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harem.king

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Every page here is filled with the same whining—"Oh, it's AI, I've been trained to hate it, unlike *real artists* lol.
> Trained to hate it
lol. lmao even.
nobody was "trained" to hate AI. we gave it a fair shake. it just looks bad.

Or is what you mean that "we grew up consuming high quality hand drawn art and top quality 3d art. which trained us enjoy quality and hate trash"?
because... yea, sure. I was "trained" to hate trash quality art by all that good art I consumed over the decades.
I won't apologize for liking quality and hating trash.

I will happily consume AI made art if it was actually good. In fact, I very much like AI backgrounds, because AI is good at making backgrounds. Not so much when drawing humans
 
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taler

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Ttales went from having a unique and appealing art style, to the same generic overly plump and shiny AI generated bimbo slop with vaguely similar faces. It sucks and can barely be considered art anymore.
People need to be less lazy with AI and learn a few different styles to prompt with. AI can do anything but if you're too stupid to do more than one thing then it can't save you.
 

BlaBlaCat

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Ttales went from having a unique and appealing art style, to the same generic overly plump and shiny AI generated bimbo slop with vaguely similar faces. It sucks and can barely be considered art anymore.
I get what you’re saying. But it’s learning and improving its mistakes.
In the latest update, there was hardly any of that, if any at all.
> Trained to hate it
lol. lmao even.
nobody was "trained" to hate AI. we gave it a fair shake. it just looks bad.

Or is what you mean that "we grew up consuming high quality hand drawn art and top quality 3d art. which trained us enjoy quality and hate trash"?
because... yea, sure. I was "trained" to hate trash quality art by all that good art I consumed over the decades.
I won't apologize for liking quality and hating trash.
Yes, in our adult industry, there are some genuinely talented and powerful artists (who could easily make a good living in mainstream industries). Of course, they exist, but there are very, very few of them. Most of the truly skilled artists, unfortunately, leave for the mainstream industry - ArtStation is proof of that. And yeah, Uber falls into this category, maybe not at the start of his career, but definitely now.

Let’s move on - 99% of the games here are DAZ 3D garbage (and it’s not DAZ's fault—everything is poorly rendered, lacks proper composition, lighting, color balance, with basic, downloaded models, clothes, backgrounds, and so on). Are you kidding me? What kind of “high-quality” 3D did you get used to here? None of these creators would ever get hired in a regular studio. It’s not even funny, buddy. (Yeah, I still think that if these DAZ projects exist, it's because they have satisfied players - so it’s justified. But it doesn’t change my point above.)
I won't apologize for liking quality and hating trash.
Yeah, we get it, you're posing with your refined taste. Lol, you guys are hilarious.

I will happily consume AI made art if it was actually good.
With each new piece, he's actually moving closer to using AI as a tool to refine his work properly - calling something AI-made just shows your ignorance and lack of understanding about how it works. AI can't create things independently in complex projects from a single prompt, etc. In the industry (including Uber’s), it’s just another tool, another function to improve the work.
In fact, I very much like AI backgrounds, because AI is good at making backgrounds. Not so much when drawing humans
And this is the funniest part, proving even more that you have no clue about what you’re talking about. Try creating a street in Uber’s style using AI, with high resolution, complete with houses, windows, doors, roads, details, etc. You’re in for a big surprise, but of course, you won’t admit it.

I’ll just adjust the crown on your avatar again. Right now, neither Flux, nor Pony, nor anything that came before can do it right without you spending dozens of hours cleaning up mistakes. And this problem applies to almost any task, but you picked one of the worst examples, lol. Go ahead, hero.
People need to be less lazy with AI and learn a few different styles to prompt with. AI can do anything but if you're too stupid to do more than one thing then it can't save you.
No, it can’t. It might be able to in the future, but not right now. A prompt won’t handle complex compositions, sequential stories, poses, and so on. It’s just one part of an artist’s job. For now, you still need hands-on work and constant retouching.

You’re right that Flux has significantly boosted prompt strength. But there are other issues leftover from the XL series, and the model is still pretty rough.
 
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taler

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No, it can’t. It might be able to in the future, but not right now. A prompt won’t handle complex compositions, sequential stories, poses, and so on. It’s just one part of an artist’s job. For now, you still need hands-on work and constant retouching.

