Java Tales of Androgyny [v0.3.49.3] [Majalis]

[Turkishlads]

Are we just going to ignore the fact that you can stack Strength in the latest update to ridiculous levels (2k+) just by spamming Incantation>Titan Strength or by Berserk>Enrage??? One shots anything, and even Demon King just needs 2 hits.

 

[Flam3r]

Damn, I just asked if the combat meta was the same, didn't think it would devolve into a full discussion about the complexity and depth of the combat system lmao

 

[Majalis (ToA)]

I had a different experience with exploring in dark souls, but I understand your overall point.

Do you have some ability to poll your backers? I am sure if you would do a survey on what type of skills and stances they use, you would get the result that many of them arent being used because they are redundant or straight up bad. I think skills like center, head/wrist/foot shot, berserk, haymaker, magic except heal, seduce, stonewall, feint, the archery system are only being used by a few players, if any. I am very confident the data would support my theory. Now, how you hadle that info, is up to you.
-Rebalance the skills to give them all a meaningful niche
-Add tons of cool interactions with girls to each skill, making using them fun and sexy despite not being meta
-Remove the unused and (mostly, stop splitting hairs ^^) redundant skills and focus on cool interaction and balancing for the remainder

I respect the ambition, and sincerely hope that I am wrong and it comes all together at the end and works no matter what you pick. But I think it is very true that there are many ambitious half baked ideas in the game that will take many years to be completed if not adjusted, that is if they get completed at all.


I usually put skill points into Armor Crusher and Tempo Attack and go AC until armor is gone, then Tempo attack, guard when balance is low. If your fast attack bleeds an enemy, you can grapple her until she bleeds out.
Another strat is going high strength/agi and skilling blitz stance->assault to just deal consistent massive damage.
You can also add Overrun and use it when the enemy is at low balance, then use crushing blow while he is down for massive extra damage.

I think you are being very harsh. I don't like the direction the devs are going with the combat, but it has some cool ideas and is very unique.
I think the grapple system and unique skill interactions (maybe include mid-combat scenes?) have great potential to finally combine the combat aspect with the erotic aspects of the game. But I agree that removing many of the redundant skills and focusing on the ones that matter would be the smartest course of action.

Man, all of those were improved in the update. The problem is not that there are too many skills - the problem is that some skills are undertuned! It is not hair-splitting to point out that the skills operate in fundamentally different ways from a strategic standpoint. That's why I released a big balance patch! Some might need more improvements, but little numerical improvements or even bonus attributes are really not hard or involved for me to do.

As for Armor Crusher and Tempo Attack, this is the third time I am saying this: if you read the patch notes, you would see that strategy has received an enormous nerf. All physical damage has with the addition of enemy armor and reduction to armor sunder and knockdown. I'm worried about touching it anymore, in fact, because once the AI is actually trying to win, they will - and then if a strategy is too dominant, we'll know what it is. Oh, and I already fixed the cap on stacking status effects.

 

[Twiton]

Damn, I just asked if the combat meta was the same, didn't think it would devolve into a full discussion about the complexity and depth of the combat system lmao

Majalis replying here does activate everyone's desire to give their input, lots of folks here really care about the game or want to be heard regarding their feedback.

Kinda wish we had an AMA with them.

 

[Twiton]

Genuinely insightful output about the AI implementation being improved to work around previously OP tactics.

But is Herobrin- I mean, is Helena fixed again? Still find it funny that she wrestles Hiro to the ground just to punch him in the face.

 

[qwsaq]

The problem is not that there are too many skills - the problem is that some skills are undertuned!

I think the main problem is that it's too much information too early.
Imagine it's your first time creating a character in this game: you choose your class, you apply your stats, all standard fare. But then suddenly there's all these skills dumped on you. You barely have a vague concept of what any of them do. You don't even know how the combat works yet. It being your first time, you're probably aiming for as generic a build as possible to see how the game's supposed to be played. But there's no indication of what "generic" is in this case. It's too easy to get lost. There's good reason nearly every other game doesn't do it this way.

I'm not saying you should go fully in the opposite direction and hold our hands with hyper-restrictive tech trees. But a little nudge in the right direction would do wonders in ending this tired discussion.

