oszapo25

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Many people complained about that Anne started to cheat without MC knowing it. Without Mod the only way to turn Anne's faithfullness into No was to let her fuck with your dad. That was the first real cheating of Anne without telling MC in the evening.
Later she starts cheating with other guys too then. If you use the MOD for relationship and faithfullness stats u can avoid this.
But since chapter 14 and 15 the dev wants to cancel cheating completley and may will rewrite all cheating scenes from chapter 1-14 also into cuckold or swinging experiences. He wants to release the whole game with chapter 1-15 again by end of this year. And by middle of november he will release complete chapter 15 as standalone.(without 1-14)
It is a pity to cancel cheating from the game. Cheating is a very good occasion for a revenge sex, as ANNE or Tomy "punishes" her or his jelaous partners, sexing before them. From the wiew point of the husband and wife, of course there is no sense of jelaousy between them, except the mutual emotional alienation from each other. In this case they would fear from loss of beloved partner in marriage.
 
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Sadowdark

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It is a pity to cancel cheating from the game. Cheating is a very good occasion for a revenge sex, as ANNE or Tomy "punishes" her or his jelaous partners, sexing before them. From the wiew point of the husband and wife, of course there is no sense of jelaousy between them, except the mutual emotional alienation from each other. In this case they would fear from loss of beloved partner in marriage.
The cheating in the game was badly done. When Anna betrayed, the statistics did not change at all. Only in two cases (Martin, Woker) did the statistics show that Anna is not faithful. She did not tell her husband about it. That she was fucking the doctor, the receptionist, the guy in the gazebo on the beach, the statistics showed that she was faithful.
 

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The cheating in the game was badly done. When Anna betrayed, the statistics did not change at all. Only in two cases (Martin, Woker) did the statistics show that Anna is not faithful. She did not tell her husband about it. That she was fucking the doctor, the receptionist, the guy in the gazebo on the beach, the statistics showed that she was faithful.
Yes the approach was bad but i must admit some of the cheating scenes are really hot. Lets hope Dev will let them in and may correct them to a right approach or turn them into cuckold/swinging. Ijust dont like if he cut some of the scenes. Some are really tricky to trigger if u dont use a MOD.
 
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Sadowdark

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Yes the approach was bad but i must admit some of the cheating scenes are really hot. Lets hope Dev will let them in and may correct them to a right approach or turn them into cuckold/swinging. Ijust dont like if he cut some of the scenes. Some are really tricky to trigger if u dont use a MOD.
I didn't like cheating because my stats said otherwise.Dev should give the couple a little wits so that they aren't happy idiots
 
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leg28

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Since he wants to remove cheating mode because a lot of patreons do not like cheating may he will change the Martin Situation into a cuckold or swinging experience.
wtf is going on with cheating here in general. when there is cheating/ntr some people get hysterical. incest, paedophilia, bestiality, rape, harrasment... it is fine. e.g. tony fucking aunt and eventually niece in future no protest (tbh i like aunt scene and looking forward niece development). but, god forbid, if mc is cheated by partner we have revolution, screaming, face palming, protesting against project... is it maybe wound from rl?
(not to misunderstand me, i'm playing all these kinks in games, but in rl i find these much more unacceptable than cheating). if it is up to that people we would never have masterpieces like anna karenina, lady chatterly, or movies like unfaitfull (d.lane cheating on r.gere) or damage (anna cheating on his hubby with his father in law martin...i meant j.binoche&j.irons). if tolstoy is alive and on patreon there would be angry posts on karenina.

i never protest against kinks i don't like... it is only GAME. it is not happening to you people in rl. in this kind of games (choice based games, non kinetic novels) there has to be choices. i put several posts here against eliminating choices from ch1-14 including option to avoid martin (personally, i played all the paths available and enjoyed it, including ones with and without martin). i strongly objected eliminated ANY path from this game, because it will ruin the game.

if you are right about new martin situation, my question is wtf is going on with dev. is he so weak with zero integrity that he moves in several days from martin is not avoidable into martin is deleted just for posts. leave martin path in the game, just return choices to avoid it. and either remove option to avoid stupid blackmail by uncle or remove anna's choice, because whatever we choose she ends in uncle's bar.

