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Twiton

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OK, did a full mage run, and I will say... it really should should start with the basic three damage spells known, while still keeping the +3 magic stones. Also, the thief should start with Steal skill learned, which is weird to me that it doesn't start with it since it was added. Also, Paladin with Smite and Reforge learned, for good measure.
The Mage Class starting with spells does sound good tbh! Helps them lean into their role without having to fall back on melee too much early on. And yeah, or having the option for thiefs to learn the skill for free from Brigand!
 

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The Mage Class starting with spells does sound good tbh! Helps them lean into their role without having to fall back on melee too much early on.
Yeah. I mean, you either are forced to spend those on basic spells that grow slower than learning skills, or... use 5 stones on the dagger (or rapier) to add magic scaling with element to it, and then push on agility, which would still be leaning hard on melee as a mage for a good chunk of the early game. Would also be neat if there was a weapon enchant that adds a sort of conversion to the inactive mana pool per damage dealt (with partial Magic scaling), so that you could be less slow on mana gathering between matches, and still gain some more spellcasting usage on longer fights (because, yeah, spellcasting fights are still slow as heck to finish, but the new defensive options do help mitigate the squishiness of mages, provided you are proactive on defense and chanting). Plus, Inflict Wounds is probably very important for when you have yet to gain sharp weapons. It's a cheap source of it until you gain that enchant on your favorite bladed weapon. Combine with the other usual CC options, and you can end fights through simple attrition.

As for the Brigand example, I'd say that the Brigand could start teaching you better forms of stealing if you learned the basic skill yourself, and were successful at stealing with with in a fight with her or some other event that made use of it as a requirement. Any class can learn to steal as is, so... Let's say that Steal tier 2/3 are from new events with her. These could help with the new value and weight checks, while also help with store thievery checks.
 
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Although, since I never use a bow I can't remember exactly how to get it from her.
Exactly! Ranger class is useless for the most part. The game lacks key trading points: ranger should have almost maxed out at the start surveyor skill to avoid / engage in combat at will if the arrow generation won't change. Also, ranger should be a good forager.

And honestly, foraging and food consumption is the biggest pain in the ass for me. The rate of 4 points per move is unreasonable. By the 3rd map the shortage becomes crazy so I have to hit Inn a lot to make sure I have enough supplies.

Those shortcoming are perhaps due to the fact, that the developer stopped playing their game end to end a while ago.
 

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And honestly, foraging and food consumption is the biggest pain in the ass for me. The rate of 4 points per move is unreasonable. By the 3rd map the shortage becomes crazy so I have to hit Inn a lot to make sure I have enough supplies.
I almost always play as an Orcblood(+1 food consumption) and try to gather as many party members as possible(+1 food consumption each) and never met a food shortage issue with any decent preparation. But yes, decent preparation means "stay in the inn for something like 10 days"
Though, I feel that food sources may need to be tweaked a bit: it makes no real sense that inns give food (sure, they can feed character, but why would they give food to take with them?), but amount of food you can get from shops is much more limited. It should be the reverse: you should be able get as much food as you want from shop, but inn only stops you from eating through your supplies and replenishes only up to certain point (since it seems food system also takes into account hunger).
 
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negroidprime

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If you're not going for the purity achievement runs, just have a protein shake from your friendly neighbourhood centauress, win the fight against her and just go whole-hog on that salami, easy food every time.
 
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Exactly! Ranger class is useless for the most part. The game lacks key trading points: ranger should have almost maxed out at the start surveyor skill to avoid / engage in combat at will if the arrow generation won't change. Also, ranger should be a good forager.

And honestly, foraging and food consumption is the biggest pain in the ass for me. The rate of 4 points per move is unreasonable. By the 3rd map the shortage becomes crazy so I have to hit Inn a lot to make sure I have enough supplies.

Those shortcoming are perhaps due to the fact, that the developer stopped playing their game end to end a while ago.
yeah i've always run out of food even tho i have foraging at max level
 

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But yes, decent preparation means "stay in the inn for something like 10 days"
So where's fun in that type of activity.
Also, the options to gain enough gold to buy the best armor are limited. So either the hero starves in the best armor imaginable or goes out in the wild but with stockpile of food. I don't understand that.
 

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So where's fun in that type of activity.
Also, the options to gain enough gold to buy the best armor are limited. So either the hero starves in the best armor imaginable or goes out in the wild but with stockpile of food. I don't understand that.
believe the cities should be resupplied in food every 1 or 2 days
 

negroidprime

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Easiest ways to get food that i've discovered:
Centaur encounter: Beat her in a fight and then give her a blowie, easy 100 food.
Sleeping Ettin: Wake neither, stay silent, wait, eat it anyway, easy 180 food.
Goblin Horde: Get discovered or go to the forest, offer them sucky sucky yum yum, easy 80 food.
Dryad: Self explanatory, 20 food if charisma = 8 (or if you polish her knob, it's also -5 health), 30 if 9.
Harpy Swarmer: Easy 20 food, easy fight.
Then there are the "Milk?" carriages in the 3rd and 4th map, they'll also net you a good amount of food.
Most of these are not suited for the pure runs however, although that sleeping ettin one doesn't require losing virginities, but they're completely free, well in monetary sense atleast.
 
