VN Ren'Py The Adventurous Couple [TACOS S3 P1b] [Mircom3D]

[NewTricks]

i think it's important to characters (male or female doesn't matter) have some kind of inhibitions/moral blockers - taboos/doubts. especially in that kind of themes, that's our anchor to reality and immerse to some renders and couples of sentences. dont get me wrong, not like constant denials and "no, don'ts" all the way along in japonese ntr games.

and i think that so much exciting that way, than they goes like a stranger out of nowhere fuck the shit up anne and thats normal like a regular coffee in the morning. maybe im am the weird one but get serious with that love-relations and marriage will you?

we need conflicts, temptations and no-goes (at least some context to let it happen) man! but anne and hubby okay with good looking smart bulls to ugly/fat/old or some idiots. i mean, for example of idiots, what's up with that band members? that kind of excitement works with virgin boys but grown ass musicians? c'mon. maybe some more deviant shit might spice it up but they goes like "look guys a pussy omg!". and 3 of them too...

i can understand people want it and i like extremes too, like ugly mans and so on. but at least some build up needs sometimes; like that old neighbor got at least some time with morning jogs etc.

in the end, i like the game and love anne's model also so many things about the game too. but sometimes game just got out of control and scatter around.

i wish all good for dev and get it together, so can bring us that greater times of this good story. you were better than this man. lastly, im not a native english speaker so apologies from everybody who read this blubber.

I think if I were to summarize what you are trying to articulate it is that the story has had difficulty introducing conflict in a satisfactory manner since the chapter where Anne finally embraced the polyamorous lifestyle that her husband was pushing.
Conflict of some kind is essential, as is some sort of tension. "Will she or wont she?" was the tension in the early chapters even though the outcome was never in doubt. Once that tension was dispensed with, the focus of the story becomes a picaresque rampage through introductions to an ever-expanding roster of love interests who come and go like they are walking through a revolving door.

So this critique does carry a lot of weight. Any scene worth writing has at least two people who want different things and how one or more of them gets what they want. A scene where two or more people just want to have sex is nice to watch and all, but it isn't going to be very effective. This may be why there is a vocal contingent that wants to know Anne's thoughts the same way that we know the MC's. Because she may be cooperating with and even enjoying the lifestyle, but if we understand her motivations better and what, if anything, she is conflicted about her more irrational behaviors may be better explained and more interesting conflicts introduced.

Of course, this alteration is not necessarily a silver bullet that will automatically make the game better. In the end, the problems with the game are structural. It already missed its opportunity to be a slow burn, tension-filled NTR game and now is just a full speed ahead harem game with two protagonists potentially collecting two harems.

 

[Nurikabe]

Exactly this.

After Punta Cana, it's full speed ahead. Before that, Anne has to be pushed really, really hard. Which her idiot husband does, because he only cares about his fetish.

In my play-through, there is zero pushing. She does not resist. Not even a little. In the post I made above (https://f95zone.to/threads/the-adventurous-couple-ch-14-tuesday-mircom3d.7192/post-7824771), I outline the path from the Prologue through Puta Cana. She does not resist or give the MC a hard time.

From the mall scene and forward, if you do not participate in an activity she gets angry. On the first mall trip, try telling her that you want to go home instead of the shoe store! She gets upset and forces you to go because she removed her panties and wants to flash the salesman.

The only way I was able to get her to resist was to play the bad husband. For example, not asking her about her day and instead of asking about joining the email club. Or by asking her if she did anything adventurous instead of asking her how she feels. If you do those types of things, she will get mad at you for pushing. If you want Anne to be enthusiastic from the beginning, just be a nice husband! Ask her how she is doing. Offer dinner before leaping into sex. Think about her and her desire to fuck everything when making any decision.

 

[Segnbora]

I think if I were to summarize what you are trying to articulate it is that the story has had difficulty introducing conflict in a satisfactory manner since the chapter where Anne finally embraced the polyamorous lifestyle that her husband was pushing.
Conflict of some kind is essential, as is some sort of tension.

Which is exactly why the failure to exploit the Dre/Martin/Ryan relationships is so frustrating. She can have truly problematic encounters with two of the three, and her obsession with Dre is entirely obvious. There's so much potential for narrative tension. But no, Anne needs to add another 357 notches to her bedpost.

 

[SevenCostanza]

Is there a route where she tells the MC about every encounter or is that unavoidable?

 

[Segnbora]

Is there a route where she tells the MC about every encounter or is that unavoidable?

There's a route in which she tells her husband about almost everything she does, but there are a few encounters she doesn't tell him about. I don't think they're a deliberate attempt to deceive the husband, I think it's just the dev's carelessness.

