RPGM Sword Art Online: The Trap of Breath Concealed Magic [verβ1] [Fujino]

[JEGEK]

I was holding off until quarantine was over to play again, but from the reception I will keep this in the oven to cook alittle longer

 

[gaka200]

It is all about what you expect from the game. It is your money, and I respect you. I don't pay money to Fujino for this game, because I think the game is not worth it. Also, I don't know anything about sword art online, so for a game like this which just follows cliched generic NTR ideas, I can find completed games which are already plenty out there, so I'd pay for that games, rather than waiting this long-dragged game end. So in that regard, there is nothing to bind me to this game, and thanks to that I can see how bad Fujino's storytelling is. I played many NTR games and... Almost 90 something percent of NTR games just follows same cliched and generic stories and I just don't care about that kind of games anymore. And I can say this with confidence that Fujino's game is just below average, even if we compare it to other generic NTR games. Way tooo many plot holes, extremely boring, lucky, stupid but arrogant antagonist and brainless protagonist, and for a someone like me who doesn't know sword art online, you can't feel any love between Asuna and Kirito, and this is a very bad signal for an NTR game. I told this many times before, but Asuna is just a hypocritical bitch who became someones "temporary" girlfriend and gave her temporary boyfriend to blowjob and even allowed to rape her and just continiued her relationship even though there was no blackmail and she would left her raper and her raper couldn't do anything about it, but she just continiued to cheating. And list could go and on for each important character and there are tons of reasons I can count why this game is a failure NTR game but I already told all of them here so I don't want to bother writing them here again.
Honestly... I just play this game because I want to see how Sinon and Suguha's story will unfold. And also I like the community here, talking with them and reading their comments are fun.

I understand not knowing the original material, but that kind of detracts away from some of the experience if you think about it. Your opinion while it has value, some of that merit is lost on people who were probably here literally because it's about SAO. By the way, I'm not going to defend this game being remotely close to being faithful towards the original SAO, it's most definitely a parody, but it's a parody I'm at least enjoying.

In terms of NTR cliches, I think this genre as a whole is oversaturated that you're not going to exactly find anything that's not "cliche" at this point. I wouldn't go so far as to say Fujino's story telling is "bad", but I'd agree it's mid/mediocre. There's nothing that really stands out to make it worthy of any praise that anyone ever had for it. There's some people who will praise Part 1 and how the story was ruined in Part 2. But it's just more or less the same kind of writing, so I appreciate your stance is consistent throughout both Part 1 and Part 2.

I do think if you already accepted you don't like the game, there's not much reason to keep spouting it. Like I know I'm talking more again recently, but it's one of the reasons I stopped appearing as often. I'll probably taper off again and stop with my own rebuttals and butting in on people's opinions in a few days or so. We all have our opinions, but a good chunk are too vocal and rage bait inducing that people argue and seem to get mad at each other. I did the mistake of arguing waaaaay too much during the earlier parts of part 2, but it's whatever at this point.

Also; Sinon and Suguha are my favorite part of the game as well. I didn't go too far into SAO, but Sinon was definitely my favorite character among the bunch before I finally called it quits and didn't read/watch the later stuff.

Basically Fujino is a talented recycler

Funny comment; but basically true for a lot of creatives out there.

Fujino is not one of those who couple or paste directly, he couples, elaborates everything (putting the right lights and shadows to make it more cinematic), there are certain games with Koikatsu models that are without shadows, here, Fujino avoids this thing

If this is talking about how Fujino's execution is something to be considered of merit/praise, then I agree. A simple copy/paste is bad, but using the ideas or tools out there to make something appealing to people is definitely something worthy of note.

 

[Aniky Light]

Hmn... i think i don't understand on couple of things in this game.

