VN Ren'Py The Adventurous Couple [TACOS S2 P4a] [Mircom3D]

[Segnbora]

Looking at the script, you need to satisfy "if drake >= 2" which means Anne has to have sex with Drake on the beach (anal or otherwise). To have sex with Drake on the beach Anne first has to go there with Martin, which means she needs to be cheating with Martin.

It doesn't actually appear to matter whether or not Anne's met Troy (though he still says he recognizes her as the wife of his wife's boss); I don't see a test for whether or not Anne & the MC went to his employee's house for dinner.

Anyway, I think this will get you the scene. But really, Drake beach anal/Drake spa anal/Drake & Troy spa threesome/Anne tells the MC/Anne doesn't tell the MC in this chapter is really where I threw up my hands and gave up on anything making sense.

 

[Debaser Pixie]

Thanks Segnbora. Your post, along with a few last year finally opened this up, though it was a bit nonsensical. I had to choose threesome/interracial for porn (makes sense), allow Anne to bang Martin but choose the non-cuck route which gave her cheat points. You have to be ok with her banging him again in the morning potentially as well.

* If I tried the cheat route, after the stripping competition she meets Martin, not damien and that throws everything off.

I also had to allow her to stay by herself for the Swingers, giving swinging = 2, which really doesn't tie into anything. I then took the chloe - stay for drinks event for continuity, don't know if it had an affect, though she recognized him at the spa.

Final (relevant?) variables were as follows:
cheatanne=4
cuck=2
drake=2
drakebeach=2
interracial=2
martin=2 / martintues=2
stripper=2
swinging=2
threesome=2

So apparently the key was to have relevant variables in all three routes (cheat/cuck/swing), and to randomly reject participation with the swingers, further confused by there not being any scenes or dialogue when you do so. I have spent way too many hours working this out

This is an excellent game, and Mircom has done a fabulous job overall. I did not have any logic tree issues with the redo, so hopefully these issues are being addressed. Thanks to everyone and the forums for the assist.

 

[Segnbora]

Yeah, most of the variables you mentioned doing don't really affect events the way you'd guess. Ironically, choosing to watch cheating porn closed off certain cheating options for Anne because variables got set too high. Nothing about the swinging "path" ever made sense, and I admit to being a little surprised it's persisted into the revamp if there aren't going to be a whole bunch of added scenes, which there apparently aren't.

The scene that I never triggered or even knew about until I looked at the script was the one you kept getting: anal with Drake at the spa. That and the extremely tepid MC/Anne anal scene, which is so short I almost missed it going through the script.

 

[andreibvb1]

what's the status of ch11?

 

[Computergod67]

what's the status of ch11?

If you played ch5 revamp you would know the answer to that

 

[Retromancer]

So apparently the key was to have relevant variables in all three routes (cheat/cuck/swing), and to randomly reject participation with the swingers, further confused by there not being any scenes or dialogue when you do so. I have spent way too many hours working this out

Anyway, I think this will get you the scene. But really, Drake beach anal/Drake spa anal/Drake & Troy spa threesome/Anne tells the MC/Anne doesn't tell the MC in this chapter is really where I threw up my hands and gave up on anything making sense.

And yet some people on this forum still seem to wonder why the revamp is being done, or think it isn't worth it. Those people are wrong. It's not about this scene, although it's illustrative. It's about the next chapters making any sort of sense and, more importantly, players being able to access the scenes they want through logical gameplay (and avoid scenes they don't).

As far as the 100 chapters thing, I give this little credence. Sounds like hyperbole from Mircom, and it's practically impossible.

 

[Segnbora]

No, there's no way this goes beyond about 15-20 without devolving into nonsense. Still, we could get a lot more. All the pure cheating routes could be developed to their natural ends, for example.

 

[apnea111]

Above Is a presentation of Games supporters number through time.

Note the explosive growth from launch until july 2018. At that point we have a New dev starting from zero(no kick of on an establised fanbase). Good enough at rendering, mediocre at coding.

Turning point Is the launch of ch 7. At that point ch 7 isnt Yet evaluated from the fanbase and all his initial growth and dynamic Is Based in the first 6 chapter.

So what about ch 7?
OK it was buggy but so were previous chapter. Coding Is problematic, but routes arent stretched enough at that point to cause gameplay issues.

The only thing making the update different from previous ones Is the introduction of anne cheating. Note that Is still optional and the scene Is not even a penetration scene.

Its takes the dev 5 monts and 4 update to get to the exact spot He already was.

Note that through ch7 to ch10, game has almost zero growth. During that time tac has the already disqussed game mechanism issues, dev Is going from good enough to great at rendering, animations are intoduced, game becomes one of the heaviest in terms of sex scenes numbers.

Lesson learned (or not)

1)Renders were never an True issue.

2) Heavy sex scene content doesnt equals growth. Implementing everyones kink request doesnt help. Fappers fap for Free.

3) Initial fanbase misunderstood game premise or dev orientation, or dev misunderstood the nature of his original fanbase. Ntr, cuckold, cheating tags were there but initial fanbase expected to see a couple. The initial premise was a couple and how things could work for them. The term couple by nature priorities swinging or cuckolding and being together instead of cheating or ntr.
Prioritizing cheating was a Major Turning point even being optional. The pandora's box arguements were not convincing for the initial fanbase.

4) Through ch 7 to 10 game ended stereotypical. Swinging was never a True option. Couple ended not a couple. Cheating and ntr were main options often forced to the player.

5) after 10 original chapters and 5 revamped, and 20 months of development that initial 6 months fanbase equals to 85-90% of current fanbase.