 

[SevenCostanza]

There's a route in which she tells her husband about almost everything she does, but there are a few encounters she doesn't tell him about. I don't think they're a deliberate attempt to deceive the husband, I think it's just the dev's carelessness.

Ah I see thanks for the info. Seems like quite a glaring omission given how much that alone shapes the story, and in turn, the players opinions/perspective on the wife. It makes it difficult to accept the idea that the wife is doing it to please the husband out of love and some shared experience they are on together and instead frames it squarely as her being a cheating slut. I guess it's unlikely there will be a 'happy couple' ending where their 'adventure' actually manages to bring them closer together and only cuck and cheating endings.

 

[Segnbora]

It makes it difficult to accept the idea that the wife is doing it to please the husband out of love and some shared experience they are on together and instead frames it squarely as her being a cheating slut. I guess it's unlikely there will be a 'happy couple' ending where their 'adventure' actually manages to bring them closer together and only cuck and cheating endings.

Well, I obviously don't know what the dev intends, but I've said for years that I think it doesn't end well. That said, and as we've been discussing above, it's really difficult to know what's really happening without being able to get into Anne's head. (Getting into Anne's pussy is, obviously, the easiest task in the world.)

 

[Liam the Handyman]

But no, Anne needs to add another 357 notches to her bedpost.

Only 357? she can do 753 ez...

 

[SevenCostanza]

Well, I obviously don't know what the dev intends, but I've said for years that I think it doesn't end well. That said, and as we've been discussing above, it's really difficult to know what's really happening without being able to get into Anne's head. (Getting into Anne's pussy is, obviously, the easiest task in the world.)

Yea I agree. The only thing we can base any opinion of her on are her actions and it seems to be clear the direction things are going. Given the impact it has on the story it seems kind of ridiculous to think the dev was just careless and it wasn't intentional. Even if one were to believe the encounters she doesn't share with the husband were simply the dev being careless, her behavior as well as who it's happening with and the setting/context of her various liaisons lend credence to the theory that this is no longer about them exploring things as a couple but simply about satisfying herself. For example the scenario with the father. Her knowing about how the father has screwed with her husband in the past should be a huge red flag. If she was actually doing things for their relationship and out of love, the father wouldn't even be an option to sleep with. The only way to reconcile that part of the story would be to assume she doesn't really care about the husband instead prioritizing her own selfish needs. I mean to be fair the 'porn logic' and suspension of disbelief one has to employ is there from the beginning when she's supposedly reluctant but as soon as you want to slow things down she gets upset. The game basically forces you in the direction of her becoming a cheating slut regardless of how implausible some of the scenarios are and doesn't really offer the chance to achieve the original premise of exploring and experiencing new 'adventures' as a couple I suppose this was the intended ending all along given all roads seem to lead to it regardless of what the player does.

 

[NewTricks]

There's a route in which she tells her husband about almost everything she does, but there are a few encounters she doesn't tell him about. I don't think they're a deliberate attempt to deceive the husband, I think it's just the dev's carelessness.

I think it is inferred that on occasion she does tell him but we are not privy to that scene. Later on, he will be like "oh yeah, you told me about the spa" when we never saw the scene of her telling that story. I'm kind of okay with that just as long as her withholding information isn't essential to a scene, like when the jealous husband tries to tell Anne that her husband is fucking his wife and she is like "So what? You fucked me in the bathroom." Then we are scratching our head wondering when because at that point you may or may not have seen that depending on whether you selected the black or sibling fetish earlier on. So it is indeed carelessness on the Dev's part.

 

[Segnbora]

Given the impact it has on the story it seems kind of ridiculous to think the dev was just careless and it wasn't intentional.

Reasonable, but I do think it's careless. All the elements for conflict are right there. Not a single one of them is addressed.

 

[SevenCostanza]

Reasonable, but I do think it's careless. All the elements for conflict are right there. Not a single one of them is addressed.

