original and fudjinoverse, but there was absolutely no Kirito there, it seems brainwashing worked on me too xD
 

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After some more thinking, I think one theory developed by Chinese NTR game players that can be used to help explain how Fujino develops his game and why there is such a discomfort in the recent update.

This theory is not specifically developed for this SAO game, but generally for all NTR games. Let me try to present it as clearly as possible.

According to this theory, there are three levels of NTR game stakeholders:

Level 1: This group of people see themselves as the male MC whose girlfriend/wife is stolen. So they focus more on the feelings and discovery process of how they lose their loved ones in the game.

Level 2: This group of people see themselves as the bully who steals others' girlfriends/wives. So they focus more on the feelings and the stealing process of how they take away other people's things and how to humiliate other people.

Level 3: This group of people see themselves as the female MC who interacts with both sides. So they focus more on the feelings and corruption process of how they struggle with morality and corrupt from an elegant women to a slut.

Before showing how this theory is helpful, I'd like to highlight two limitations:

Limitation 1: The level order is not fixed. You can reorder the three levels as you like.

Limitation 2: This theory neglects those people who only play for CGs and don't care about the story.

Then let's see how this theory can be applied:

1. Most games only focus on one level
We know that game developers are limited in terms of time, knowledge, and money, so most NTR games (have to or choose to) only focus on one level.

Comment: That's why people respect the game that can cover (or tries to cover) more than one level. For example, the game A Thousand Promises Must Unkept is good as it provides content at almost all the three levels.

2. The game story shows how game developers think at which level
When game developers focus on one particular level, they will create more content that falls within this level. For example, a game at Level 1 will provide more narrations about how the male MC thinks and feels in the process of losing his girlfriend/wife, while less from the perspective of the bully.

Comment: That's why I think plots matter. "This is just a NTR game, so why bother the plot?" is not a legitimate excuse, at least not for me.

3. For game developers, Level 1 and Level 2 are more risky, while Level 3 is safer
Since most NTR game players are male (no statics but I think it's true), a game focusing on Level 1 may not be welcomed by Level 2 players, and vice versa. However, a game focusing on Level 3 is more likely to be accepted by people at all three levels.

Comment: That's why people sometimes may think "oh this game is not for me" although they like to play NTR games. Because there is a mismatch between their level and the level where this game is designed.

Okay, now allow me to explain why this recent update of SAO brings discomfort:

1. Initially, Fujino designs this game at Level 3
It is evident that SAO 1 and early updates of SAO 2 were more at Level 3, as the core focus was Asuna's corruption. More content was about her feelings and private speeches. Little space was given to how Kirito and Inoda felt.

Comment: That's why SAO 1 and early SAO 2 were welcomed by most players. People were excited to see and predict how Asuna was made to corrupt more. And for Fujino, this is a safe strategy that his game can be acceptable to more people.

2. Now, Fujino makes a change from Level 3 to Level 2
In recent updates, Fujino begins to switch from Level 3 to Level 2 as he immerses himself more into Inoda. This may be less obvious but in the latest update, this change has become especially clear, as we can see so many things from the perspective of Inoda.

Comment: That's why the latest update brings a strong feeling of discomfort. In the past, many people played this game to see how Asuna would corrupt (Level 3), but now the game becomes more about how the bully wins the female MC's body and heart (Level 2). I think many people are not ready for such a switch, so it's understandable why there is discomfort.

I hope I've presented the theory and its applications in a clear way. Also I hope it helps to resolve some questions that people may have.
 
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you're 20 years old and you're already married, I hope it's because you didn't screw up or had a child early, anyway, as someone who has known SAO since 2009, which is when it began to be published and at that time it was still in Japanese, I know almost everything related to that franchise and let me tell you that we practically take this simply as a parody, not even a spin off, although some events are canon, it does not mean that it is the true one so we do not care if Fujino changes it or makes the characters more stupid, the idea is NTR and if you know what is truly the NTR you will know what I mean, so just people do not give the matter too much thought, debate as you can always be for or against, that's what everything is about.
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Is your translator malfunctioning, or my? I wrote that I have been familiar with the SAO franchise for over 20 years. Reki Kawahara first wrote SAO in 2002 as a competition paper. But then the work was not accepted for the competition because it was too voluminous. As a result, Reki Kawahara released his novel online under a pseudonym. There were 3 volumes in total and several small stories. I noticed SAO, sometime in 2004-2005, when one of my classmates, a lover of Japanese art, said that there was a cool novel and there was a translation from Japanese, so far only 2 volumes. And in 2009, the SAO series was officially released. As it is, I'm 36 years old and I have 2 children, I think that's normal.