Could someone please explain to me:

1. What is it going with Rapist Inoda recordings sex and placing it in real life servers? He is getting paid? Does he do it on someones commission? Or it is just a vlog of his?
2. I don't get why they live close to each other almost the same apartment? How this even happened? Rapist Inoda and CucKirito
3. What is the point of Asuna-biatch Perk list? Why we don't have CucKirito and Rapist Inoda Perk list?
4. Why Administrator looks so damn overpowered? Shes like some kind of godess, which also has got capability of the insight into any brain? Is FOG reading much more data from human brains that they ever should?
5. FOG devices units can damage the brain waves yet nobody is concerned that may happen to other players and they do keep playing? I was thinking that they have said something about possible harm to abruptly disconnections (which mother of Asuna-biatch did to her... which could mean some brain changes also to her)
6. They installed cameras all over the entire town, but it has got no effects? Like nobody is even thinking about hacking them, not even CucKirito? Who could write a program and get unlimited access to those cameras? He wrote the program for Rapist Inoda...

I just want to know. Because some of those questions are on my mind for some time...

The camera thing...I think Fujino forgot about it xD

 

[gaka200]

Hmn... i think i don't understand on couple of things in this game.

Could someone please explain to me:

1. What is it going with Rapist Inoda recordings sex and placing it in real life servers? He is getting paid? Does he do it on someones commission? Or it is just a vlog of his?
2. I don't get why they live close to each other almost the same apartment? How this even happened? Rapist Inoda and CucKirito
3. What is the point of Asuna-biatch Perk list? Why we don't have CucKirito and Rapist Inoda Perk list?
4. Why Administrator looks so damn overpowered? Shes like some kind of godess, which also has got capability of the insight into any brain? Is FOG reading much more data from human brains that they ever should?
5. FOG devices units can damage the brain waves yet nobody is concerned that may happen to other players and they do keep playing? I was thinking that they have said something about possible harm to abruptly disconnections (which mother of Asuna-biatch did to her... which could mean some brain changes also to her)
6. They installed cameras all over the entire town, but it has got no effects? Like nobody is even thinking about hacking them, not even CucKirito? Who could write a program and get unlimited access to those cameras? He wrote the program for Rapist Inoda...

I just want to know. Because some of those questions are on my mind for some time...

Some of the things you're asking about are from Part 1, and Fujino had a change in plans on their approach as they further developed Part 2. Anyways...

1. It's just a loser wanting to anonymously flaunt around that he banged a 10/10 (at least in their world they're going to say Asuna is a 10)
2. Convenient shit; don't think too hard about it.
3. When Part 2 was in earlier development, we discussed in here that the perk list is probably just to think Asuna is more hot and corrupted. Like you obviously see the action's she's doing, but the perk list is just further showcasing to the player (not Kirito), just how messed up Asuna is getting. Think of it as like "flavor text" in some video games. Like how they'll describe a sword in some RPG as a legendary weapon and blah blah blah.
4. We don't know enough about the administrator to know exactly. Supposedly she actually is a real goddess in this world, so that would mean she is infact supposed to be overpowered. But at the moment, she's done nothing but say cryptic shit to Kirito in the recollection room.
5. No clue whatsoever. It's probably going to never get mentioned again, and you just ignore it happened or something idk
6. I don't really think Kirito or others realize there's cameras all over the place. And even if they did, there's no real motive for why Kirito specifically would want to access those cameras right now I think.

 

[Aniky Light]

Some of the things you're asking about are from Part 1, and Fujino had a change in plans on their approach as they further developed Part 2. Anyways...

1. It's just a loser wanting to anonymously flaunt around that he banged a 10/10 (at least in their world they're going to say Asuna is a 10)
2. Convenient shit; don't think too hard about it.
3. When Part 2 was in earlier development, we discussed in here that the perk list is probably just to think Asuna is more hot and corrupted. Like you obviously see the action's she's doing, but the perk list is just further showcasing to the player (not Kirito), just how messed up Asuna is getting. Think of it as like "flavor text" in some video games. Like how they'll describe a sword in some RPG as a legendary weapon and blah blah blah.
4. We don't know enough about the administrator to know exactly. Supposedly she actually is a real goddess in this world, so that would mean she is infact supposed to be overpowered. But at the moment, she's done nothing but say cryptic shit to Kirito in the recollection room.
5. No clue whatsoever. It's probably going to never get mentioned again, and you just ignore it happened or something idk
6. I don't really think Kirito or others realize there's cameras all over the place. And even if they did, there's no real motive for why Kirito specifically would want to access those cameras right now I think.

