Unity Taffy Tales [S5 v1.07.3c] [UberPie]

[Maulis47]

... you were not quoting an argument.
It said nothing about quality.

You were quoting a clarification, to someone who is confused on what happened, about the HISTORY of this game.
Namely, it used to be hand drawn in an unique style, now it is AI made. the AI was trained on the hand drawn art.

You say you don't understand "this point".
what point? what points are you imagining I am trying to make?
what free pass?

My bad, it's true it wasn't exactly in subject. Just heard it said one too many times.

 

[DatGuy20]

... no. most trash 3d is NOT daz3d. it is honey select set to minimum graphics settings. sometimes koikatsu.
daz3d is usually actually pretty decent and rather rare. although bad daz3d exists as well of course.

But what of it?
You are trying to defend trash A by pointing out that trash B exists.
This creates the strawman that anyone who hates trash A loves trash B. which is simply not true.
They are not mentioning trash B because it is off topic. As this game uses trash A (AI)

There are plenty of trash 3DCG games out there whom I loathe for their bad 3DCG. and plenty of excellent 3DCG I enjoy.

HS games tend to be way better than the Daz3D games no idea what you're on about

 

[BlaBlaCat]

... no. most trash 3d is NOT daz3d. it is honey select set to minimum graphics settings. sometimes koikatsu.
daz3d is usually actually pretty decent and rather rare. although bad daz3d exists as well of course.

But what of it?
You are trying to defend trash A by pointing out that trash B exists.
This creates the strawman that anyone who hates trash A loves trash B. which is simply not true.
They are not mentioning trash B because it is off topic. As this game uses trash A (AI)

There are plenty of trash 3DCG games out there whom I loathe for their bad 3DCG. and plenty of excellent 3DCG I enjoy.

Honey Select has a more anime/Asian style for its characters, while most visual novels made with Daz3D have a different look. You can tell by the backgrounds and the characters that Daz3D is much more prominent in Western indie projects. If a 3D visual novel is made in the West, it's almost always done in Daz3D. I honestly didn't expect us to argue over something so obvious.

Regarding AI-generated content, I've explained my stance many times: there’s the type of AI content that's purely prompt-generated (which is almost always trash for a variety of reasons, not just because of technical flaws), and then there's AI being used as a tool to refine artwork, like 3D modeling, photobashing, or filters. This second approach is the future of the industry, despite the outcry from old-school artists who refuse to adapt or learn, along with the confused masses who are upset over the flood of low-quality, AI-generated junk that's filled the internet.

Wow, no actual content, but a new shill arriwed. And with 10 years of secret experiance, no less. Awesome!
Too bad, there is no content since, what was it, february? But we all should respect AI, for some reason, even if dev is dumb and lazy enough to release unedited pictures with spare butt parts.
I call this - outstanding progress!
Question is - what will be done before february 2025? Will it be Zero-content-anniversary?

Yes, we get it - you’re trying to be sarcastic, but you lack the intelligence or time to actually dive into the subject without superficial judgments. It’s much easier to sit back and ask rhetorical questions with an air of (false) wisdom, isn’t it?

For the really slow ones out there: the increase in quality is obvious. Arguments about laziness and “dumbing down” are laughable and easily dismissed. Go ahead, tell me more about the “scammer,” or how upset you are over NTR, or anything else along those lines. I’ve already explained why NPCs rely on such generic arguments and can’t answer any moderately technical questions - whether it’s about art, AI, or the industry. Oh right, it’s the hive mind of NPCs. You’re all so predictable and funny. Moving on.

Yes OpenPose is completely useless for anything beyond the most basic, but lineart and depth are both great, and you're supposed to combine them not just use 1 or the other. Lineart specifically is intended for exactly this purpose. For an artist who can sketch a quick scene with composition, the AI is great at filling in the rest. I would also say you can extract lineart from real life porn screencaps, that also saves a ton of work.

Conversely I think IPAdapters are not useful for this purpose.