I know it's a parody. But we're not talking about whether it's a parody or not. If you read carefully what you quoted in mine, I wrote about whether Fujino really likes the orginal SAO or not. There's not a word about the parody at all.
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Not quite regarding the topic of Fujino and the psych analysis going on, but something that I haven't seen anyone mention from the update is how Asuna basically told Inoda that he can fuck her while she in FOG as long as he uses a condom.
Which really hits my "NTR nonsense logic", because that is really not something a woman would say to a man unless they trusted them beyond even a regular boyfriend. How many of your partners would have been okay with you just going to town on them while they sleep? Of course, you could say that Asuna truly trusts Inoda that much, but that is even a bigger "NTR nonsense logic" because the sex addict pig would raw fuck a cactus if he was left alone in the desert.
A well-known phrase is "You can do whatever you want with my body, but don't disturb my sleep." :ROFLMAO:

Hmm, is there really such a thing in the game?:oops: Well, I wrote that Inoda and Kirito, in fact, switched places in Asuna's head, and in her priority lists. And to that, it's worth adding that Asuna's thinking towards Inoda is increasingly distorted by perks. The more she allows Inode, the more she trusts him. Her status says that one of her favorite pastimes is sex with Inoda. In short, because of the memory changes and all those fetishes and deviations that Asuna acquired thanks to Inoda, she began to trust him unconditionally and cannot refuse anything. The funny thing is that Asuna allowed to do what Inoda already did. She's so dumb.

But you're right, brother, from the point of view of a normal relationship, it's weird. Using someone's body while they're unconscious is beyond good and evil. We know this is a game, and Fujino made Asuna, Inoda's exclusive whore, but imagine if this situation were more realistic. Does Fujino like the rape fetish or fucking an insensitive body?

I think such a psychopath and rapist Inoda, would, for example, call some hotel employee or other hotel guest - "For 10,000 yen, you can fuck her, she won't understand anything. Don't crowd, get in line!"
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Honestly, it just got an update, but I'm gonna feel bad when it's over and the author move to the next project lol. It's the kind of game that I wish I could play for even more because I'm digging everything so far.
From a list of games that I have/write down or come here to check if there's any update to then play them, SAO Breath Concealed became F5 open/close tab daily just to check the Version get updated on the search bar.
Only a handful got me this alert in certain threads, even by focusing on playing updated versions of other games or new ones.
It hits me in a way of old time awaiting for Black Souls + My New Life + Lessons in Love updates.

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Is your translator malfunctioning, or my? I wrote that I have been familiar with the SAO franchise for over 20 years. Reki Kawahara first wrote SAO in 2002 as a competition paper. But then the work was not accepted for the competition because it was too voluminous. As a result, Reki Kawahara released his novel online under a pseudonym. There were 3 volumes in total and several small stories. I noticed SAO, sometime in 2004-2005, when one of my classmates, a lover of Japanese art, said that there was a cool novel and there was a translation from Japanese, so far only 2 volumes. And in 2009, the SAO series was officially released. As it is, I'm 36 years old and I have 2 children, I think that's normal.

I know it's a parody. But we're not talking about whether it's a parody or not. If you read carefully what you quoted in mine, I wrote about whether Fujino really likes the orginal SAO or not. There's not a word about the parody at all.
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Bro, you seemed to say that you are a doctor, but can you tell me, Asuna's perks say that she does daily enemas for anal sex and does this with Inoda constantly. Isn't it harmful to the body, I know that the anus is restored to some extent, but considering the constant enemas and the fact that the bull has a big penis, isn't it harmful?
 
