I don't necessarily agree that what Tony does is cheating cause as I said before at every opportunity I had Tony tell Anne who and what Tony had done.
Well, of course a player can choose to only let Tony have encounters that he'll admit to Anne. But my point is that, with the exception of the Punta Cana blowjob (and even then, only under certain conditions) and finding Nicole sleeping in their bed (again under certain conditions), Tony can take advantage of every single opportunity he's offered and there's zero effect on the relationship. Not negative ("I can't believe you're cheating and lying to me"), not positive ("it's so hot that you're having as much fun as I'm having"),
nothing. From a player standpoint, this indicates that Tony might as well go ahead and fuck everyone he meets, because it doesn't really matter. From an in-game standpoint, however, it means that Anne's either hopelessly mistaken about who her husband really is, or she doesn't care anymore. The story as it was written in the original and first revamp
strongly suggests the latter, and that interpretation is supported by her indifference to his participation in her activities (Dre, the various swingers) and her growing hostility to any attempt to restrain her.
I don't understand why Anne had such a problem with Tony fucking Nicole when she was the one who set it up. Ok I know if it wasn't in Tony and Anne's marital bed she doesn't have a problem but then I ask Why is it ok for Anne to fuck someone in the marital bed but not for Tony.
This is the sort of incoherent characterization that I used to complain about all the time. Yet there's a non-canonical explanation that I nonetheless believe to be true: by the time that Anne can get mad at Tony for letting Nicole spend the night, she understands — either consciously or subconsciously — that she's been driving this bus for a long time. That Tony might have been the one to initiate their adventures, but now she's in complete control of not only their adventures, but their relationship. That she has
all the power...including the power to tell her husband, and the best friend she practically threw at him earlier in the story, that they can't have sex anymore because it displeases her, but there's no way Tony can say shit about what
she's doing.
I'm repeating myself, but this story is driven by Anne from the moment she starts having sex with others and decides she loves it. It's a female protagonist game with interstitial elements in which the player and Tony can pretend he's the protagonist.
It just never sat right with me that Anne knowing the history of Martin stealing Tony's ex, she still cheats on Tony with Martin.
The shower scene is one of the biggest missteps in the first two versions of the game, and TACOS would be infinitely improved if it disappeared. And the
reason it shouldn't exist is because it places responsibility for whether or not Anne and Martin have sex — and whether or not Anne actively cheats on Tony in terms of the game code, though of course she'll go on to cheat on him anyway, no matter what — on Tony. There's no way in hell that Tony, unless he's an idiot, a complete masochist, and an utter slave to his cuckold fetish (which, to be fair, probably emerged when his father started fucking his girlfriend), would ever allow...much less encourage...his wife to have sex with Martin.
The entire Martin arc would make so much more sense, and be so much more effective, if it was Anne who was making the choice. Martin flirts at the beach (because that's what he does), and she has the option to respond positively or not. If she does, she's interested. Later, Tony tells her about Martin and Emma and begs her to push him away. Now Anne has an even bigger choice: is she convinced by her husband's pain, is she so horny for her father-in-law that she's going to try to convince Tony that it would be really hot if he let them fuck anyway, or is she going to pretend to accept Tony's terms and then go behind his back? All three actions should be based on Anne's current level of "corruption" (I know that's not a stat in this game, so let's say it's her willingness to have sex without her husband's explicit, in-advance permission) and her feelings about their relationship (which should be based on whether or not Tony's cheating, how much interest Tony's showing in what's ostensibly something they're doing as a couple, and how much sex they're having).
Whether or not to transition from hotwifing to outright cheating should be
Anne's choice, not Tony's. To repeat myself...
Ok I didn't like the Dre scene where Anne said that she wished it was just her and Dre.
From the standpoint of a player rather than Anne's theoretical husband, I actually
loved that, because it made absolutely clear something that had only been gestured at earlier: Anne was not only quite capable of separating her extramarital fun from her husband's fetish, she was also seeking connections beyond the purely sexual with her partners. Dre was
hers, not
theirs.
A zillion pages back in this thread, I was already making a point I'm going to reiterate now: a story in which Anne is sorta slutting around for her husband's enjoyment (and hers) for a while, but realizes that she'd rather pursue deeper (and more marriage-threatening) relationships with Dre/Ryan/Martin/Marcus/Mike/whoever, is a vastly more interesting story that one that keeps introducing new and consequence-free dicks. In the first version of the game, there's no threat to the relationship. In the revamp, the only actual threats to the relationship are Tony changing his mind or refusing her requests for sex. (Other threats, like Tony knocking someone up, are introduced and then forgotten.) But those are all facile and manufactured threats. A
real threat is Anne telling Tony that Dre's invited her over for the weekend despite the plans she and her husband had already made, she's going to go, and she's not asking for permission. A
real threat is Anne and Ryan having daily Zoom sex while Tony's at the office. A
real threat is Anne going to work for Martin and never, ever telling Tony about it. Along the same lines, a
real threat is Emma quitting her job with Martin, reentering Tony's life, spilling the beans about Anne and Martin, and convincing Tony that they should resurrect their relationship and hide it from Anne.
Instead, we get a fat plumber, the boss' kid, a car salesman, and a band. Such riveting, complex drama!
Like in the new version Tony and Anne haven't had sex for 10/11 days, she has sex with 2 strangers and all Tony gets is oral sex afterwards
Right, and in a sensible narrative this should be a massive warning sign for Tony. That it's not suggests three things: 1) he's an idiot (which is true in any version of the game); 2) this has never, for him, actually been about spicing up their marriage, but instead about fulfilling his fetish; and 3) his needs are no longer Anne's priority. In the revamp, this happened much later in the game. That it's happening so soon in this version strongly suggests that Anne already understands, even if only subconsciously, that if Tony can get his jollies from being cuckolded, she's no longer responsible for his sexual needs and so she might as well seek her own fun on her own terms.
For me it isn't Tony doing the pushing this time but Anne. Although Tony suggested it Anne seams to be the one taking the bull by the horns so to speak.
Well, I think that's the way this
should be going, because I think that's the dev's true intent, even if he resists fully committing to it because it means that he's actually (everyone sing along)
writing a female protagonist game.
and from right then and there I realized I was on rails at the mercy of the dev.
I think that's something that too few players correctly grasp about pretty much any game that contains a fetish they don't necessarily share. TAC(OS) is a game about Anne having sex with people other than her husband; as much as she can, as often as she can, with less and less concern about how it's affecting her marriage. It's also a game about Tony's cuckolding fetish and how it absolutely shatters the lock on Pandora's Box. Players who attempt to fight either of those core precepts are doomed to be disappointed.
-- ty for the reply
