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No offense, we get that you’re trying to come across as very blunt and maintain a certain image. But deep down, you’ve got a kind heart.

Here’s the thing - you’re not actually reading what I’m writing and are getting worked up over nothing.
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One more time: On Patreon, they had 5,652 subscribers at the time of the ban.
On SubscribeStar, they currently have about 2,500 subscribers. The tiers are roughly the same.

Now, 5,652 is more than 2,500, right?
And then, factor in the 20-30% commission that SubscribeStar takes from creators, unlike Patreon. That leaves them earning about 2.5 times less than they did at the time of the ban on Patreon.

Any comments on this? Where exactly did I misunderstand you this time?

Good night.
Their Discord mod already confirmed they're doing better in SS than Patreon, so there's no need to speculate any longer.
 

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But it does contain sexual violence of nonconsensual sex, which is against Patron rules.
um, yeah, Steam owns the site,and they interpret as they see fit. Also, what drugs is Uberpie on that he thinks there is no mention of "a school" in the game? That's like half the scenes in the game.

I realize that Uber pie changed it to a "college" in 2018 to appease Patreon... But the dialogue and narrative says "school" and "teacher" and "principal" far too often but not "dean" and "instructor" /"professor" and "university"/ "college" enough

Yes, of course they can. And they are saying it will.

Everyone has their own opinion, you need to play to decide yours.

Possibly.
not weird at all. They had to review the content before they made a decision.

They are currently grossing just as much $$$ on Subscribestar, if not more, than they did on Patreon before they got booted.
Rules are clear but there's no consistency when they're applied, the guy was unlucky that the right person did not review the game.

The risk was always there though and truth be told the ones who have lost the most are his supporters
 

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No offense, we get that you’re trying to come across as very blunt and maintain a certain image. But deep down, you’ve got a kind heart.

Here’s the thing - you’re not actually reading what I’m writing and are getting worked up over nothing.
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One more time: On Patreon, they had 5,652 subscribers at the time of the ban.
On SubscribeStar, they currently have about 2,500 subscribers. The tiers are roughly the same.

Now, 5,652 is more than 2,500, right?
And then, factor in the 20-30% commission that SubscribeStar takes from creators, unlike Patreon. That leaves them earning about 2.5 times less than they did at the time of the ban on Patreon.

Any comments on this? Where exactly did I misunderstand you this time?

Good night.
Good morning. And just like Justice Brandeis once said "Sunlight is said to be the best of disinfectants."
All your numbers are wrong, except for the screenshot.
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Now, there are two ways to look at the data:

If Uberpie's average $$$ per sub per month on Patreon was similiar to the average Adult Game Developer on Patreon who publicly published their $$$ and counts.
OR
If Uberie's subscriber counts across Patreon tiers were similar to what they are across his Subscriberstar tiers.
If Uberpie Patreon Average =
Adult Game Dev Patreon Average
If Uberpie Patreon Tier Subs %=
Uberpie Subscribestar Subs %
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The first table shows I would be correct in my estimation that I have made about being as much as or more than.
The second table more supports your position (even when we take away your errors and mistatements about how Subscribestar charges developers on the adult domain).

The truth is most likely somewhere in the middle:
  • Uberpie's Patreon was about $35,000, on average, in each of his final 6 months on that site
  • Uberpie's Subscribestar is $31,363 as of today for the month of January 2025 (with six days remaining to get more subscribers to add to that for the month).
  • And their fees are quite similar.
It shows that Uberpie is not hurting.

And bully for him for making bank on both Patreon and then Subscribestar after he was kicked of Patreon. I want developers to succeed - yes, Uberpie, too. But let's not make it sound like he's eating hand to mouth as you've made it seem to bein your rebuttals.
Their Discord mod already confirmed they're doing better in SS than Patreon, so there's no need to speculate any longer.
Thank you.
Rules are clear but there's no consistency when they're applied, the guy was unlucky that the right person did not review the game.

The risk was always there though and truth be told the ones who have lost the most are his supporters
Doesn't matter if they are applied consistently - simply don't put content in your game that would violate the rules and you'll be fine. Just like how people charged for simple possession of illicit drugs aren't always consistent - but the simple fact is if you don't do illicit drugs, you aren't going to get charged. Or better yet, seeing a sign on the door of a store that says "no shirt, no shoes, no service" - people might get served while not wearing a shirt or shoes, but many won't get served. The best way to get served? Always wear shirts and shoes when entering that store.