i believe this debate about paths distracted us from real question you patrons needed to ask lazy milking s.o.b.: WHY DID YOU NEED ALMOST HALF YEAR TO PRODUCE SHORT, CHOICE-LESS UPDATE STRIPPED FROM ANY CONNECTION WITH PREVIOUS 14 CHAPTERS AND 5 YEARS OF OUR FOLLOWING YOUR GAME?
and then DEMAND him to swithch from monthly billings into PER MAJOR UPDATE (option exists on patreon)
 

Sadowdark

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wtf is going on with cheating here in general. when there is cheating/ntr some people get hysterical. incest, paedophilia, bestiality, rape, harrasment... it is fine. e.g. tony fucking aunt and eventually niece in future no protest (tbh i like aunt scene and looking forward niece development). but, god forbid, if mc is cheated by partner we have revolution, screaming, face palming, protesting against project... is it maybe wound from rl?
(not to misunderstand me, i'm playing all these kinks in games, but in rl i find these much more unacceptable than cheating). if it is up to that people we would never have masterpieces like anna karenina, lady chatterly, or movies like unfaitfull (d.lane cheating on r.gere) or damage (anna cheating on his hubby with his father in law martin...i meant j.binoche&j.irons). if tolstoy is alive and on patreon there would be angry posts on karenina.

i never protest against kinks i don't like... it is only GAME. it is not happening to you people in rl. in this kind of games (choice based games, non kinetic novels) there has to be choices. i put several posts here against eliminating choices from ch1-14 including option to avoid martin (personally, i played all the paths available and enjoyed it, including ones with and without martin). i strongly objected eliminated ANY path from this game, because it will ruin the game.

if you are right about new martin situation, my question is wtf is going on with dev. is he so weak with zero integrity that he moves in several days from martin is not avoidable into martin is deleted just for posts. leave martin path in the game, just return choices to avoid it. and either remove option to avoid stupid blackmail by uncle or remove anna's choice, because whatever we choose she ends in uncle's bar.

i believe this debate about paths distracted us from real question you patrons needed to ask lazy milking s.o.b.: WHY DID YOU NEED ALMOST HALF YEAR TO PRODUCE SHORT, CHOICE-LESS UPDATE STRIPPED FROM ANY CONNECTION WITH PREVIOUS 14 CHAPTERS AND 5 YEARS OF OUR FOLLOWING YOUR GAME?
and then DEMAND him to swithch from monthly billings into PER MAJOR UPDATE (option exists on patreon)

There is one major problem in this game, why don't we have control over Anna? Then everyone would play the way they like.
 

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There is one major problem in this game, why don't we have control over Anna? Then everyone would play the way they like.
Not a fan of that, that falls into the multiple protag tag.
But if MC's actions had a real effect on Anne's (like being a jerk makes her cheat) and if we had our choices carried over to the next game ; that'd be enough to me.
Or even a quick question like on Anna Exciting Affection : every time you see someone you encountered in the previous game you have a choice between having done the dirty with them or not.
 

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There is one major problem in this game, why don't we have control over Anna? Then everyone would play the way they like.
Not a fan of that, that falls into the multiple protag tag.
But if MC's actions had a real effect on Anne's (like being a jerk makes her cheat) and if we had our choices carried over to the next game ; that'd be enough to me.
Or even a quick question like on Anna Exciting Affection : every time you see someone you encountered in the previous game you have a choice between having done the dirty with them or not.
in fact you both are telling the same. this game is by all means made for multiple (2) protagonists. and we already had practically multiple protagonist game (yes, with more tony content - when together, mainly tony was one deciding) in large part of ch1-14. and suprisingly it worked good. both mcs were spending lots of time separated in communication with others. and we had choice what to do - to stop them both doing "dirty things". game was far better when anne was also protagonist with choice - we had story. when anne's decisions were out, game became storyless collection of porn clips.
 

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Not a fan of that, that falls into the multiple protag tag.
But if MC's actions had a real effect on Anne's (like being a jerk makes her cheat) and if we had our choices carried over to the next game ; that'd be enough to me.
Or even a quick question like on Anna Exciting Affection : every time you see someone you encountered in the previous game you have a choice between having done the dirty with them or not.
(y)
 

Sadowdark

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in fact you both are telling the same. this game is by all means made for multiple (2) protagonists. and we already had practically multiple protagonist game (yes, with more tony content - when together, mainly tony was one deciding) in large part of ch1-14. and suprisingly it worked good. both mcs were spending lots of time separated in communication with others. and we had choice what to do - to stop them both doing "dirty things". game was far better when anne was also protagonist with choice - we had story. when anne's decisions were out, game became storyless collection of porn clips.
This is exactly what doesn't work well. Tony has very little content in this game, it's just a minor addition compared to his wife. Anna quickly gets out of control, becoming a sexual predator, fucking anything she gets with or without Tony's consent. We don't all want Anna to fuck everything with no choice. And Tony is a lucky cuckold idiot. And what Ch1 told himself at the beginning is just a lie. An example of this Tony idiot's dialogue. in
T: You see this guy in the bar?
A: yes
T: Do you like it?
A: I don't know?
T: I know you like it
A:Or maybe
T: You would like to fuck him
A: I don't know
T: Where is Anna?
 