Yea it's one of my bigger gripes about these NTR/corruption type games. The conflict and how it gets addressed/dealt with is such a gold mine of content and plots but it so often gets ignored or immediately rendered inconsequential. Too often other games in the genre (like Angelica's temptation, Anna's exciting affection, Lily of the Valley, etc etc.) where the story begins and the FMC has a significant other, that significant other is always depicted as the tiny dick, incompetent, loser who can't satisfy their women. I always asked myself, "why were they together in the first place?". You wonder how their relationship was ever considered good and functional when the issues the FMC encounters have been there from the start and it only takes one tiny encounter for her to resent their partner. In many of the games I wished they had the option to leave the significant other and start a relationship with one of the guys she's cheating with and then have her be tempted by another guy she was sleeping with. For example the game Anna's exciting affection, her bf is in the hospital (either heavily medicated or in a coma) and she fucks his dad basically on top of him in his hospital room while even admitting she no longer cares for him and she blames him for the situation she's in. At that point why even bother keeping him around in the story? He doesn't add anything at this point. While there are several other guys she's screwing that she connects with better sexually and emotionally. The pool of suitors/partners should be from the competent group so there's an actual sense of conflict. Having her go through the motions and just verbalizing her guilt but showing no real remorse or hesitation to jump on the next dick and never really having to face any consequences for her actions doesn't really have the intended effect. Basically it doesn't feel like there's anything at risk. The stakes are so low that if she remains with the significant other it almost doesn't matter if she gets caught she has no shortage of potential partners. If she was conflicted between two people who are competent, who can satisfy her sexually, and she cares about then the cheating has actual meaning and consequences and the choices the player makes will have more impact. It seems to be the path TAC is going because at this point it feels like she cares more about the people she's sleeping with then the husband and there's no real meaning to the story now besides a corruption version of Pokemon. Gotta fuck em all!

 

[Puma1978]

Is there for Windows Version already an update available which solves the Error in Chapter 14 when Anne takes the Walker way and i meet the blonde girl on the beach...right after that i get the error that some label "Walkalone"... or something cant get found.
Same issue appears wit Ryan route in Chapter 10 but it works when u dont invite Ryan in the first chapter.
On Android Version i dont have these errors in Chapter 10 and also in Chapter 14 all combinations of routes work fine until the end of game status.

 

[Segnbora]

the story begins and the FMC has a significant other, that significant other is always depicted as the tiny dick, incompetent, loser who can't satisfy their women. I always asked myself, "why were they together in the first place?".

Exactly. Here, the husband is well-endowed (not Marcus-level, but still) and, according to everyone other than Anne, a highly competent lover, which already makes the game unusual. So if there's going to be narrative tension — what does all this fucking around mean for their marriage? — it has to come from elsewhere.

Several times, this story has presented potential sources of tension — Martin, Ryan, Mike, Dre, Emma, Anne's first boss, Anne's new boss, the woman who claims the husband got her pregnant, screwing his coworkers when Anne specifically asked him not to — and yet, at every stage, the player is allowed to just wave them away by saying, "yeah, go ahead and have sex." One could argue that the dev simply doesn't want tension in this story, but that can't be true; he keeps introducing sources of tension, plus relationship tension and failure to correctly navigate their behavior can be game-ending events.

In the end, it's just bad writing. Anne's obviously fucking Martin on a regular basis, Martin took Emma away from the husband the very same way, and yet this is...no big deal anymore? Not even worth arguing about? Emma tries to steal the husband back by outing Anne & Martin, and yet she's obviously still fucking Martin as well. Not worth mentioning? No, let's find another fifteen previously unknown dicks for Anne to enjoy!

 

[Puma1978]

Exactly. Here, the husband is well-endowed (not Marcus-level, but still) and, according to everyone other than Anne, a highly competent lover, which already makes the game unusual. So if there's going to be narrative tension — what does all this fucking around mean for their marriage? — it has to come from elsewhere.

Several times, this story has presented potential sources of tension — Martin, Ryan, Mike, Dre, the woman who claims the husband got her pregnant, screwing his coworkers when Anne specifically asked him not to — and yet, at every stage, the player is allowed to just wave them away by saying, "yeah, go ahead and have sex." One could argue that the dev simply doesn't want tension in this story, but that can't be true; he keeps introducing sources of tension, plus relationship tension and failure to correctly navigate their behavior can be game-ending events.

In the end, it's just bad writing. Anne's obviously fucking Martin on a regular basis, Martin took Emma away from the husband the very same way, and yet this is...no big deal anymore? Not even worth arguing about? Emma tries to steal the husband back by outing Anne & Martin, and yet she's obviously still fucking Martin as well. Not worth mentioning? No, let's find another fifteen previously unknown dicks for Anne to enjoy!

You are right, there are really very interesting situations in the game which doesnt have logic consequences and character behavior currently.
I would also like to have control in Anns decissions because somehow i cant understand why she goes rouge and fucks really everyone from old guys til young boys without giving the gamer a choice. Since the game is still not completed i want to believe that the writer and dev is just putting these tension points to finish and connect them hopefully in a later version of the game when he has defined different endings.
Such unfinished and unlogic situations where you expect more outcome are also present in nowadays triple A games. But i must confess that TAC has great potential and if done and finished right it could be gorgous.