And if those cameras are used to catch Asuna and Inoda fucking in every corner of the street and Kirito who is in the room where there are many monitors and watches them xD

p.s. Even if those aren't cameras but antennas

 

[mos555]

You could argue a lot of creators do infact compile other people's ideas. Just because you're using an idea or feature from somewhere else, does detract from their work. The execution of it, like how you mentioned with Fujino's 3D battle, can provide merit. But that's all I got and don't care enough to continue.

Yes, I understand, but they just call Fujino the "creator" here. Maybe the word "creator" is misunderstood in my language. There is a difference between the words "creator", "creator". Lol, the translator thinks it's the same word, even though they're different words in my language.

But if you try to explain it in English, then there is another word that can explain it - originator, that is, someone who created something original. In general, I wrote that there is nothing original about Fujino's game, so calling Fujino "creator", "originator" is too loud a word.

If we're talking about if Fujino's "worthy", well the only reason the dude would be worthy is how consistent they communicate and update. That is extremely worthy of praise and support.

Well, for communication and constant updates, perhaps it can be considered worthy and supported. My post was more focused on the fact that Fujino is called a "creator", a "writer of his stories", and even earlier (I don't know if you saw this post or not), Fujino was called "the best NTR writer", which made me laugh a lot. This is the moment where I don't intend to "lick ass", because Fujino's game is a salad of stolen ideas, characters, music, seasoned with cliche mayonnaise on top. Fujino, in my understanding, is not worthy of being called a "creator".

 

[gaka200]

Yes, I understand, but they just call Fujino the "creator" here. Maybe the word "creator" is misunderstood in my language. There is a difference between the words "creator", "creator". Lol, the translator thinks it's the same word, even though they're weird words in my language.

But if you try to explain it in English, then there is another word that can explain it - originator, that is, someone who created something original. In general, I wrote that there is nothing original about Fujino's game, so calling Fujino "creator", "originator" is too loud a word.

That helps a lot with understanding. Fujino doesn't have any original ideas, so they aren't the originator. But they executed known things well enough to get people interested and excited about the game, which means they're the creator of the game, or creator of the series of executions seen. If this didn't translate well into your language, then it's fine. I was able to get the gist of what you meant with this response.

Well, for communication and constant updates, perhaps it can be considered worthy and supported. My post was more focused on the fact that Fujino is called a "creator", a "writer of his stories", and even earlier (I don't know if you saw this post or not), Fujino was called "the best NTR writer", which made me laugh a lot. This is the moment where I don't intend to "lick ass", because Fujino's game is a salad of stolen ideas, characters, music, seasoned with cliche mayonnaise on top. Fujino, in my understanding, is not worthy of being called a "creator".
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I chimed in on this one, because it comes across that you're putting down Fujino as a whole. But yes in regards to licking ass, or praising, I wouldn't praise Fujino's writing skills. I don't know who specifically mentioned "the best NTR writer", but it feels like a good chunk do put Fujino on this high pedestal. I never once thought Fujino was "the best NTR writer", so anyone that says so is honestly pretty delusional.

On the flip side, I'm not going to say Fujino is bad. They're mediocre, but I think some of the praise comes from how this is probably the most "believable" SAO NTR game made so far. It's definitely why I enjoyed this game a lot.

Anyways, I got the memo and do infact understand; have a good day!

 

[mos555]

On the flip side, I'm not going to say Fujino is bad. They're mediocre, but I think some of the praise comes from how this is probably the most "believable" SAO NTR game made so far. It's definitely why I enjoyed this game a lot.

That's what I'm ready to express my respect to Fujino for, which is that he took on such a large-scale project in the SAO universe. Previously, all content on this topic was made up of amateur doujinshi and short 3D videos. But of course, there are many questions about the implementation... But I can't lie to myself or to people - Fujino's game is great masturbation material.

 

[darkbatVX]

It's still a question of who's the troll here...