His supporters have lost NOTHING. The Season 1 Redux is still going to be released - they are still going to get it for the subscriptions they put in, just like they would have for the Steam release. In fact, more should get it now - because originally free Steam keys were to go out to people whose total subscriptions on Subscribestar were equal to or greater than the price on Steam. However, their tiers are very explicit on Subscribestar -
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Rare Pies and above are promised in the tier benefits to get access to any game releases. And we all know Uberpie was going to charge more than $7 for the Steam price.
 
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Is there any chance them trying steam again?
Yeah, the same chance as John Candy's weight when he was in "Planes, Trains, and Automobiles"

Note the announcement: "banned on Steam... for existing in a "grey area.""

The following is NOT from Uberpie, but from someone whose game appears to have been banned for something similar - Steam's message to that developer said:
"While every product submitted is unique, if your product features this representation-even in a subtle way that could be defined as a "grey area"-it will be rejected by Steam.... This app has been banned and cannot be reused. Re-submissions of this app, even with modifications, will not be accepted."
 

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Note the announcement: "banned on Steam... for existing in a "grey area.""

The following is NOT from Uberpie, but from someone whose game appears to have been banned for something similar - Steam's message to that developer said:
"While every product submitted is unique, if your product features this representation-even in a subtle way that could be defined as a "grey area"-it will be rejected by Steam.... This app has been banned and cannot be reused. Re-submissions of this app, even with modifications, will not be accepted."
Probably wasn't a great idea to start off your initial release with it's trailer showing one of the characters getting forcibly groped. I wonder how much changed for Clara's route too, because that started out pretty unpleasantly. Jessica's(?) birth control swap was another weird idea too. I hope that was changed, I'd be more sympathetic to Uber if so. A lot of this game's initial release featured unnecessary stuff that would've been pushing the limits and the trailer didn't make it seem like it changed much on those fronts. Who knows though.
 
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If it was done and ready for Steam... that is 3 weeks of time before release.
Where is it? I had it in my wishlist.
They said the project is ready.

So drop it.


This is the second time in this cycle the fumbled

Truth is Uber, will probably drop the project and crowdfund until everyone is dead
 

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Good morning. And just like Justice Brandeis once said "Sunlight is said to be the best of disinfectants."
All your numbers are wrong, except for the screenshot.
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Now, there are two ways to look at the data:

If Uberpie's average $$$ per sub per month on Patreon was similiar to the average Adult Game Developer on Patreon who publicly published their $$$ and counts.
OR
If Uberie's subscriber counts across Patreon tiers were similar to what they are across his Subscriberstar tiers.
If Uberpie Patreon Average =
Adult Game Dev Patreon Average
If Uberpie Patreon Tier Subs %=
Uberpie Subscribestar Subs %

The first table shows I would be correct in my estimation that I have made about being as much as or more than.
The second table more supports your position (even when we take away your errors and mistatements about how Subscribestar charges developers on the adult domain).

The truth is most likely somewhere in the middle:
  • Uberpie's Patreon was about $35,000, on average, in each of his final 6 months on that site
  • Uberpie's Subscribestar is $31,363 as of today for the month of January 2025 (with six days remaining to get more subscribers to add to that for the month).
  • And their fees are quite similar.
It shows that Uberpie is not hurting.

And bully for him for making bank on both Patreon and then Subscribestar after he was kicked of Patreon. I want developers to succeed - yes, Uberpie, too. But let's not make it sound like he's eating hand to mouth as you've made it seem to bein your rebuttals.

Thank you.

Doesn't matter if they are applied consistently - simply don't put content in your game that would violate the rules and you'll be fine. Just like how people charged for simple possession of illicit drugs aren't always consistent - but the simple fact is if you don't do illicit drugs, you aren't going to get charged. Or better yet, seeing a sign on the door of a store that says "no shirt, no shoes, no service" - people might get served while not wearing a shirt or shoes, but many won't get served. The best way to get served? Always wear shirts and shoes when entering that store.

His supporters have lost NOTHING. The Season 1 Redux is still going to be released - they are still going to get it for the subscriptions they put in, just like they would have for the Steam release. In fact, more should get it now - because originally free Steam keys were to go out to people whose total subscriptions on Subscribestar were equal to or greater than the price on Steam. However, their tiers are very explicit on Subscribestar -
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Rare Pies and above are promised in the tier benefits to get access to any game releases. And we all know Uberpie was going to charge more than $7 for the Steam price.
I agree Uber should just read the rules and stop pushing his luck (luck he does not have btw)

I think they have lost ( and in general I think the steam release was always bad deal for a supporter ) for this:

1. It was a year where the next season was put on hold to work on the steam release
2. They got to play something that they've already played before, the game would be a curate version but I doubt there would be a significant % of difference between what was before and now (except the removal of content to please steam).
3. This was a huge failure, whether the subs are gonna get a game they wouldn't have is not important, the main objective was having the game in the steam store not having a game that's built for steam but did not get release on steam
 