 

[kristo0086]

Ch. 10 sunday

 

[Puma1978]

Ch. 10 sunday

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Yes i know this from windows. You can avoid this one if you dont invite Ryan at chapter one to ur place so that at chapter 10 when he appears again dont ask u in the bar if he can approach your wife. Then this error will also nog come up but u miss Ryans Scene with ur wife but believe me this scene is not that impressive. On android version i didnt get this error in Chapter 10 even with Ryan Route and also Chapter 14 with Wifes cheating route also the Scene with Anne and Walker and me and the Vancouver girl works properly gil the end of the game. Its only on windows an unsolved issue ....i will try now a mod i found which claims go solve the issue.

 

[kristo0086]

Yes i know this from windows. You can avoid this one if you dont invite Ryan at chapter one to ur place so that at chapter 10 when he appears again dont ask u in the bar if he can approach your wife. Then this error will also nog come up but u miss Ryans Scene with ur wife but believe me this scene is not that impressive. On android version i didnt get this error in Chapter 10 even with Ryan Route and also Chapter 14 with Wifes cheating route also the Scene with Anne and Walker and me and the Vancouver girl works properly gil the end of the game. Its only on windows an unsolved issue ....i will try now a mod i found which claims go solve the issue.

Thanks

 

[Deleted member 4740748]

Teaser pics?

 

[SevenCostanza]

Exactly. Here, the husband is well-endowed (not Marcus-level, but still) and, according to everyone other than Anne, a highly competent lover, which already makes the game unusual. So if there's going to be narrative tension — what does all this fucking around mean for their marriage? — it has to come from elsewhere.

Several times, this story has presented potential sources of tension — Martin, Ryan, Mike, Dre, Emma, Anne's first boss, Anne's new boss, the woman who claims the husband got her pregnant, screwing his coworkers when Anne specifically asked him not to — and yet, at every stage, the player is allowed to just wave them away by saying, "yeah, go ahead and have sex." One could argue that the dev simply doesn't want tension in this story, but that can't be true; he keeps introducing sources of tension, plus relationship tension and failure to correctly navigate their behavior can be game-ending events.

In the end, it's just bad writing. Anne's obviously fucking Martin on a regular basis, Martin took Emma away from the husband the very same way, and yet this is...no big deal anymore? Not even worth arguing about? Emma tries to steal the husband back by outing Anne & Martin, and yet she's obviously still fucking Martin as well. Not worth mentioning? No, let's find another fifteen previously unknown dicks for Anne to enjoy!

It kind of feels like the introduction of new characters is less about the narrative tension/conflict and more just about ensuring more lewd scenes for different tastes. Let's have her screw a: ugly/fat/dirty/homeless/animal/interracial/relative/stranger/young/old person etc. just to tick most of the boxes this genre of game typically has and to try to satisfy as many fetishes as possible. I'm not really expecting any of the conflicts/people she sleeps with to come to any sort of actual resolution besides 'keep having sex and cheating, eventually get a divorce, become a whore'.

I agree, it's bad/lazy writing. Especially the Martin stuff. It's a particularly egregious transgression (probably the most damaging to their relationship given what we were told previously and the history) but nothing seems to reflect that. It's treated with the same importance as if it was a random stranger when the actual impact should be huge. In reality, the relationship would be too far gone to salvage at that point but like you said it's not a big deal anymore! Barely worth mentioning! It can only end like the aforementioned 'resolutions' that are expected. Keep having sex and cheat, eventually divorce, become whore. The routes seem to all adhere to that structure regardless of which actual route you are on. There doesn't seem to be a 'husband' route anymore at this point and the one where she seems to develop actual feelings and affection for one of the guys will likely come to the same finale as the cheating/cuck routes. Namely: cheat, divorce, whore. The dev has kind of written himself into a corner and has no 'logical' way to write himself out of it without doing more 180's in terms of characters/logic/tone. Also the possibility of a 'happy couple' ending of any sort seems unlikely given you are nudged (very forcefully) in certain directions in order to advance the story. Perhaps I'm the only one but I prefer if there were some balance in the routes/endings. If on one end she cheats and has no remorse and happily leaves the husband, conversely, there should be the possibility that her life goes to shit and she hits rock bottom as a result of her choices or she realizes how badly she messed up and goes grovelling back to the husband (whether she is forgiven or not I don't know, that would be up to the player). Of course this kind of balance and variety will be hard to achieve now without either doing more 180's or retconning previous chapters since the original premise of an 'adventurous couple looking for new experiences and spice together' seems to have been abandoned a while ago.