Java Tales of Androgyny [v0.3.51.3] [Majalis]

[Twiton]

For what it's worth Twiton, i'm sorry
It's just that this game is maybe the only one i know of that is still fully what the devs wanted (and it's a good game) and i can't stand having the game being derailed because people don't like what the game is because of something stupid like what gender the character thinks he is.
I've seen to many games/movies/projects go to shit because of things like that.

This is a never-ending hole, if you start, people will feel entitled to their vision and it never ends
You start at pronouns, people will get mad that their pronouns is not in the game and it's not good for "representation", so you add more, more people will complain that they're not represented, then you're doing genders and genitals, because you have to represent everyone, and still people will be mad that they're not represented like they want to be represented, and then you change the content, because people don't like the characters or what they could do to them or how bad it could represent their whatever
and then the game is dead, never the same, never what it was supposed to be.

So, again, I'm sorry if i was aggresive or anything like that, making you feel bad wasn't what i was trying to so.

The feeling is shared, trust me, I've had similar worries about different examples of over-extension for the sake of 'appealing to everyone'.
My vested interest, in female pronouns granting a larger player-base encouragement/comfort, is in a similar vein to the reasons I want Fetish Toggles. Some content in this game is not for me, as well as for other people it isn't, yet I don't want to ignore characters or areas because of that. Gods, it's why I avoid the Brothel Work & Back Alley. Because it's entirely men you service (except for a one-time unique scene), yet the one futa prostitute you can service is a 'punishment' and you're even disparaged for doing the Top options(No reward, plus no compensation for food lost regardless of skill, I'd hate to be Ivy TBH.) Would be nice if we could toggle sexuality content as a fetish, NGL, since some stuff it'd indeed be just changing words.

You whining about it here is really pointless

No, we're not starting an argument, please we're trying to scale things down.

 

[mr_tao]

Adding something that wasn't made to be in the game in the first place is not "adding to the experience"

It literally is.

Now, I agree FemHiro it pretty much goes against the original point of the game.
But as long as it doesn't impact everything else, I can't find myself caring much.

The only gripe I have is that it MIGHT impact development, as it's more stuff to add, more variant arts to make, more older arts to change, etc, etc.
Which, I have no doubt, will also be something M&A will think about.

Plus the risk of attracting the wrong kind of crowd, the extremist pseudo-justice warriors who are liable to report everything they don't like to Patreon and such things.

But it also can help M&A to gather a larger crowd and thus more money

So, yeah. As long as adding FemHiro materials don't really impact the development of everything else, I don't really care.

 

[UndeadEve]

It literally is.

Now, I agree FemHiro it pretty much goes against the original point of the game.
But as long as it doesn't impact everything else, I can't find myself caring much.

The only gripe I have is that it MIGHT impact development, as it's more stuff to add, more variant arts to make, more older arts to change, etc, etc.
Which, I have no doubt, will also be something M&A will think about.

Plus the risk of attracting the wrong kind of crowd, the extremist pseudo-justice warriors who are liable to report everything they don't like to Patreon and such things.

But it also can help M&A to gather a larger crowd and thus more money

So, yeah. As long as adding FemHiro materials don't really impact the development of everything else, I don't really care.

We have a different definition of adding to the experience
I think that doing something that goes against everything is not good, but if you think it is, good for you

And yes, it will impact development, you don't need to be a dev to see that
not only do you have to create a bunch of new checks (not the hard part but can be time consuming) but you have to rewrite new scenes for every new checks, that's why i said doubling the work (at least if you only keep a "change pronouns to she") to a lot more.

 

[Geralt_of_Trivia]

who knew the word androgyny in a game about a male protag could cause so much strife a slightly different take on a dead beaten complaint horse but it variance, i'll take it

 

[Twiton]

someone has a link of the 0.3.08.4 for win

https://f95zone.to/threads/tales-of-androgyny-v0-3-08-4-majalis.1643/post-5872259

 

[mr_tao]

We have a different definition of adding to the experience
I think that doing something that goes against everything is not good, but if you think it is, good for you

Is it optional^? then it does NOT go against everything.
It's something 「more」

As far as the impact on the development, the real question is "how much compared to the amount of new money it brings?"

 

[Geralt_of_Trivia]

also if its a toggle/preference selectable option why are people up in arms about choice being added for such a minor detail in the over all scope of the project

 

[Twiton]

Brigand Date, but it's just you & her getting drunk at the outpost and committing crimes. Waking up next to her, swearing you're a Hero and this'll never happen again, then she hands you your cut of the loot which you sheepishly pocket. Met Condition if you do it again, where she tells you "Yeah, sure, this'll be the last time."

Pay me, this idea is gold and has a timed window of use.

 

[Daeos]

How come all of the orcs in your game are green? It's 2021, you racist bigot.

 

[Twiton]

Here's some more Warmth Act 3 Sneak Peeks, this time a visit from a rather Ssssweet Former Fling.