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For me the biggest problem with this game is there are no consequences to the cheating. We know that Anne is a cheating slut whatever way you play it Anne cheats, But there has been no consequences to the fact that she cheats and tony just seams to either be oblivious to it all or does know but does nothing about it.
The second problem for me is that our choices do not matter. In this last update I choose that Anne would tell Tony about she is sleeping with his father and not work in the club yet she doesn't tell him the whole truth about his uncle and the blackmail so therefore Tony without knowing the full storey suggest she work in the club, So again our choices just don't matter. If the dev could sort out those 2 things then we would have a great game again. He doesn't have to take out the cheating or the fact that Anne (and Tony depending how you play it) are sluts just implement consequences to their actions.

For me I used to love this game and couldn't wait for the updates to come out but now I'm meh about the updates. Ill play other games before I play this one now. With this last update I waited over a week to play it. I used to care about Anne and Tony and always wanted them to work out but now I couldn't really care less about Anne and wish that we would get a choice for Tony to kick Anne out and get with one of the other girls.
 

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In my opinion the dev needs to just stop whatever he's doing and come up with actual endings to the routes. From there he can work backwards and fill in the blanks. Until he has an actual end game in sight, the game will continue to be a jumbled incoherent mess where choices don't matter and the player is just along for the ride. I mean basic logical fallacies and inconsistencies have been around from early in the game and continue to be a problem years later and once in a while will get a quick band-aid fix that causes more problems lol.
I don't expect any changes or an end game until the supporters dry up and the milking is no longer useful in which case we'll get abrupt endings to the game and/or it being abandoned for the next milk- I mean game he has planned.

Dev if you're reading this: I hope you don't take all the recent critique as an attack, instead it should be viewed as a compliment. People are complaining because they are fans of the things you've done and are that passionate/caring but are just disappointed in the direction things have gone for a while now. You have the talent you just need to tighten up the execution. If you do continue to make games/VN's going forward I hope you change your approach to how they get done. Instead of trying to cater to a wider audience right off the bat it probably would have been better to stick to your original vision/story (The Cuckold) and used that to gain a following with which your next works could have an already built in fan base which you could grow with future games. By trying to please everyone, you've pleased no one (well besides the couple hundred subs you have left I guess). Initially the subs were in the thousands when the story first started because you had a plan and were executing it but once the money started coming in you sold out your vision for it and just did what you thought the big spenders wanted which of course led to you hemorrhaging subs. Even if you didn't have a specific ending in mind for your original game, The Cuckold, you at least knew the general direction you wanted to go in and were working towards that for a while. The importance of having an ending or at least a majority of the story already mapped out can't be understated. However due to a combination of greed and/or laziness the game took some hard left turns and we are now left with... whatever this is now. We all know money is important and likely the main reason most (all?) devs do this but it should be quite clear that the quick cash grab way of doing things is much less lucrative then building an actual supportive fan base in the long run (something the most popular/successful devs have shown). If this is something you wish to continue doing into the future, you should play the long game and garner actual support rather then temporary short term gratification. No matter what you do you will always get criticism from people (you can't satisfy everyone) but at least you'll be true to yourself while at the same time doing what's best for the business side of things. Either way, just want to thank you for the game as your efforts are appreciated and I hope the potential that most people here recognize doesn't go to waste.
 

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whaatttt??!!
i play this game from link 1-10 old version.... zzzzzz...
can i carry my old save to ver final 14 fix??
Don't play 1-10 version unless you want to try the "spicy" mod. It is a defunct build only still linked here because it is compatible with the "spicy" mod. You will not be able to import saves. The current version starts from chapter 1 except for the Chapter 15 which is standalone (may be first chapter of part 2).
 
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How to import part 1 to part 2?
if you're talking about my Part 1 & 2, then read this.
i have no better way to explain it.
if you're talking about CH15, there is nothing to import, just start a new game.
 
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