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Sintonir

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So where's fun in that type of activity.
Well, it is just a preparation. You can make it a bit more fun by taking some of your party members with you.

Also, the options to gain enough gold to buy the best armor are limited. So either the hero starves in the best armor imaginable or goes out in the wild but with stockpile of food. I don't understand that.
The game actually gives a lot of opportunities to get some money and getting a lot of stuff for free. For example, arena in the monster city gives quite a lot of gold and is repeatable. Caches also give some gold - I think it is up to 20 per money cache, and you can sell hunger charm from artifact caches for 25.
And frankly, I normally just steal the most expensive things.
 

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Well, it is just a preparation. You can make it a bit more fun by taking some of your party members with you.


The game actually gives a lot of opportunities to get some money and getting a lot of stuff for free. For example, arena in the monster city gives quite a lot of gold and is repeatable. Caches also give some gold - I think it is up to 20 per money cache, and you can sell hunger charm from artifact caches for 25.
And frankly, I normally just steal the most expensive things.
You can get the gloves of strength from the valley of giantess with food.
You can get stamina charm, money and food by completing the snake goddess (Quetzal) quest.
You get few spell scrolls (that have more worth as money imo) by beating Warlock in the town of Monsters.
You can get a masterwork gladius that has 2 upgrades for free by beating the spider encounter.

Those are the ones that i can remember off the top of my head.
 
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Twiton

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There should be a 'forage' option in camp like rest that lets you hunt food (with the chance of encountering an enemy, lowered by forager skill). Also food in town should be more common/restock more often.
Risking fights to get more food is a good trade off.
 

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There should be a 'forage' option in camp like rest that lets you hunt food (with the chance of encountering an enemy, lowered by forager skill). Also food in town should be more common/restock more often.
Agreeing with this one. Manual foraging on camp points would be great, especially if it adds different events per area or biome, like sleeping does for other conditions.
 

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I still stand by my belief that Dark Knight is the shortest of all the Demon King's forces
 

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There should be a 'forage' option in camp like rest that lets you hunt food (with the chance of encountering an enemy, lowered by forager skill). Also food in town should be more common/restock more often.
I swear it feels like there used to be an option to forage in the camp like years ago unless I'm mistaken
 

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Exactly! Ranger class is useless for the most part. The game lacks key trading points: ranger should have almost maxed out at the start surveyor skill to avoid / engage in combat at will if the arrow generation won't change. Also, ranger should be a good forager.

And honestly, foraging and food consumption is the biggest pain in the ass for me. The rate of 4 points per move is unreasonable. By the 3rd map the shortage becomes crazy so I have to hit Inn a lot to make sure I have enough supplies.

Those shortcoming are perhaps due to the fact, that the developer stopped playing their game end to end a while ago.
Unless you are going for a pure route, just keep sucking off the centaur for a few hundred each time. That or farm gold and keep staying at the inn. I do agree that it is handled poorly as it makes having companions less of a good choice since they add to the amount drained (unless they changed that and I didn't notice). As far as I know they don't help with foraging too much either, but the constant titan strength is pretty fun.

Is the bow even that strong? Centaur can do some nice damage with hers, but I wonder if Hiro is using some good arrows.
So where's fun in that type of activity.
Also, the options to gain enough gold to buy the best armor are limited. So either the hero starves in the best armor imaginable or goes out in the wild but with stockpile of food. I don't understand that.
You do know that thievery is always an option?
Well, it is just a preparation. You can make it a bit more fun by taking some of your party members with you.


The game actually gives a lot of opportunities to get some money and getting a lot of stuff for free. For example, arena in the monster city gives quite a lot of gold and is repeatable. Caches also give some gold - I think it is up to 20 per money cache, and you can sell hunger charm from artifact caches for 25.
And frankly, I normally just steal the most expensive things.
Arena isn't that good for gold unless you know the combat, which isn't always the case for players. Also, isn't it once per day? It would make staying at the end much more enjoyable when you are smacking futa up in between. The hunger charm requires you to survey to level 5 I think? Or is that just for the mimic?
You can get the gloves of strength from the valley of giantess with food.
You can get stamina charm, money and food by completing the snake goddess (Quetzal) quest.
You get few spell scrolls (that have more worth as money imo) by beating Warlock in the town of Monsters.
You can get a masterwork gladius that has 2 upgrades for free by beating the spider encounter.

Those are the ones that i can remember off the top of my head.
To me fair, those first two are pretty poor ways to get those items. The gladius is a good one to pick up though. Much better targets to burgle.
Shortest in what sense :sneaky: ?

Cause maybe we can help with that :sneaky:
He's saying she's not much of a shower. :PogChamp:
 
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