 

[Majalis (ToA)]

Not going to reply to anyone individually, but I will say this - this argument has no purpose, and even if it were among patrons, it would still not, so it's not because of the venue. It's been discussed to death, and very few of the arguments are good arguments, for or against. These decisions have already been made, and it's not open for endless debate. This isn't the Blood War.

Long story short: pronouns don't really matter and if people want to identify more with the player character or experience their gender identity shifting, I'm fine with it. The content we put in the game is directly related to our target audience, and only indirectly related to our actual audience. If our entire audience wanted hardcore gore tomorrow, they wouldn't get it. We're not mercenaries, we're entertainers. We want to please our audience, which is why we take surveys and interact with them, but we'll continue to make what we want to make, and we're lucky that we do have an audience that happens to like that.

When we started, we got dire warnings from people that if we didn't make a female protagonist, we'd never find an audience. There absolutely is an audience for androgynous content, gay content, bi content, etc. And we've never had a problem with making a female protagonist, as an example: we just chose not to prioritize it, and if or when we do, it'll be because we choose to, and not because a lightbulb went off and someone synthesized the perfect way to repeat "some people like female protagonists," or measured enough angels on the head of a pin to know exactly what constitutes something being "gay".

I look forward to writing this again in the future. This wasn't the first time and it won't be the last. People will continue to vaguely allude to this post to advance their arguments. The Blood War never ends.

 

[Twiton]

DEMONS, DEVILS, FIENDS AND YUGOSLOTHS, FIGHTING AMONGST THEMSELVES FOR POWER AND GLORY, ALL TO ATTAIN MORE IN THE NEVER ENDING CONFLICT.
A WAR WITHOUT LASTING PURPOSE, EXCEPT FOR THERE TO BE A WAR, BETWEEN IMMORTALS OF FOREVER EVIL NATURE.
LET THE HELLHOUNDS OF STRIFE, GNASHING THEIR MAWS TO THE SOUNDS OF OUR CLASHING CLAWS, BE FOREVER FED WITH THE BONES OF ANGUISH AND CARNAG-

Wait, hold on...

or measured enough angels on the head of a pin to know

… how many Winnie's could be on the head of a pin with a backside that big?
I need numbers, that's the true never-ending strife in my mind right now...


… wait, shit, WE DID SAY MAJALIS THREE TIMES

 

[Twiton]

Brigand: "How d'ye like me now?"
Hiro: "Better."
The player, knowing there's not yet any game-over or follow-up:
​

 

[sandexxxxa]

Not going to reply to anyone individually, but I will say this - this argument has no purpose, and even if it were among patrons, it would still not, so it's not because of the venue. It's been discussed to death, and very few of the arguments are good arguments, for or against. These decisions have already been made, and it's not open for endless debate. This isn't the Blood War.

Long story short: pronouns don't really matter and if people want to identify more with the player character or experience their gender identity shifting, I'm fine with it. The content we put in the game is directly related to our target audience, and only indirectly related to our actual audience. If our entire audience wanted hardcore gore tomorrow, they wouldn't get it. We're not mercenaries, we're entertainers. We want to please our audience, which is why we take surveys and interact with them, but we'll continue to make what we want to make, and we're lucky that we do have an audience that happens to like that.

When we started, we got dire warnings from people that if we didn't make a female protagonist, we'd never find an audience. There absolutely is an audience for androgynous content, gay content, bi content, etc. And we've never had a problem with making a female protagonist, as an example: we just chose not to prioritize it, and if or when we do, it'll be because we choose to, and not because a lightbulb went off and someone synthesized the perfect way to repeat "some people like female protagonists," or measured enough angels on the head of a pin to know exactly what constitutes something being "gay".

I look forward to writing this again in the future. This wasn't the first time and it won't be the last. People will continue to vaguely allude to this post to advance their arguments. The Blood War never ends.

Yeah whats greate but still know you game played by heterosexuals, soo dont make to much Trudy-x-Kaylira-x-Hiro content.

 

[RC-1138 Boss]

We want to please our audience, which is why we take surveys and interact with them, but we'll continue to make what we want to make, and we're lucky that we do have an audience that happens to like that.

That is the best mindset when creating something in my opinion.

Yeah whats greate but still know you game played by heterosexuals, soo dont make to much Trudy-x-Kaylira-x-Hiro content.

Please someone tell me this is a bad attempt at a joke... Otherwise.

 

[UndeadEve]

That is the best mindset when creating something in my opinion.

That's what i said all along, as long as it's what they want to make it's all good, doing something because people think you have to is when it's bad.

 

[negroidprime]

Yeah whats greate but still know you game played by heterosexuals, soo dont make to much Trudy-x-Kaylira-x-Hiro content.

I hope you're not serious with this, because the alternative is... let's just say "Not good".

 

[Tokyo Partner]

Decided to show Minotauress some love with a commission for twitter. Used this to practice some more on liquids.

 

[Geralt_of_Trivia]

dam, he got me

 

[Gagdy]

Yeah whats greate but still know you game played by heterosexuals, soo dont make to much Trudy-x-Kaylira-x-Hiro content.

I mean just by reading a bit you can get that straight people aren't the target audience.