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Bro, you seemed to say that you are a doctor, but can you tell me, Asuna's perks say that she does daily enemas for anal sex and does this with Inoda constantly. Isn't it harmful to the body, I know that the anus is restored to some extent, but considering the constant enemas and the fact that the bull has a big penis, isn't it harmful?
Of course it's harmful. You don't need to enter a door that says "exit" above it.:WeSmart:

There is nothing in the anus intended for sex at all, except the shape of the anus itself. Constant enemas will disrupt the intestinal microflora and most likely Asuna will start having problems and s she will start to lose weight or vice versa due to stretching of the anus, she may be constipated.
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Inoda has a big dick, so even with lubrication, damage is inevitable, anal fissures, hemorrhoids, and statistically, the chance of rectal cancer even increases. Porn actresses constantly go to the doctor with these problems. :cautious:

And most importantly, it doesn't make sense. The percentage of women who enjoy anal sex is negligible. Even men are more likely to have pleasure because of the location of the prostate.:HideThePain:

But this is a game, Asuna poops with butterflies and her anus is rubbery, and she will get pleasure even if Inoda sticks a dick in her ear.:ROFLMAO:
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The advantages of linear NTR is that you go straight and don't think about it anymore.

The advantages of NTR with multiple endings is that you can replay many times and choose which path to take and I think that makes the game last even longer, each choice influences the story
small example: Kirito goes to Liz and the scene is created there and if Kirito didn't go to Liz, the scene would be different
In this NTR you have to decide your destiny, you don't like NTR, you will choose the path of revenge but it doesn't mean there are no sex scenes
If you choose complete NTR route, then the rest does not matter and hence the first option is for you

The plot is as important as the content, without a plot the game makes no sense but this does not create any problem for those who only want the gallery

For me linear NTR is monotonous and predictable
 

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After some more thinking, I think one theory developed by Chinese NTR game players that can be used to help explain how Fujino develops his game and why there is such a discomfort in the recent update.

This theory is not specifically developed for this SAO game, but generally for all NTR games. Let me try to present it as clearly as possible.

According to this theory, there are three levels of NTR game stakeholders:

Level 1: This group of people see themselves as the male MC whose girlfriend/wife is stolen. So they focus more on the feelings and discovery process of how they lose their loved ones in the game.

Level 2: This group of people see themselves as the bully who steals others' girlfriends/wives. So they focus more on the feelings and the stealing process of how they take away other people's things and how to humiliate other people.

Level 3: This group of people see themselves as the female MC who interacts with both sides. So they focus more on the feelings and corruption process of how they struggle with morality and corrupt from an elegant women to a slut.

Before showing how this theory is helpful, I'd like to highlight two limitations:

Limitation 1: The level order is not fixed. You can reorder the three levels as you like.

Limitation 2: This theory neglects those people who only play for CGs and don't care about the story.

Then let's see how this theory can be applied:

1. Most games only focus on one level
We know that game developers are limited in terms of time, knowledge, and money, so most NTR games (have to or choose to) only focus on one level.

Comment: That's why people respect the game that can cover (or tries to cover) more than one level. For example, the game A Thousand Promises Must Unkept is good as it provides content at almost all the three levels.

2. The game story shows how game developers think at which level
When game developers focus on one particular level, they will create more content that falls within this level. For example, a game at Level 1 will provide more narrations about how the male MC thinks and feels in the process of losing his girlfriend/wife, while less from the perspective of the bully.

Comment: That's why I think plots matter. "This is just a NTR game, so why bother the plot?" is not a legitimate excuse, at least not for me.

3. For game developers, Level 1 and Level 2 are more risky, while Level 3 is safer
Since most NTR game players are male (no statics but I think it's true), a game focusing on Level 1 may not be welcomed by Level 2 players, and vice versa. However, a game focusing on Level 3 is more likely to be accepted by people at all three levels.

Comment: That's why people sometimes may think "oh this game is not for me" although they like to play NTR games. Because there is a mismatch between their level and the level where this game is designed.

Okay, now allow me to explain why this recent update of SAO brings discomfort:

1. Initially, Fujino designs this game at Level 3
It is evident that SAO 1 and early updates of SAO 2 were more at Level 3, as the core focus was Asuna's corruption. More content was about her feelings and private speeches. Little space was given to how Kirito and Inoda felt.

Comment: That's why SAO 1 and early SAO 2 were welcomed by most players. People were excited to see and predict how Asuna was made to corrupt more. And for Fujino, this is a safe strategy that his game can be acceptable to more people.