If this couple Is ever supposed to act As one, they should probably after 15 ch have a meanigfull conversation at some point. Deal with their feelings, the terms of their relationship, agree or disagree, show some character. Hang out together, go for a walk in the Park or Maybe eat a Pizza without by default having 12inch dicks luring around ready to get on their face.

 

[PTM666]

If they order pizza, that delivery guy's gonna get his hands on Anne

 

[ronmoho]

Ntr, cuckold, cheating tags were there but initial fanbase expected to see a couple. The initial premise was a couple and how things could work for them. The term couple by nature priorities swinging or cuckolding and being together instead of cheating or ntr.

This. So much. I haven't seen many game take this path where even after indulging in forbidden taboo, they're ultimately, a couple. Still love and care for each other instead of cheating/shitting on their partner which we're all too familiar with.

 

[torkenstiem]

This. So much. I haven't seen many game take this path where even after indulging in forbidden taboo, they're ultimately, a couple. Still love and care for each other instead of cheating/shitting on their partner which we're all too familiar with.

Well, when you've "taken a bite of the apple", it's just too damned tempting not to take another bite.

 

[ronmoho]

Well, when you've "taken a bite of the apple", it's just too damned tempting not to take another bite.

I remembered reading article about swingers sharing their experience and still stay as a couple. It probably comparable to a normal couple going on a vacation. It's a mutual activity they enjoy doing together. But I guess developers think that's not as exciting? It probably requires a good writing too.

 

[PTM666]

I remembered reading article about swingers sharing their experience and still stay as a couple. It probably comparable to a normal couple going on a vacation. It's a mutual activity they enjoy doing together. But I guess developers think that's not as exciting? It probably requires a good writing too.

And let's be honest, not all devs are writing from experience.

 

[Segnbora]

I remembered reading article about swingers sharing their experience and still stay as a couple. It probably comparable to a normal couple going on a vacation. It's a mutual activity they enjoy doing together. But I guess developers think that's not as exciting? It probably requires a good writing too.

The reason, I believe, is that swingers having a series of pleasant experiences could — if well-written and well-illustrated — be a nice, sexy visual novel. But there's no tension in it; there's an encounter during which nearly every player is going to wonder what's different versus all the others and get bored. That encounter will come at different times depending on the player, and certainly one can vary the sexual activities for a while, but ultimately it's just about showing (one assumes) attractive people having sex with other attractive people. Actual porn does that much better than VNs.

The tension and conflict are what make it a game, or at least a story with malleable consequences. That's far more interesting.

For my own personal tastes I'm not sure why the majority of swinging/open relationship games seem to be stealth hard cuckold/humiliation — they certainly don't have to be; a perfectly happy and balanced relationship can stay that way or go incredibly wrong once the relationship's open, and there's a potentially great game in that — but despite the MC's obvious cuckold fetish this has always been one of the two that's closest to balanced. (Happy Marriage being the other.)

 

[slackster]

The reason, I believe, is that swingers having a series of pleasant experiences could — if well-written and well-illustrated — be a nice, sexy visual novel. But there's no tension in it; there's an encounter during which nearly every player is going to wonder what's different versus all the others and get bored

Could always have the tension in a swinger story being either one or both of the couples start to fall for the other partner and the story goes from there depending on the choices the player makes

 

[Segnbora]

I agree wholeheartedly, but that's not the alleged real-world scenario I was responding to.

I believe TAC has a few opportunities to pursue that particular source of tension: Martin and Dre for sure, probably Ryan, maybe Marcus. On the other side, Emma.

 

[Computergod67]

I agree wholeheartedly, but that's not the alleged real-world scenario I was responding to.

I believe TAC has a few opportunities to pursue that particular source of tension: Martin and Dre for sure, probably Ryan, maybe Marcus. On the other side, Emma.

Mikes wife too.. You had the option to be off in the bathroom with her as well at the swinger party. Forgot her name though.

 

[Segnbora]

Mikes wife too.. You had the option to be off in the bathroom with her as well at the swinger party. Forgot her name though.

Eh, I don't think there's a romantic possibility there.

 

[Computergod67]

Eh, I don't think there's a romantic possibility there.

well there should be. lol

 

[apnea111]

I agree wholeheartedly, but that's not the alleged real-world scenario I was responding to.

I believe TAC has a few opportunities to pursue that particular source of tension: Martin and Dre for sure, probably Ryan, maybe Marcus. On the other side, Emma.

You are seeing this wrong.

He Is not revamping "The ten commandments" The movie with Charlton Heston, stricted to stay loyal to the original script.

Why Is there a rule we have to see again Martin, Dre, Ryan etc exactly in same order, same Role, same character, same way they fuck Anne, same everything?

And speaking of tense. Where was the source of tense after original ch. 7? Who she was gonna fuck next and in what ways?
At some point the couple relationship seemed doomed. Everyone was more important than MC.
And what Is the source of tense in the revamped chapters? He have all seen the spoilers. Till now we are all watching the exact same movie filmed in slighty better image quality.

There Is no polite way to say it, but that game failed its goals at the first place. In its patreon Page you can see a status bar of devs initial goals. Its about 35%!!! Game has gained 20 supporters in the Last 13 months!!!

That heavily cramped with sex scenes, good rendered, cheating-ntr, many zero depthed character, basic dialoqued, poorly coded game failed. And the begining of the failure was the launch of chapter 7.

The original 10 ch., especially the Last 4 stand there as a paradigm. But that paradigm Is not mainly about what to follow. But what to avoid.