I'm not talking about copyrights, but about the fact that Fujino didn't come up with anything of his own. The game is based on an someone else's title with someone else's characters with a bunch of ideas that are taken from other games - the communication screen from Armored Suit Solgante, statuses and perks from The Curse of Kubel, camera peeping, phone communication from Nebel Geisterjager, which was released a year before SAO part 1, battlefuck, for which Fujino is so praised, been in dozens of RPG NTR games long before SAO NTR, but I'll be honest, Fujino did better, especially in 3D.

This is my opinion, but I believe that all the content of SAO part 1 is taken from the Masaru arc, Scars of Summer(whoever played, it will understand - Masaru, a fat pimply guy who is bullied at school. He made Ryoka feel sorry for him and asked her to pretend to be his girlfriend, and then a hand job, and finally sex on a rainy night, though not at his house, but at a construction site. Does it remind you of anything?).

So what did Fujino "create" that makes him a "talented creator"?(in my understanding, a creator is someone who really creates something, and not just compiles other people's creativity and other people's ideas). What did Fujino create of his own, besides the story that he tried to adapt to the realities of SAO? But, as you can see, it doesn't work out very well. . Fujino had to turn canonical SAO characters into cliched characters from hundreds of NTR games to make his story work.

And please don't talk about beautiful 3D scenes. This is Koikatsu, and there are presets for characters, poses, and locations.(and the locations from SAO are there too, I watched). Fujino takes a character card, selects a location, selects poses and presses, exposes camera and presses the take frame-by-frame animation button. If Fujino worked in VAM (Virt-A-Mate), I would reconsider my view, because even with presets, it is much more difficult to work in VAM. I'm not saying anything about working at RPGM, as it can be called the technical part of the job, not the creative part.

I'm not scolding or hating Fujino in any way, I'm just suggesting that we face the truth. I don't see the point in licking the ass of someone who isn't particularly worthy of it.
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This whole thread is about Fujino’s work. People come here because, in one way or another, they’re drawn to it. Sure, some might think it’s bad—they tried the game and left with critical comments. But you? You’ve been dismissing almost everything about the project except the art, repeating the same points for months, maybe longer. And you even think that anything good in Fujino’s work is borrowed, and anything original is a mess. To me, that kind of behavior is straight-up trolling.

You say you don’t “hate” Fujino, but constantly targeting someone with negative comments—that sounds a lot like dislike, if not outright hatred. The amount of time you’ve spent in this thread doesn’t exactly suggest you’re here from a “rational, neutral, or objective” standpoint.

Honestly, what work doesn’t borrow ideas from others? I don’t see inspiration as a flaw—and Fujino hasn’t hidden where he draws inspiration from either. And those works you keep bringing up as “original”—you really think they didn’t take cues from older classics?

You’re free to criticize Fujino—that’s your opinion and your right. But that doesn’t make those who enjoy his work “licking the ass of someone who isn’t particularly worthy of it.”

Oh, and just one more thing—using memes to try and prove you’re right is pretty childish and honestly kind of dumb.

 

[Mr Technician]

I wonder if you've been asleep all this time, you don't have to bet that teddy bear is a camera, because it is a camera, we've talked about it at length and thanks to the bearcam that Suguha knows about Inoda and Asuna

Well, i started to play maybe like a week ago. So, i am a little "fresh" in here. Judging by the 1900+ pages on this threat - discussion around here goes over a years now...

 

[kinglionheart]

I don't know if you're saying you actually think Fujino was trying to milk their cash cow or not. I never really got the impression, considering you can literally pay almost nothing to get the update. The nonsensical plot points is just showcasing Fujino was never this talented GOATED writer that people have been talking about. They're definitely good, but a lot of people put Fujino too high on a pedestal I think or something?

Fujino choose to use SAO as his basis because it is an popular franchise with existing fans. So yes, he is milking an cash cow, which is what I meant.

I was not saying he is trying to prolong his game to get more money out of his followers. But it has been prolonged. Maybe because of bad planning, negative feedback, etc he had to retcon and add new plot devices. Which snowballs into increasing nonsensical story but he invested too much to just stop.