I agree it adds new challenges in redrawing and other issues, not quite a panacea, but those new challenges are much much less work than having to actually draw the whole picture yourself. I'm still going with a very high number on the time saved. You do need to be quite adept at using AI though, and have your own 4090 which I know not everyone has.

You didn’t disappoint - I can tell you’re one of the few here who actually understands what you’re talking about and doesn’t just throw around slogans. Respect. I mostly agree with you, but line art and depth can limit the form of an object, making it more technical/photorealistic/3D. It can take away from the artistic aspect. Yes, I know you can limit and use these techniques sparingly, but I guess it all comes down to taste and skill. And yeah, that’s mostly true for characters and actions, not so much for backgrounds, where these techniques are definitely more useful.

It’s hard to explain, but for me, I’ve realized that these two elements (line art and definition) tend to get in the way. But to each their own.

Wait you mean they changed from having almost different art style at different angles to 1 simple art style? Like how it had anime like, western like, ai like and mesh of all at different scenes. I bet the best visible was in 47b.

Even though you’re not exactly a fan of Uber’s style, you’re spot on. He was always experimenting, often unsuccessfully, and it’s tough to define a consistent style in his work, especially over the years. But I like where he’s ended up.

No, they went from having a unique hand drawn artstyle.
To using an AI trained on their own art.
It is the same style. But everything is off.
Muscle groups are all wrongs, proportions have subtle mistakes.
Occasional major errors like the infamous 3 anuses. or the typical extra finger and so on that AI always does

You're missing the point. Your conversation partner is right - his style has been very fluid and evolving. Try listening for a change. All the talk about muscles and fingers is getting old. He’s fixed most of that and is moving forward, while a few people here are still recycling the same tired arguments.

To be fair, when he was making those earlier attempts, he was working with much weaker models, like 1.5 and XL. Things are a lot stronger and easier now.

I try to understand this point quite hard, sometimes wondering if it's worth it or not, but maybe the problem really is just me prefering consistency. Now I'm not saying AI art is consistent but just because something is hand drawn doesn't give it a free pass.

No, you’re absolutely right - no sarcasm. Don’t pay any attention to him.

HS games tend to be way better than the Daz3D games no idea what you're on about

Yes, they're definitely better, but there’s still much less of that on the Western market compared to the Daz3D stuff (not to offend fans of Daz3D).

 

[KrLosZ]

Every time I come to this forum there are discussions, the AI doesn't really bother me but I didn't feel like the updates came out any faster because of that so I don't see the improvement, it's really sad what's happening with this game.

 

[Count Morado]

I think you are right in term of the release date. My prediction, it would be around December or New Year.. Hopefully i am wrong here..

I think you're going to find out you're wrong. Based upon the pace and lack of information on actual progress --- it will most likely be later in 2025.

I will happily consume AI made art if it was actually good. In fact, I very much like AI backgrounds, because AI is good at making backgrounds. Not so much when drawing humans

Same. But, I will say I've seen other people provide very good AI generated images of humans and 2d work in other venues; however, the shift in style of Uberpie's hand-done art to the uncanny valley AI generation of its interpretation of that style isn't my thing - particularly when we see such imperfections and errors posted online (and included in the game) without any real reflection of effort in revision to fix it. At least there has been seen some fixes of that triple-asshole art in later updates.

Is it fine or preferred for others? Okay. But I find it off-putting and does lessen the experience for me.

Muscle groups are all wrongs, proportions have subtle mistakes.

Agreed.

How do i use the gallery unlocker?

Don't.

Just use the codes to unlock previous content and unlock the save that starts and new, take a few hours to play to get all your content. If you'd done so when asking about the unlocker, by this time you would have had a full gallery and full save.

I didn't feel like the updates came out any faster because of that so I don't see the improvement

Uberpie has used AI generation to create more images per update (though, not necessarily more images with lewd content - but more images of the scenes between lewd content) rather than keep the number of images reasonably the same while quickening the pace of development. That's their choice, and its a valid one if that is the vision for the project.