 

[Turkishlads]

Man, all of those were improved in the update. The problem is not that there are too many skills - the problem is that some skills are undertuned! It is not hair-splitting to point out that the skills operate in fundamentally different ways from a strategic standpoint. That's why I released a big balance patch! Some might need more improvements, but little numerical improvements or even bonus attributes are really not hard or involved for me to do.

As for Armor Crusher and Tempo Attack, this is the third time I am saying this: if you read the patch notes, you would see that strategy has received an enormous nerf. All physical damage has with the addition of enemy armor and reduction to armor sunder and knockdown. I'm worried about touching it anymore, in fact, because once the AI is actually trying to win, they will - and then if a strategy is too dominant, we'll know what it is. Oh, and I already fixed the cap on stacking status effects.

I'm glad to see stuff fixed!
And I'm also having an issue when entering the Giving Handy stance, where it automatically takes your mouth-virginity from only cranking, which is illogical.

 

[Majalis (ToA)]

I think the main problem is that it's too much information too early.
Imagine it's your first time creating a character in this game: you choose your class, you apply your stats, all standard fare. But then suddenly there's all these skills dumped on you. You barely have a vague concept of what any of them do. You don't even know how the combat works yet. It being your first time, you're probably aiming for as generic a build as possible to see how the game's supposed to be played. But there's no indication of what "generic" is in this case. It's too easy to get lost. There's good reason nearly every other game doesn't do it this way.

I'm not saying you should go fully in the opposite direction and hold our hands with hyper-restrictive tech trees. But a little nudge in the right direction would do wonders in ending this tired discussion.

Plenty of games give you a ton of up-front character choices - Baldur's Gate 3 is one in very recent memory. With ToA, it's also... entirely optional. Not only do you not need to allocate your skills/perks to start, you don't really have many points to work with, and it's unlikely to be super make or break in the early game. By virtue of not having any of the advanced combat stances (aside from Blitz for Warrior, which as a class is easy to start out as comparatively) you can just get used to the rhythm of combat. I admit it's a lot to take in, both the large skill list (splitting out the sex stances helped with this information overload, a bit - I might make it so that by default it hides the skills you automatically know in a stance, and give you a button to display them) and once you enter combat and there's a lot to immediately try and decipher, but you can always just try some stuff and experiment, especially if you're not on ironman mode. You don't need a hyper-optimized build - hell, you could start with cheat mode on if you really want bumpers.

I'm glad to see stuff fixed!
And I'm also having an issue when entering the Giving Handy stance, where it automatically takes your mouth-virginity from only cranking, which is illogical.

Ah, thanks, just spotted the source of that and fixed it.

 

[Tighter]

Depending on how high your magic level is + how many spells you have mastered there should be a percentage that allows you to go into a deeper incantation and still let you cast in the same turn. At a certain mastery level it should be 100%.

"Instead of casting the weakest shock spell for 15 damage I will go into incantation to cast a moderately strong spell. Because my magic mastery is so high I have a 100% chance of being able to act again. The mana cost is higher but so be it. I can cast a strong spell or go into a deeper incantation, but I only have an 80% chance to act again if I go deeper because my mastery isn't that high yet."

 

[Twiton]

Ah, thanks, just spotted the source of that and fixed it.

Speaking of virginity, was topping Brigand in Story Mode ever fixed so that it actually takes your topping virginity? I remember that being an oversight.

 

[PhazeUFO]

Why is the only necromancer/warlock class a dumb gyaru one?

Necro you say?

Plenty of games give you a ton of up-front character choices - Baldur's Gate 3 is one in very recent memory. With ToA, it's also... entirely optional. Not only do you not need to allocate your skills/perks to start, you don't really have many points to work with, and it's unlikely to be super make or break in the early game. By virtue of not having any of the advanced combat stances (aside from Blitz for Warrior, which as a class is easy to start out as comparatively) you can just get used to the rhythm of combat. I admit it's a lot to take in, both the large skill list (splitting out the sex stances helped with this information overload, a bit - I might make it so that by default it hides the skills you automatically know in a stance, and give you a button to display them) and once you enter combat and there's a lot to immediately try and decipher, but you can always just try some stuff and experiment, especially if you're not on ironman mode. You don't need a hyper-optimized build - hell, you could start with cheat mode on if you really want bumpers.