2. Now, Fujino makes a change from Level 3 to Level 2
In recent updates, Fujino begins to switch from Level 3 to Level 2 as he immerses himself more into Inoda. This may be less obvious but in the latest update, this change has become especially clear, as we can see so many things from the perspective of Inoda.

Comment: That's why the latest update brings a strong feeling of discomfort. In the past, many people played this game to see how Asuna would corrupt (Level 3), but now the game becomes more about how the bully wins the female MC's body and heart (Level 2). I think many people are not ready for such a switch, so it's understandable why there is discomfort.

I hope I've presented the theory and its applications in a clear way. Also I hope it helps to resolve some questions that people may have.
A good but somewhat oblivious observation about NTR games. The levels can be POVs players can see since there are usually only three actors in NTR stories. Most netorare and netorase games will only show one, either the cuck's or the woman's, POV and some will show both. Then there are netori games that will show the bull's POV.

Your conclusion about why the recent update is upsetting is incorrect. All of Fujino's games until later part of Part 1 has been Level 1 (cuck's POV). He even acknowledged his style changed.

Previous works focused solely on the protagonist’s point of view, but since many people expressed interest in seeing things from Asuna’s perspective, I made changes in that direction.

Early parts of Part 1 focus almost entirely on Kirito's POV with brief glimpses into Asuna's POV (Asuna's room) then in Part 2, changes were made in a lot more focus was on Asuna's and Inoda's POV and thoughts. Your theory does explain why some people prefer Part 1 to Part 2. But it doesn't explain why the most recent update made so many people uncomfortable since we have been seeing more of Inoda's thoughts thoughts for a while now. But still a good and clear observation on NTR stories.

Personally I think the reason people do not like the recent update is the simple reason of seeing something they love, the canon love story moments of Kirito and Asuna or maybe Yui specially, gets so perverted and using the easy route of mind control instead of more complex psychological reasons.
 
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Of course it's harmful. You don't need to enter a door that says "exit" above it.:WeSmart:

There is nothing in the anus intended for sex at all, except the shape of the anus itself. Constant enemas will disrupt the intestinal microflora and most likely Asuna will start having problems and s she will start to lose weight or vice versa due to stretching of the anus, she may be constipated.
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Inoda has a big dick, so even with lubrication, damage is inevitable, anal fissures, hemorrhoids, and statistically, the chance of rectal cancer even increases. Porn actresses constantly go to the doctor with these problems. :cautious:

And most importantly, it doesn't make sense. The percentage of women who enjoy anal sex is negligible. Even men are more likely to have pleasure because of the location of the prostate.:HideThePain:

But this is a game, Asuna poops with butterflies and her anus is rubbery, and she will get pleasure even if Inoda sticks a dick in her ear.:ROFLMAO:
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Anal sex is only for certain people with certain fetish. Only a small number of women feel truly biologically pleasant during anal sex. And for man, the biological pleasure is limited compared to oral and vaginal sex, but more about psychological pleasure such as the sense of conquering the female (a natural instinct for men).

mos555 explained the difference between love (e.g., constructive) and hate (e.g., destructive), which is accurate. I'd like to add on to this about the difference between love and lust: the former is more altruistic (e.g., self-sacrifice for the partner's wellbeing) and the latter more egoistic (e.g., sacrifice the partner's wellbeing for one's own desire).

These definitions further prove that Kirito has love to Asuna, whereas Inoda only has lust. Kirito takes the responsibility to solve problems for Asuna so things can become easier for her, while Inoda only cares about satisfying his own desire.

Anal sex is an additional example. There was a time when Asuna asked Kirito if he wanted to try anal with her, but Kirito refused. This is actually understandable because Kirito loves Asuna, so he doesn't want to risk Asuna's wellbeing to meet his desire. Inoda is the opposite. He actively proposed to fuck Asuna in the anus, not caring about the potential risks for her wellbeing. For him, it's all about lust: satisfying personal sexual desire and conquering the female (especially Asuna from the upper class compared to himself).

In Chinese, there is a new phrase called "站起来蹬", meaning (literally) "stand up and ride". This phrase is used in the situation where a man has no love to his girlfriend but only wants to satisfy his lust, so he doesn't have to care about the woman's wellbeing but just "ride" her in any possible ways he likes, even though sometimes it can be harmful to the woman.