That said, the shift from continuing the story to creating a "Season 1" excerpt of the current introduction content from v0.89.8 (not all of it, but a portion of it) - has extended the delay. Even though Uberpie announced when public responding to Patreon's closing of his account that the team "nearly made a short update, by the way, lol, always wanting to do something in 3-4 months instead of 6-8, and we almost (double lol) succeeded."

That announcement was 1.5 months after the last release - so what is being implied is that the team was halfway (or so) done with a short update, but trashed it instead of completing it by the end of April or May, in favor of immediately revamping whatever portion of v0.89.8 they are calling "Season 1."

Uberpie could have released something in April or May (June?) 2024 on their new Subscribestar page but chose not to --- if what Uberpie stated about a short update is true.

Again, that's their choice.

 

[succhiale]

You seem like a reasonable guy, and I don’t want to end up in another argument here. But you’re totally wrong on this. All those examples with ControlNet look impressive in flashy YouTube videos. When it comes to real, specific tasks, ControlNet ends up being more of a hassle than a help. OpenPose is far from perfect and only really works well with simple poses, and even then, there are caveats. Plus, it often strips away the artistic quality of poses and overall composition.

I've tried working with OpenPose and I'm willing to sign off on what you say - everything is so cool and rosy in the YouTube videos, but when it comes to cool poses, especially adult - OpenPose generates something that looks like a six-armed and six-legged creature.

In other words, none of these tools can do even half of the work. And there’s a bigger problem artists face: the neural network pushes the overall quality level of the project higher, which makes it harder to maintain that quality during redrawing, editing, and so on. In other words, the neural network creates new challenges and problems. You have to fundamentally change your approach and adjust your mindset to work with it.

Quite an important thought that many people don't think about. Okay, let's imagine that Uber will give up AI because of a lot of hate. Now imagine if the art in the game changes from at least high resolution and high detail art (yes, with 6 fingers, I won't even argue about that) to what it was before? No, Uber's style is very good, it's hard to argue, but look at even the artwork replaced in 0.82.4 (if I'm not mistaken). Yes, they all lose to quality AI art of Uber (in my opinion, Uber has quality and low-quality art, from low-quality - Clara, which was on the desk in one of the previous announcements). How do you envision a return to such?

Let’s move on - 99% of the games here are DAZ 3D garbage (and it’s not DAZ's fault—everything is poorly rendered, lacks proper composition, lighting, color balance, with basic, downloaded models, clothes, backgrounds, and so on). Are you kidding me? What kind of “high-quality” 3D did you get used to here? None of these creators would ever get hired in a regular studio. It’s not even funny, buddy. (Yeah, I still think that if these DAZ projects exist, it's because they have satisfied players - so it’s justified. But it doesn’t change my point above.)

And here, too, I agree. Almost any game created with DAZ reminds me of a puppet show rather than an adult game. In my opinion, DAZ is much worse than AI, but what now - I run to all DAZ games and write: noooo, DAZ is a complete shit, close the project and do not disgrace yourself? Ridiculous.

 

[Krat0$]

NEW POST


5. Why Others Don’t Do It

maybe just maybe they dont wanna milk the game instead finish it and move on to the next project.

 

[Throwaway400miles]

I get what you’re saying. But it’s learning and improving its mistakes.
In the latest update, there was hardly any of that, if any at all.

Yes, in our adult industry, there are some genuinely talented and powerful artists (who could easily make a good living in mainstream industries). Of course, they exist, but there are very, very few of them. Most of the truly skilled artists, unfortunately, leave for the mainstream industry - ArtStation is proof of that. And yeah, Uber falls into this category, maybe not at the start of his career, but definitely now.

Let’s move on - 99% of the games here are DAZ 3D garbage (and it’s not DAZ's fault—everything is poorly rendered, lacks proper composition, lighting, color balance, with basic, downloaded models, clothes, backgrounds, and so on). Are you kidding me? What kind of “high-quality” 3D did you get used to here? None of these creators would ever get hired in a regular studio. It’s not even funny, buddy. (Yeah, I still think that if these DAZ projects exist, it's because they have satisfied players - so it’s justified. But it doesn’t change my point above.)