 

[Mr Technician]

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4. We don't know enough about the administrator to know exactly. Supposedly she actually is a real goddess in this world, so that would mean she is infact supposed to be overpowered. But at the moment, she's done nothing but say cryptic shit to Kirito in the recollection room.
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Thank you very much for giving insight! That helps a lot. However, i am not sure what Administrator actually does to CucKirito. Is it like Perk changing, or brain fixing, or what it is... There are at least two text scenes that i am sure she did something to him. It was like brain-messing maybe. One giving him some kind of "power" but not explaining it, in second - she did some "fixing".
I still don't understand fully what it did to him, because he never actually answers to her or speak to her. I wonder why that is.

 

[Aniky Light]

Well, i started to play maybe like a week ago. So, i am a little "fresh" in here. Judging by the 1900+ pages on this threat - discussion around here goes over a years now...

if you noticed, even in the hospital where Kirito was hospitalized there was a bearcam

 

[kinglionheart]

Thank you very much for giving insight! That helps a lot. However, i am not sure what Administrator actually does to CucKirito. Is it like Perk changing, or brain fixing, or what it is... There are at least two text scenes that i am sure she did something to him. It was like brain-messing maybe. One giving him some kind of "power" but not explaining it, in second - she did some "fixing".
I still don't understand fully what it did to him, because he never actually answers to her or speak to her. I wonder why that is.

Administrator is some sort of God that can affect the real world in a limited way. This is why The Council is trying to bring her into the real world so she will be more powerful and grant their wishes. Pretty much everything she does is for her amusement. The only things she done to Kirito is bring him into her world, the recollection room, to show him the truth. Then make him forget everything so her fun can continue. She did recently give him some powers but we don't know what that means yet. She doesn't change perks or brain fixing.

She done a lot for Inoda too. Besides his incredible luck and OP invisible powers maybe came from her, she gives Inoda the right knowledge at the right time to seduce Asuna.

She is a excuse for the more ridiculous things in the game. It is best to see her as an audience reaction to the current game or gives hints to future game.

 

[Aniky Light]

I wonder, has there ever been a back-and-forth between Quinella and Kirito in the dream world? Why is it that every time I go to see the administrator, only she speaks and not both of them, perhaps asking questions about the purpose of the power she gave Kirito or why is it that Quinella speaks like a doctor's handwriting and it's not clear what he means?

 

[mos555]

Yeah...

You’ve been dismissing almost everything about the project except the art, repeating the same points for months, maybe longer. And you even think that anything good in Fujino’s work is borrowed, and anything original is a mess. To me, that kind of behavior is straight-up trolling.

Where, at least in one of my posts, have I "dismissing" almost everything related to the project? I just wrote what I think and what I see. I can only express my opinion, and how objective it is is everyone's subjective opinion. Even if I brushed it off, did I tell a lie somewhere? That the game of Fujino is essentially a Frankenstein, assembled from what was invented and created (really created, and not stolen from someone) by other people (this is obvious, if the ideas existed before the game of Fujino, then these ideas have an author), who stands on the weak legs of a cliched narrative. What does trolling have to do with it?

You say you don’t “hate” Fujino, but constantly targeting someone with negative comments—that sounds a lot like dislike, if not outright hatred. The amount of time you’ve spent in this thread doesn’t exactly suggest you’re here from a “rational, neutral, or objective” standpoint.

There is no one here who hates Fujino at all, for one simple reason - no one knows him. So I obviously don't hate Fujino. You should separate hating a person and hating what they do. And "hate" is too strong a word. I'm just disappointed that someone calls Fujino a creator or a writer, even though he didn't create almost anything of his own and didn't write anything strikingly different from many of the same NTR stories. If you call compiling and writing scripts in the RPGM engine creativity (from the word creativity), then I have nothing to say here.

Honestly, what work doesn’t borrow ideas from others? I don’t see inspiration as a flaw—and Fujino hasn’t hidden where he draws inspiration from either. And those works you keep bringing up as “original”—you really think they didn’t take cues from older classics?