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Truth is Uber, will probably drop the project and crowdfund until everyone is dead
He's not going to kill the goose that lays the golden egg. Crowdfunding without a product doesn't keep the goose alive.
I agree Uber should just read the rules and stop pushing his luck (luck he does not have btw)

I think they have lost ( and in general I think the steam release was always bad deal for a supporter ) for this:

1. It was a year where the next season was put on hold to work on the steam release
2. They got to play something that they've already played before, the game would be a curate version but I doubt there would be a significant % of difference between what was before and now (except the removal of content to please steam).
3. This was a huge failure, whether the subs are gonna get a game they wouldn't have is not important, the main objective was having the game in the steam store not having a game that's built for steam but did not get release on steam
I agree with you about Uber and luck.
  1. The Steam release plan was made public before Uber decided to make a Subscribestar (In the past he didn't want to ever create a Subscribestar and even wondered if he should while working on the Steam release...)
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    Uberpie was seriously considering to go without income while developing the Steam release because he thought Subscribstar wouldn't bring enough in (and now it's actually beating his Patreon $$, per what you say the discord mod disclosed).
  2. I don't deny this - but again, it wasn't as if this was a secret. And the plan since 2023 was to do just this - break down Seasons 1-5 into single season standalones. So, like I mentioned previously, Patreon's boot only accelerated the stated plan and possibly actually got it to see reality. I mean, the game is filled with Uber ideas that he dropped in and then dropped developing. The multiple protagonists from v0.22. The netorare route that was intended since day one, finally started in Season 5 (and brought him the highest $$$ and sub count in one month) and then didn't follow up, etc etc etc. This actually got him to follow through on a commitment.
  3. I can see this point.
I still don't see these as losses because, except for #3, this was all known ahead of time - before the Subscribestar was made. So they went in with the ability to know what they were getting into - it wasn't foisted upon them afterward.
 
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He's not going to kill the goose that lays the golden egg. Crowdfunding without a product doesn't keep the goose alive.

I agree with you about Uber and luck.
  1. The Steam release plan was made public before Uber decided to make a Subscribestar (In the past he didn't want to ever create a Subscribestar and even wondered if he should while working on the Steam release...)
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    Uberpie was seriously considering to go without income while developing the Steam release because he thought Subscribstar wouldn't bring enough in (and now it's actually beating his Patreon $$, per what you say the discord mod disclosed).
  2. I don't deny this - but again, it wasn't as if this was a secret. And the plan since 2023 was to do just this - break down Seasons 1-5 into single season standalones. So, like I mentioned previously, Patreon's boot only accelerated the stated plan and possibly actually got it to see reality. I mean, the game is filled with Uber ideas that he dropped in and then dropped developing. The multiple protagonists from v0.22. The netorare route that was intended since day one, finally started in Season 5 (and brought him the highest $$$ and sub count in one month) and then didn't follow up, etc etc etc. This actually got him to follow through on a commitment.
  3. I can see this point.
I still don't see these as losses because, except for #3, this was all known ahead of time - before the Subscribestar was made. So they went in with the ability to know what they were getting into - it wasn't foisted upon them afterward.
The # 1 and #2 were my opinion about what it was a bad deal for a supporter, the #3 one is the problematic one

On a time of a lot of uncertanty with the project Uber pretty much implied it was do or die with the steam release, his supporters took a leap of faith when this deal was not good at all for them, and the result is this, their SS has gotten better than their patreon, what would happened, if that was not the case?

What's more cuestionable about uber is his decision making and planning ahead, it's even difficult to state how much of a screw up this stuff was, blaming steam does not cut it.
 

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You haven't read the news have you.
Never heard of that game, so I didn't. That game seems to have some debate over it's characters, specifically with one looking like a "toddler"? KaguraGames already has some games that walk a fine line when it comes to character age/look, I highly doubt they'd want to go THAT far in said direction. Just like with Steam and what you've said before, the publisher makes the decisions of what to publish and they didn't feel comfortable with said game. For the most part, Kagura doesn't seem to be against school uniforms or even younger looking characters (as long as they don't look THAT young).
 
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I agree Uber should just read the rules and stop pushing his luck (luck he does not have btw)



What do you think about the characters' ages and their appearance? What about the level of violence, and so on? How do you feel about the characters' consent when it comes to sex?
Let me say it again - there are no rules and there never have been. Steam doesn’t question these projects. It’s convenient for us to ignore this fact so we can feel more comfortable, but Steam does whatever it wants.
Don’t trust the bitter idiots who try to twist reality and explain why it’s fine for these projects but not for someone like Uber. Check for yourself.