Yeah, we get it, you're posing with your refined taste. Lol, you guys are hilarious.


With each new piece, he's actually moving closer to using AI as a tool to refine his work properly - calling something AI-made just shows your ignorance and lack of understanding about how it works. AI can't create things independently in complex projects from a single prompt, etc. In the industry (including Uber’s), it’s just another tool, another function to improve the work.

And this is the funniest part, proving even more that you have no clue about what you’re talking about. Try creating a street in Uber’s style using AI, with high resolution, complete with houses, windows, doors, roads, details, etc. You’re in for a big surprise, but of course, you won’t admit it.

I’ll just adjust the crown on your avatar again. Right now, neither Flux, nor Pony, nor anything that came before can do it right without you spending dozens of hours cleaning up mistakes. And this problem applies to almost any task, but you picked one of the worst examples, lol. Go ahead, hero.


No, it can’t. It might be able to in the future, but not right now. A prompt won’t handle complex compositions, sequential stories, poses, and so on. It’s just one part of an artist’s job. For now, you still need hands-on work and constant retouching.

You’re right that Flux has significantly boosted prompt strength. But there are other issues leftover from the XL series, and the model is still pretty rough.

I swear this Blablacat is the ai artist for this game, tries to defend his paycheck like no tommorow over ai pooped out art

 

[tinypenis420]

I swear this Blablacat is the ai artist for this game, tries to defend his paycheck like no tommorow over ai pooped out art

Just set them to ignored and move on. I did that months ago and I come back and they are still posting. No one if forcing you to read it.

I do agree though some people comment and argue on here like they are getting paid to do it lol

 

[Vakul]

Yes, we get it - you’re trying to be sarcastic, but you lack the intelligence or time to actually dive into the subject without superficial judgments. It’s much easier to sit back and ask rhetorical questions with an air of (false) wisdom, isn’t it?

For the really slow ones out there: the increase in quality is obvious. Arguments about laziness and “dumbing down” are laughable and easily dismissed. Go ahead, tell me more about the “scammer,” or how upset you are over NTR, or anything else along those lines. I’ve already explained why NPCs rely on such generic arguments and can’t answer any moderately technical questions - whether it’s about art, AI, or the industry. Oh right, it’s the hive mind of NPCs. You’re all so predictable and funny. Moving on.

Don't waste your sith things, my people are immune to that kind of tricks(c).
Changing subjest a few times won't change the facts:
1) more than half of year without updates
2) several spare butt muscles on Becca, hi didn't even try to edit her bum. That looked terrible.

AI is an instrument which requre some damn efforts to operate. Just copypasting it without editing is lazy and stupid thing.
As for NTR - I' ve never complain about it, it is not my kink, so I just avoid it. I dunno about how good or bad it is. But judgin from his overall "mastery" - I dont think there is something truly wonderful. My guess there is dumb shit with that afro drug dealer(Derek? Downey?) without any interesting "spark".
But again - it is quite common thing for that kind of game. Just like hentai manga - there is sex everywhere, but only a few dozens contain an actual story, and sometimes(very rare), the story is supergood an touching , be it waff or ntr or drama. Whch in turn, doesn't change the fact, that doing dumb shit in the story - is still dumb shit.

 

[BlaBlaCat]

I swear this Blablacat is the ai artist for this game, tries to defend his paycheck like no tommorow over ai pooped out art

I AM BATMAN.

Don't waste your sith things, my people are immune to that kind of tricks(c).
Changing subjest a few times won't change the facts:
1) more than half of year without updates
2) several spare butt muscles on Becca, hi didn't even try to edit her bum. That looked terrible.