Putting together, Inoda has no love but only lust to Asuna. All he cares is to "stand up and ride" Asuna. In Chinese forums, some people say that Asuna deserves it, because she is hypocritical, betraying and hurting Kirito, who truly loves her.
 

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Anal sex is only for certain people with certain fetish. Only a small number of women feel truly biologically pleasant during anal sex. And for man, the biological pleasure is limited compared to oral and vaginal sex, but more about psychological pleasure such as the sense of conquering the female (a natural instinct for men).

mos555 explained the difference between love (e.g., constructive) and hate (e.g., destructive), which is accurate. I'd like to add on to this about the difference between love and lust: the former is more altruistic (e.g., self-sacrifice for the partner's wellbeing) and the latter more egoistic (e.g., sacrifice the partner's wellbeing for one's own desire).

These definitions further prove that Kirito has love to Asuna, whereas Inoda only has lust. Kirito takes the responsibility to solve problems for Asuna so things can become easier for her, while Inoda only cares about satisfying his own desire.

Anal sex is an additional example. There was a time when Asuna asked Kirito if he wanted to try anal with her, but Kirito refused. This is actually understandable because Kirito loves Asuna, so he doesn't want to risk Asuna's wellbeing to meet his desire. Inoda is the opposite. He actively proposed to fuck Asuna in the anus, not caring about the potential risks for her wellbeing. For him, it's all about lust: satisfying personal sexual desire and conquering the female (especially Asuna from the upper class compared to himself).

In Chinese, there is a new phrase called "站起来蹬", meaning (literally) "stand up and ride". This phrase is used in the situation where a man has no love to his girlfriend but only wants to satisfy his lust, so he doesn't have to care about the woman's wellbeing but just "ride" her in any possible ways he likes, even though sometimes it can be harmful to the woman.

Putting together, Inoda has no love but only lust to Asuna. All he cares is to "stand up and ride" Asuna. In Chinese forums, some people say that Asuna deserves it, because she is hypocritical, betraying and hurting Kirito, who truly loves her.
Well, obviously, Fujino is doing everything for Inoda's easy victory - Asuna's hypocrisy and stupidity, Kirito's blindness.

I'm really interested in how Fujino will change Liz's character from "I hate Inoda and I want to avenge the rape" to "I'll be a bitch in his harem", as well as Kyoko's character from "don't touch my daughter or I'll destroy you" to "let's have a threesome with Asuna". If you can assume with Kyoko that if a Shadow Fox is targeting her, it will again be due to a memory change, then in the situation with Liz, I do not even know what he can do. Still, the fact that Liz is disappointed in Kirito is no reason to give up revenge.

If Kirito follows the path of "prurience", then his relationship with Asuna becomes more utilitarian. I wonder if Fujino gives Kirito so many scenes with other girls that the players are disappointed in Kirito and see Inoda in a more favorable light? "He doesn't like Asuna anymore and has also become a traitor."

Or Fujino is doing it to frame Kirito in front of Asuna in future updates. It will repeat the scene in the brothel from 0.55, only on a larger scale. Asuna will see Kirito with Suguha and Sinon, and her feelings will finally die. Then it would be Kirito's fault, not Asuna's.(Asuna's hypocrisy level is +1)

As a result, it turns out that Kirito will be to blame for the breakup, Asuna will very "conveniently" forget that she was the first to betray Kirito, all the characters of SAO are broken, and the original character Inoda has won.
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A good but somewhat oblivious observation about NTR games. The levels can be POVs players can see since there are usually only three actors in NTR stories. Most netorare and netorase games will only show one, either the cuck's or the woman's, POV and some will show both. Then there are netori games that will show the bull's POV.

Your conclusion about why the recent update is upsetting is incorrect. All of Fujino's games until later part of Part 1 has been Level 1 (cuck's POV). He even acknowledged his style changed.

Previous works focused solely on the protagonist’s point of view, but since many people expressed interest in seeing things from Asuna’s perspective, I made changes in that direction.

Early parts of Part 1 focus almost entirely on Kirito's POV with brief glimpses into Asuna's POV (Asuna's room) then in Part 2, changes were made in a lot more focus was on Asuna's and Inoda's POV and thoughts. Your theory does explain why some people prefer Part 1 to Part 2. But it doesn't explain why the most recent update made so many people uncomfortable since we have been seeing more of Inoda's thoughts thoughts for a while now. But still a good and clear observation on NTR stories.