Well, this is the famous excuse - "if others steal, then it means I can too." Sorry, they don't steal, they get inspired. And other people's ideas are not the most important thing here. In case you forgot, Fujino is essentially using someone else's intellectual property for free - the SAO novel, music from games and TV series. And at the same time, he sells it all for money. And that's what you call creativity? Someone else's creativity (really creativity, not "creativity"), other people's game techniques, someone else's 3D aggregator of video scenes - what remains from Fujino in this game? A cliched second-rate plot?

You’re free to criticize Fujino—that’s your opinion and your right. But that doesn’t make those who enjoy his work “licking the ass of someone who isn’t particularly worthy of it.”

I've never criticized Fujino. The whole point of the post was that you called Fujino a "creator" and wrote that "this is his story," but I disagree with that because Fujino didn't create anything himself, except scripts and compiling everything in the RPG engine, and his story is based on SAO and her characters and without the backstory of SAO Fujino's story doesn't work at all. Okay, we can call it fanfiction, but then please give it away for free. And that's all I was saying, I do not know where you found Fujino's criticism here. I do not know Fujino and I cannot criticize him, I criticize his approach to acquiring and selling content.

Did I tell a lie somewhere? Did I say something wrong about borrowing someone else's content and using it in bad faith? If people realize the obvious and continue to call Fujino a creator and writer, then it's just "ass licking," and if they don't realize it, God is their judge.

Oh, and just one more thing—using memes to try and prove you’re right is pretty childish and honestly kind of dumb.

You forgot to add that this is your personal opinion, otherwise you called everyone who uses memes stupid and exposed it as an immutable truth that everyone knows. In fact, for me, memes and animations are an enhancement of the visual effect to reinforce white letters on a gray background or just to express a short opinion. I don't use memes to prove my point- it's purely an entertainment element.


P.S. And so that there are no questions about why I didn't leave this thread, if I don't like the game, then firstly it's interesting here, and secondly it's my habit, quirk or OCD - I can't leave something unfinished if I quit the series, book, movie. anime halfway through, without finishing - it will be unpleasant to drill into my brain until I finish. Even if a TV series, book, movie, or anime is complete shit. That's why I'll be here until the end. It's easier for me to ignore the fall of the game into the pit than my own inner voice, which says (in Voldemort's voice) - "we need to finish, we haven't finished yet, there are 2 more series, suddenly there's something interesting"

 

[Mr Technician]

Administrator is some sort of God that can affect the real world in a limited way. This is why The Council is trying to bring her into the real world so she will be more powerful and grant their wishes. Pretty much everything she does is for her amusement. The only things she done to Kirito is bring him into her world, the recollection room, to show him the truth. Then make him forget everything so her fun can continue. She did recently give him some powers but we don't know what that means yet. She doesn't change perks or brain fixing.

She done a lot for Inoda too. Besides his incredible luck and OP invisible powers maybe came from her, she gives Inoda the right knowledge at the right time to seduce Asuna.

She is a excuse for the more ridiculous things in the game. It is best to see her as an audience reaction to the current game or gives hints to future game.

I see. So, from the game perspective. This would be possible if mixed reality is created. Like a bridge from real world to FOG. Why i get the feeling Yui might be involved into that... Does the Council know about her existence in FOG?

 

[Aniky Light]

That app that lets you pray to unlock Asuna's stats—when did it appear? Was it before Quinella gave Kirito the gift or after? If it's after, then it makes me think that's Quinella's gift.

Anyway, it's just a hypothesis.

The only plausible theory is that Fujino included the app for the players' convenience, but then why didn't he do it sooner?

 

[Aniky Light]

In my opinion, the story between Asuna and Inoda is just the tip of the iceberg, the rest is bigger than we think

 

[Mr Technician]

That app that lets you pray to unlock Asuna's stats—when did it appear? Was it before Quinella gave Kirito the gift or after? If it's after, then it makes me think that's Quinella's gift.

Anyway, it's just a hypothesis.

The only plausible theory is that Fujino included the app for the players' convenience, but then why didn't he do it sooner?

Actually, when he prays... He prays to the Godess he meets in his dreams? What happens if for examples - he didn't pray at all? Like never.