The thing with those DnD games is that they are usually casualized versions of the PnP game, and even then they confuse new gamers. So much so that they have special modes for them, in fact I think some have an easy mode where you can't die. They also had large manuals because of all of the info and terms. The one thing about those stances you mentioned is that I don't think most people would ever know any of it unless they experimented, which they don't seem to be doing. One thing I think could help would be perhaps having this in the skill select screen whenever you click between stances. I know it gives the little explanation when you hover over the stance, but when you switch between the stances it will instead display a movie instead. Perhaps make it part of a beginner tool-tip that you can turn off so new players can get an idea of the possible strategies when thinking about a character.

Also, are you planning on changing the names of the different tabs in both the magic and perks screen like you have in the skills and sex screen? Perks currently has nothing, but magic only has magic for them all.

 

[grahegri]

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[zero1234]

Plenty of games give you a ton of up-front character choices - Baldur's Gate 3 is one in very recent memory. With ToA, it's also... entirely optional. Not only do you not need to allocate your skills/perks to start, you don't really have many points to work with, and it's unlikely to be super make or break in the early game. By virtue of not having any of the advanced combat stances (aside from Blitz for Warrior, which as a class is easy to start out as comparatively) you can just get used to the rhythm of combat. I admit it's a lot to take in, both the large skill list (splitting out the sex stances helped with this information overload, a bit - I might make it so that by default it hides the skills you automatically know in a stance, and give you a button to display them) and once you enter combat and there's a lot to immediately try and decipher, but you can always just try some stuff and experiment, especially if you're not on ironman mode. You don't need a hyper-optimized build - hell, you could start with cheat mode on if you really want bumpers.


Ah, thanks, just spotted the source of that and fixed it.

While your about i wanted to ask what exactly causes the red perks specially anal addict? it feels like i get a rank of that everytime i get fucked in combat i feel like it was slower to show up in the past.

 

[Sintonir]

Not only do you not need to allocate your skills/perks to start, you don't really have many points to work with, and it's unlikely to be super make or break in the early game. By virtue of not having any of the advanced combat stances (aside from Blitz for Warrior, which as a class is easy to start out as comparatively) you can just get used to the rhythm of combat. I admit it's a lot to take in, both the large skill list (splitting out the sex stances helped with this information overload, a bit - I might make it so that by default it hides the skills you automatically know in a stance, and give you a button to display them) and once you enter combat and there's a lot to immediately try and decipher, but you can always just try some stuff and experiment, especially if you're not on ironman mode.

I agree with you completely, with one exception: sex "stances". I'll admit I do not use sex in combat, and mostly try to win in combat through violence and get sex through events, but that might be partially because sex "stances" are so numerous I can't even decide which skills I want to consider. And since all of them are dumped on the player right at the beginning, when they first distribute their starting skill points, it is a bit overwhelming and may paint a picture of combat sex being much more important than fighting. Sure, main fighting stances are much more detailed, but there's just so many sex "stances"...
But I actually like how meta changes from version to version, removing obviously game-breaking tactics. For example, I still try to focus on Agility and skills which use it (because it increases both offense and defense with the right build), and it makes most fights quite easy for me(I don't have the latest version though, it may change), but compared to times when Feint Strike just did +1 damage for each agility point over enemy it is way better.
Now, question to people around: does anyone else try to do achievements for level 1 and complete virgin against the last boss at the same time? I mostly do it with a speedy build, does anyone else use another tactic? Can anyone suggest a build which will work without using bonus points? I have a problem of falling into a tunnel vision whenever I see a successful tactic, and my main tactic is still successful, but I want to think about other options.

 

[Majalis (ToA)]

While your about i wanted to ask what exactly causes the red perks specially anal addict? it feels like i get a rank of that everytime i get fucked in combat i feel like it was slower to show up in the past.

Possibly you're a Warrior this time? As a Warrior (which has Weak to Anal) you get anally addicted after getting fucked in the ass 1, 3, and 5 times, respectively - it's more for those without that perk.