Good morning. And just like Justice Brandeis once said "Sunlight is said to be the best of disinfectants."
All your numbers are wrong, except for the screenshot.
You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.
Now, there are two ways to look at the data:

If Uberpie's average $$$ per sub per month on Patreon was similiar to the average Adult Game Developer on Patreon who publicly published their $$$ and counts.
OR
If Uberie's subscriber counts across Patreon tiers were similar to what they are across his Subscriberstar tiers.
If Uberpie Patreon Average =
Adult Game Dev Patreon Average
If Uberpie Patreon Tier Subs %=
Uberpie Subscribestar Subs %

The first table shows I would be correct in my estimation that I have made about being as much as or more than.
The second table more supports your position (even when we take away your errors and mistatements about how Subscribestar charges developers on the adult domain).

The truth is most likely somewhere in the middle:
  • Uberpie's Patreon was about $35,000, on average, in each of his final 6 months on that site
  • Uberpie's Subscribestar is $31,363 as of today for the month of January 2025 (with six days remaining to get more subscribers to add to that for the month).
  • And their fees are quite similar.
It shows that Uberpie is not hurting.

And bully for him for making bank on both Patreon and then Subscribestar after he was kicked of Patreon. I want developers to succeed - yes, Uberpie, too. But let's not make it sound like he's eating hand to mouth as you've made it seem to bein your rebuttals.

Thank you.

Doesn't matter if they are applied consistently - simply don't put content in your game that would violate the rules and you'll be fine. Just like how people charged for simple possession of illicit drugs aren't always consistent - but the simple fact is if you don't do illicit drugs, you aren't going to get charged. Or better yet, seeing a sign on the door of a store that says "no shirt, no shoes, no service" - people might get served while not wearing a shirt or shoes, but many won't get served. The best way to get served? Always wear shirts and shoes when entering that store.

His supporters have lost NOTHING. The Season 1 Redux is still going to be released - they are still going to get it for the subscriptions they put in, just like they would have for the Steam release. In fact, more should get it now - because originally free Steam keys were to go out to people whose total subscriptions on Subscribestar were equal to or greater than the price on Steam. However, their tiers are very explicit on Subscribestar -
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Rare Pies and above are promised in the tier benefits to get access to any game releases. And we all know Uberpie was going to charge more than $7 for the Steam price.

Oh, and instead of believing Graphtreon or subscriber counts... this same moderator once said Uber lost a build and had to start over from scratch. Later, he apologized for that. He’s a good guy, but he gets a little creative. You’re ignoring my entire argument about subscriber numbers being more than double and all that.

Fine, let’s bet your honor on this -you will write to Subscribestar and ask if they take their commission from subscribers or from the donations to the user. I can even write Uber if you want, but you still won’t believe me, will you?

So, if a user donates $10, how much gets taken in fees, and how much actually goes to the developer? You’re wasting a lot of your precious time, which I’m trying to save for you.

So, do we have a bet based on your honor? If I’m wrong, I’ll also publicly apologize here for slandering and whatever else.

Once again, loud and clear - my position: Uber is currently making around near $17-19K per month. And then commissions, taxes, and so on get deducted from that. When a user donates $10 to Uber, somewhere between 10–30% gets taken off as fees, including something like VAT.

Deal?

P.S.I still think you’re a good guy doing a lot of great work. I just don’t understand why you’re blowing this up. But honestly, how else can we settle this once and for all?

Update: SS does not allow to screenshot your conversations in any form. But you can still ask them yourself.
 
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Does anyone know why the game was removed from Steam just a few days before its official release?
Steam didn’t like how young the characters look and how much it all still resembles a school.
(Yeah, there’s no classroom or school uniforms anymore, but Steam doesn’t care.)

I take it the game is over? And it was such a good game
Let’s hope Uber doesn’t go off on a bender. Plus, he promised to release the game itself to subscribers without Steam in the very near future.
i m angery!
Same here, bro. Same here.
 
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Steam didn’t like how young the characters look and how much it all still resembles a school.
(Yeah, there’s no classroom or school uniforms anymore, but Steam doesn’t care.)


Let’s hope Uber doesn’t go off on a bender. Plus, he promised to release the game itself to subscribers without Steam in the very near future.

Same here, bro. Same here.
Some followers of my curator team were eagerly anticipating this game, so they'll be quite disappointed to hear this unfortunate news. Thank you so much for taking the time to reply—I truly appreciate it!
 
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Yeah, steam is weird. Pretty sure have ero games with much younger main characters and more violent themes.

I always had a feeling that when you have a female protag, and make however slim chances of not getting raped and tortured and drugged, censure is ok with it.
 
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