You’re right that Flux has significantly boosted prompt strength. But there are other issues leftover from the XL series, and the model is still pretty rough.
A prompt won't but all of this is trivial since the developer is already an artist, a rough sketch with controlnet can easily still result in 98% of time savings. I was commenting on issues with the characters looking too samey.
 

BlaBlaCat

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A prompt won't but all of this is trivial since the developer is already an artist, a rough sketch with controlnet can easily still result in 98% of time savings. I was commenting on issues with the characters looking too samey.
You seem like a reasonable guy, and I don’t want to end up in another argument here. But you’re totally wrong on this. All those examples with ControlNet look impressive in flashy YouTube videos. When it comes to real, specific tasks, ControlNet ends up being more of a hassle than a help. OpenPose is far from perfect and only really works well with simple poses, and even then, there are caveats. Plus, it often strips away the artistic quality of poses and overall composition.

API adapters are much more useful, but they’re still far from ideal, and sometimes it’s faster and easier to just do everything manually with basic image-to-image tools. Depth and Canny are also pretty niche, and when you right Denoising strength, they don’t add much value.

In other words, none of these tools can do even half of the work. And there’s a bigger problem artists face: the neural network pushes the overall quality level of the project higher, which makes it harder to maintain that quality during redrawing, editing, and so on. In other words, the neural network creates new challenges and problems. You have to fundamentally change your approach and adjust your mindset to work with it.

And again, that’s if we’re talking about large, sequential projects - not a quick wow-factor clip of a kitten with an RPG on YouTube.
 
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mizuchi321

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Every page here is filled with the same whining—"Oh, it's AI, I've been trained to hate it, unlike *real artists* lol.

Guys, I've been in the industry for over 10 years (no, I won’t be providing proof), and I can speak on behalf of artists. Let me say this again on this forum: if we're not talking about straight-up AI garbage prompts, the way Uber is using AI is just another tool, and that's a good thing. It's no different from any other tool. Your tears and knee-jerk lamenting are more than a little amusing. Yes, AI is going to push a lot of mediocrity out of the market right now, and eventually, it will push out everyone else too—but that’s life, and that’s normal. It’s the wind of change, folks.

This is literally the revolt of *shitscreenwriters* from Hollywood and the people they’ve brainwashed into thinking that AI is soulless, terrible, and wrong.

At least the screenwriters have an excuse—they’re useless, they know they’re useless, their time is up, and they don’t want to retrain into a field that’s more useful to society. But as for the rest, the consumers with zero experience in anything, they have absolutely no excuse.

Bitter complainers are still holding each other tight, crying about, "Oh no, it's AI. Is it AI? Guys? Ai is bad, right?"—and that's pretty funny, too.

Did Uber make mistakes? Absolutely. There were plenty. Was their initial use of AI clunky? For sure. But now they’re heading in the right direction, and they’re doing a great job. The art has improved a lot—fact. I’ve explained all of this with detailed examples before.

And to those whining about Uber stopping updates—blame Patreon and its wonderful policies. That wasn't Uber's decision. They’re taking the only viable path now. Yes, it’s risky, but there’s no other way.

Uber, hang in there—and for the love of God, put me on the team already (I am joking). I'm busting my ass for you. Cheers.
"lol no I wont be providing proof"
well there you go
 

WARC4NNON

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i love how people complain about artists create content using ai but they never have really seen complete ai work, for example there are h-games out there that only use ai and the difference is enormous, so when a artist decides to use ai just a little bit for fine tuning to save a little extra time give him some slack you want content more often dont you
 

WARC4NNON

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That's all you've got? Just repeating someone else's joke? Pff, next.
dont wrry about harem.king btw, ive seen him in like 3 other forums and all he does is complain about everything that doesn't go the way he wants it to go, for example he is in another forum for DLOMC Daily lives of my countryside and he complains about the content getting added cause its not exactly what he wants even tho the content that gets added to that game is based of majority rules through a selection on a poll, and he complains that its taking 6 months to make the update even tho theres like 20 something scenes that gets added per update and this new update is coming out in like a week or 2 but he still complaining it takes to long
 

ckt99

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"I don’t judge their fans or the artist"
This is a funny joke. This is a forum for adult games, the devs have released a message about their "progress". We are making our own opinions on the matter. You have a opinion like everyone else but replying to every comment like a full on Karen in the wild is a but much?
And my signatures are bitchin thank you very much
 

harem.king

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Let’s move on - 99% of the games here are DAZ 3D garbage
... no. most trash 3d is NOT daz3d. it is honey select set to minimum graphics settings. sometimes koikatsu.
daz3d is usually actually pretty decent and rather rare. although bad daz3d exists as well of course.