I agree with you completely, with one exception: sex "stances". I'll admit I do not use sex in combat, and mostly try to win in combat through violence and get sex through events, but that might be partially because sex "stances" are so numerous I can't even decide which skills I want to consider. And since all of them are dumped on the player right at the beginning, when they first distribute their starting skill points, it is a bit overwhelming and may paint a picture of combat sex being much more important than fighting. Sure, main fighting stances are much more detailed, but there's just so many sex "stances"...
But I actually like how meta changes from version to version, removing obviously game-breaking tactics. For example, I still try to focus on Agility and skills which use it (because it increases both offense and defense with the right build), and it makes most fights quite easy for me(I don't have the latest version though, it may change), but compared to times when Feint Strike just did +1 damage for each agility point over enemy it is way better.
Now, question to people around: does anyone else try to do achievements for level 1 and complete virgin against the last boss at the same time? I mostly do it with a speedy build, does anyone else use another tactic? Can anyone suggest a build which will work without using bonus points? I have a problem of falling into a tunnel vision whenever I see a successful tactic, and my main tactic is still successful, but I want to think about other options.

That's part of why we broke out the Sex stances into a separate tab - and we'll probably make it upgrade with a different skill-point type as well, if we don't make sex learning specifically tied to sexual experience altogether. Positions moreso come down to preference, though if you do have a combat strategy that involves sex (which will be improved), knowing which positions you intend to get the enemy into could help guide those choices.

 

[qwsaq]

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I actually have a few questions of my own regarding chastity:

• Is there any difference between the cages (apart from the one you can buy off the witch of course) or is that purely aesthetic?
• Does the "size" enchantment do anything? I can't even tell if it's supposed to mean it's getting bigger or smaller.
• Does the "permanent" enchantment have a purpose? Like is there some way it can be applied outside of enchanting it yourself?
• Buying a chastity cage places it directly in the equipment slot. Is this intended behavior? It causes an issue where buying a new chastity cage while already wearing one does not put it in your inventory. The cage you intended to buy just poofs out of existence entirely and your money was spent for nothing.

 

[prisoner416]

Possibly you're a Warrior this time? As a Warrior (which has Weak to Anal) you get anally addicted after getting fucked in the ass 1, 3, and 5 times, respectively - it's more for those without that perk.


That's part of why we broke out the Sex stances into a separate tab - and we'll probably make it upgrade with a different skill-point type as well, if we don't make sex learning specifically tied to sexual experience altogether. Positions moreso come down to preference, though if you do have a combat strategy that involves sex (which will be improved), knowing which positions you intend to get the enemy into could help guide those choices.

Any chance of getting a scene replay gallery that replays text/sex? The cg poser just isn't enough.

 

[Holylow]

Is there pronounces for MC she\her yet?

 

[Twiton]

Any chance of getting a scene replay gallery that replays text/sex? The cg poser just isn't enough.

You can access the Text Script in the JAR file, last I checked it's in an easy to find folder

 

[negroidprime]

I actually have a few questions of my own regarding chastity:

• Is there any difference between the cages (apart from the one you can buy off the witch of course) or is that purely aesthetic?
• Does the "size" enchantment do anything? I can't even tell if it's supposed to mean it's getting bigger or smaller.
• Does the "permanent" enchantment have a purpose? Like is there some way it can be applied outside of enchanting it yourself?
• Buying a chastity cage places it directly in the equipment slot. Is this intended behavior? It causes an issue where buying a new chastity cage while already wearing one does not put it in your inventory. The cage you intended to buy just poofs out of existence entirely and your money was spent for nothing.

I'm not the dev but i'm giving my 2 cents here.
1st: Cage of Power (turquoise-green colored) increases magic by 1, i seem to recall a time where every cage did that, not anymore, others are just purely aesthetic AFAIK.
2nd: Not 100% sure but probably affects some lines in encounters, someone with more knowledge can correct me.
3rd: Currently you can only enchant it yourself, there's the "permanent chastity" scene with "demon king" but it's a bad end and actually doesn't enchant it. If you enchant your cage, you cannot open it even if you have the key in your inventory, only way to remove it by that point is to edit your savefile.
4th: Might be an oversight, dunno.