AI is an instrument which requre some damn efforts to operate. Just copypasting it without editing is lazy and stupid thing.
As for NTR - I' ve never complain about it, it is not my kink, so I just avoid it. I dunno about how good or bad it is. But judgin from his overall "mastery" - I dont think there is something truly wonderful. My guess there is dumb shit with that afro drug dealer(Derek? Downey?) without any interesting "spark".
But again - it is quite common thing for that kind of game. Just like hentai manga - there is sex everywhere, but only a few dozens contain an actual story, and sometimes(very rare), the story is supergood an touching , be it waff or ntr or drama. Whch in turn, doesn't change the fact, that doing dumb shit in the story - is still dumb shit.

I’m just stating the facts, my immune friend.

1.It’s been over six months since the Patreon ban, and they’ve openly stated that they’re reworking the seasons for Steam now because their update strategy fell apart along with Patreon’s garbage policies. You’re aware of this, right?

2.I’ve debunked this nonsense many times before. Let’s talk about details - fingers, anuses, or whatever else love to point out. He’s fixing it and doing a pretty solid job. Meanwhile, you keep trying to find something to nitpick. I’m sure that’s only making the product better.

3.And as always, you’re hitting us with wise-sounding words that mean nothing. Yes, it’s tough, and yes, the market is evolving rapidly with every new model or even tool like Lora, and the ways it’s being applied in A1111, ComfyUI, Forge UI. Things are becoming outdated faster than ever, and it freaks everyone out in the industry. A perfect example is how prompting has changed in FLUX with the introduction of ChatGPT. Not to mention that 95% of all news about neural networks is a scam. It’s crazy.
You’d be surprised how many good artists are too set in their ways and physically can’t adapt their workflow to new tools. And yeah, for the hundredth time, I separate AI-generated prompt art from situations where an artist uses AI to enhance their process overall.

As for the plot - well, that’s a whole other topic that I definitely don’t want to get into. It’s too subjective, and I only have a shallow understanding and taste in that area. There are just a few storylines in the project that I personally enjoy, and I’m not about to throw more shade on top of that.

 

[succhiale]

I swear this Blablacat is the ai artist for this game, tries to defend his paycheck like no tommorow over ai pooped out art

And I'm the one who oversees the quality of BlaBlaCat's artwork. My peak is the art with Clara lying on the desk. That's where I showed all my strengths and abilities. Rofl

 

[garbage062]

I have the save files from my previous playthrough on another PC (Same version) but the game won't register any of the saves. What's going on? How do I get them to work?

 

[Satou Pendragon]

I have the save files from my previous playthrough on another PC (Same version) but the game won't register any of the saves. What's going on? How do I get them to work?

"Saves" are made in the Windows Registry so you can't transfer them normally. You'll just have to play it from a fresh Save.

 

[Shark_inA-chiar]

".It’s been over six months since the Patreon ban, and they’ve openly stated that they’re reworking the seasons for Steam now because their update strategy fell apart along with Patreon’s garbage policies. You’re aware of this, right?"

steam is shit for adult VN and games cause they can just deny your VN or game without saying why or for some fucked up reason and with the stuff in this VN i wouldn't be surprised if they have to change a ton of stuff

 

[WigglyWorld84]

If its going on Steam, all the incest can go back in! Bring back Family Tales!

 

[Man In Moon]

Look. I see a lot of discussions/arguments about AI art and modeling. But really, there's only one question that matters—or two if you squint and turn sideways.

Can you fuck Danny yet?

And MC Feminization when?

 

[shiroKi]

I wanna see becca get fucked so badly.

 

[Melkai]

I don't check on updates for this in a while and I come back to see they're revamping it AGAIN... this time for Steam. What a fucking joke.

You must be registered to see the links

 

[thatoneguy543w745387]

so are they still using ai for the artwork? I havent bothered to look at this game in like half a year.

EDIT: Nevermind, i answered my own question.

Im glad i stopped supporting this early on. This game taught me a valuable lesson about patreon and adult game devs.

Only support a game if they are consistent and have regular updates - like Superhuman.

Immediately stop supporting at the first sign of inconsistency