But what of it?
You are trying to defend trash A by pointing out that trash B exists.
This creates the strawman that anyone who hates trash A loves trash B. which is simply not true.
They are not mentioning trash B because it is off topic. As this game uses trash A (AI)

There are plenty of trash 3DCG games out there whom I loathe for their bad 3DCG. and plenty of excellent 3DCG I enjoy.
 
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Vakul

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Wow, no actual content, but a new shill arriwed. And with 10 years of secret experiance, no less. Awesome!
Too bad, there is no content since, what was it, february? But we all should respect AI, for some reason, even if dev is dumb and lazy enough to release unedited pictures with spare butt parts.
I call this - outstanding progress!
Question is - what will be done before february 2025? Will it be Zero-content-anniversary?
 

taler

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You seem like a reasonable guy, and I don’t want to end up in another argument here. But you’re totally wrong on this. All those examples with ControlNet look impressive in flashy YouTube videos. When it comes to real, specific tasks, ControlNet ends up being more of a hassle than a help. OpenPose is far from perfect and only really works well with simple poses, and even then, there are caveats. Plus, it often strips away the artistic quality of poses and overall composition.

API adapters are much more useful, but they’re still far from ideal, and sometimes it’s faster and easier to just do everything manually with basic image-to-image tools. Depth and Canny are also pretty niche, and when you right Denoising strength, they don’t add much value.

In other words, none of these tools can do even half of the work. And there’s a bigger problem artists face: the neural network pushes the overall quality level of the project higher, which makes it harder to maintain that quality during redrawing, editing, and so on. In other words, the neural network creates new challenges and problems. You have to fundamentally change your approach and adjust your mindset to work with it.

And again, that’s if we’re talking about large, sequential projects - not a quick wow-factor clip of a kitten with an RPG on YouTube.
Yes OpenPose is completely useless for anything beyond the most basic, but lineart and depth are both great, and you're supposed to combine them not just use 1 or the other. Lineart specifically is intended for exactly this purpose. For an artist who can sketch a quick scene with composition, the AI is great at filling in the rest. I would also say you can extract lineart from real life porn screencaps, that also saves a ton of work.

Conversely I think IPAdapters are not useful for this purpose.

I agree it adds new challenges in redrawing and other issues, not quite a panacea, but those new challenges are much much less work than having to actually draw the whole picture yourself. I'm still going with a very high number on the time saved. You do need to be quite adept at using AI though, and have your own 4090 which I know not everyone has.
 

dunno6988

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Ttales went from having a unique and appealing art style, to the same generic overly plump and shiny AI generated bimbo slop with vaguely similar faces. It sucks and can barely be considered art anymore.
Wait you mean they changed from having almost different art style at different angles to 1 simple art style? Like how it had anime like, western like, ai like and mesh of all at different scenes. I bet the best visible was in 47b.
 

harem.king

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Wait you mean they changed from having almost different art style at different angles to 1 simple art style? Like how it had anime like, western like, ai like and mesh of all at different scenes. I bet the best visible was in 47b.
No, they went from having a unique hand drawn artstyle.
To using an AI trained on their own art.
It is the same style. But everything is off.
Muscle groups are all wrongs, proportions have subtle mistakes.
Occasional major errors like the infamous 3 anuses. or the typical extra finger and so on that AI always does
 

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No, they went from having a unique hand drawn artstyle.
I try to understand this point quite hard, sometimes wondering if it's worth it or not, but maybe the problem really is just me prefering consistency. Now I'm not saying AI art is consistent but just because something is hand drawn doesn't give it a free pass.
 
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All I'm saying is let me bust my nut in Natalie arguably shes one of the hottest cast more then Becca and the others just lay off the gay Danny content
 

harem.king

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I try to understand this point quite hard, sometimes wondering if it's worth it or not, but maybe the problem really is just me prefering consistency. Now I'm not saying AI art is consistent but just because something is hand drawn doesn't give it a free pass.
... you were not quoting an argument.
It said nothing about quality.

You were quoting a clarification, to someone who is confused on what happened, about the HISTORY of this game.
Namely, it used to be hand drawn in an unique style, now it is AI made. the AI was trained on the hand drawn art.

You say you don't understand "this point".
what point? what points are you imagining I am trying to make?
what free pass?
 
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