Personally I think the reason people do not like the recent update is the simple reason of seeing something they love, the canon love story moments of Kirito and Asuna or maybe Yui specially, gets so perverted and using the easy route of mind control instead of more complex psychological reasons.
I understand your idea. Let me further explain:

POV is a narrative method, which is not equivalent to the focus of game content. A game can be played based on the male MC's POV but still focus more on the female's process of corruption. In this case, players control the male MC to go around maps, interact with NPCs, make choices, but their actions usually don't alter the main line of the story. Instead, more content is created to show how the female MC corrupts, such as struggling with moral decisions and incapable of refusing the bully.

POV as a narrative method can be used to disguise the main focus of game content. Playing as the male MC may give players an illusion that they control the process, but since the content is more about female MC's corruption, players' (i.e., male MC's) actions usually do not make much a difference. The female MC "has to" corrupt as the focus of the game content is about her corruption.

Bringing these two points together, I think you might have a feeling that I'm talking about this SAO game. I think people may agree that this game is linear where players' choices are less decisive to change the main plot. This is because the content of this game focuses on Level 3, so Asuna's corruption is inevitable.

To cite Fujino's own words: "Previous works focused solely on the protagonist’s point of view, but since many people expressed interest in seeing things from Asuna’s perspective, I made changes in that direction".

I think This sentence actually supports the theory:

"The protagonist’s point of view" is a narrative method (so many people are not satisfied due to its methodological limit)

"Many people expressed interest in seeing things from Asuna’s perspective" (because Level 3 is safer and many people are comfortable with this focus of content, psychologically accustomed to it since SAO 1)

"I made changes in that direction" may be better understood within the context, where he intentionally decided to add even more content about the female MC's corruption (because people at all three levels like this content). This explains why Fujino added more Asuna's personal dialogues in the cave plot (i.e., the new dialogues she said when guiding Kirito via video). The plot itself was already complete, but because the initial design of this plot gives players a feeling at Level 1 and players are not used to it, so they want to see more Level 3 content, which they care more. That's why Fujino added more Level 3 content to meet players' needs.
 

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Well, obviously, Fujino is doing everything for Inoda's easy victory - Asuna's hypocrisy and stupidity, Kirito's blindness.

I'm really interested in how Fujino will change Liz's character from "I hate Inoda and I want to avenge the rape" to "I'll be a bitch in his harem", as well as Kyoko's character from "don't touch my daughter or I'll destroy you" to "let's have a threesome with Asuna". If you can assume with Kyoko that if a Shadow Fox is targeting her, it will again be due to a memory change, then in the situation with Liz, I do not even know what he can do. Still, the fact that Liz is disappointed in Kirito is no reason to give up revenge.

If Kirito follows the path of "prurience", then his relationship with Asuna becomes more utilitarian. I wonder if Fujino gives Kirito so many scenes with other girls that the players are disappointed in Kirito and see Inoda in a more favorable light? "He doesn't like Asuna anymore and has also become a traitor."

Or Fujino is doing it to put Kirito in front of Asuna in future updates. It will repeat the scene in the brothel from 0.55, only on a larger scale. Asuna will see Kirito with Suguha and Sinon, and her feelings will finally die. Then it would be Kirito's fault, not Asuna's.(Asuna's hypocrisy level is +1)

As a result, it turns out that Kirito will be to blame for the breakup, Asuna will very conveniently forget that she was the first to betray Kirito, all the characters of SAO are broken, and the original character Inoda has won.
I think this could happen. In Chinese, it's called "洗白" ("wash white"), used to describe authors' actions to "make the bad guys not bad". For example, a cheating girlfriend is guilty, but she becomes not guilty when the author writes that "she cheats because her boyfriend cheats behind her back". So "cheating" becomes "revenge", and this woman's behavior is "washed white".

I think this could happen because Fujino becomes more and more like Asuna. It is possible that he will "wash white" Asuna by letting Kirito betray Asuna. So it's not Asuna who destroys their relationship, but Kirito who gives up Asuna and abandons her.

Then let Inoda (or Fujino) comes in to take Kirito's place.
 
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