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many devs create games with optional NTR that can be left on or switched off. the dev would surely benefit from adding this option going forward. it would appeal to alot more players in my opinion and perhaps bring him more new patrons. just my opinion. to be honest i really like this game alot except for the voyeur personality of our happy idiot MC. there is a game called Watching My Wife where you can choose to have a good sharing relationship with your wife.. or have her cheat or be a cuckold. these options would be great in this game going forward as well. but the dev seems not to be interested in targeting a wider group of gamers for his games and just cater to a few pathetic losers that happily enjoy a cuck little idiot MC.

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He could have done that, but he obviously didn't want to. And you're not the first person to suggest this, by a very big margin. So if it was ever going to be a possibility, he would have done that long ago. The fact is, most of his patrons love NTR, and probably want that cuck path more than anything. He is trying to satisfy them and not the wider group of gamers, who have never shown any interest in his game and probably never would, no matter what changes he made to it. As the proverb goes, 'A bird in the hand, is worth two in the bush'

To 'the wider group of gamers', Watching my Wife is an NTR game, regardless of what options it has in it. A lot of people just can't get past a game having something in it, that they hate unreservedly. And it doesn't matter how many people tell them, that there is no chance of encountering that content, unless they choose to see it. They're just wearing blinkers, and they can't see anything but what they hate so much. So yeah, he could do what you say. But the time when he could make that change, and it might make a big difference, has come and gone, years ago
 

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Just goes to show how muddled the game has become and lacks direction.
The cuck fans are disappointed because it's not really cuckold.
The cheating fans are disappointed because it's not really cheating.
The swinging fans are disappointed because it's not really swinging.
etc..

Also, LOL at trying to fill in the holes in logic by assuming things happened 'off screen' to support your argument.
But everyone keeps playing it. Even Sadowdark, who says it forced him 'to play as a happy cuckold idiot'. If everyone is so disappointed as you claim, why do they keep coming back for more, yourself included? I think the logical assumption is that they really love it, because why else would you put up with being forced to do stuff, that you claim to everyone else that you hate? So I reckon any hole in my logic, is not as big as the hole in yours.
 

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it seems that Zara Scarlett is rather offended at the thought of players not liking watching the MC of a game being a fucking idiot. just because those of us that don't like his personality flaws doesn't mean there aren't other reasons to play, such as the hot as fuck Anne that is a dream wife for many of us that never ever even got to 1st base with a woman as hot as her. speaking for myself, the women i was with were average and unattractive and as i have gotten older i am now alone by choice and enjoying living vicariously through these VN's. many of them have content i dislike but doesn't mean i won't play them through to see if they get better. and by ch 14 it did get better for me esp with the honesty talk that made me think going forward i would enjoy the game even more. just because a player posts about not liking certain things going on in a game, doesn't mean they don't enjoy other parts of it. sure the dev probably doesn't read our posts and may not care about things we suggest going forward. but if i were able to create these games myself i would. but i enjoy playing games for now. and having a dev consider his story from ideas he reads on a forum makes sense to me. not everyone can afford to give patron money to every game dev of games they play. if i did i would have to live in a box cause i play lots of games.

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But everyone keeps playing it. Even Sadowdark, who says it forced him 'to play as a happy cuckold idiot'. If everyone is so disappointed as you claim, why do they keep coming back for more, yourself included? I think the logical assumption is that they really love it, because why else would you put up with being forced to do stuff, that you claim to everyone else that you hate? So I reckon any hole in my logic, is not as big as the hole in yours.
Because if you have no other choice. Then you are forced to play a jolly idiot with a cuckold or a forced cheat tour. Your choices don't mean anything, because the game will force you to do anything else anyway. The (Scam) rout is a very small addition that doesn't mean anything. Discard an illogical plot full of errors and inaccuracies. You have empty fucking scenes. Why do people keep coming back because they want to see the changes in this game and not just that they love it. The big mistake of this game is that we don't control Anna, then everyone plays the way they like and no one clings to the game.
 
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it seems that Zara Scarlett is rather offended at the thought of players not liking watching the MC of a game being a fucking idiot. just because those of us that don't like his personality flaws doesn't mean there aren't other reasons to play, such as the hot as fuck Anne that is a dream wife for many of us that never ever even got to 1st base with a woman as hot as her. speaking for myself, the women i was with were average and unattractive and as i have gotten older i am now alone by choice and enjoying living vicariously through these VN's. many of them have content i dislike but doesn't mean i won't play them through to see if they get better. and by ch 14 it did get better for me esp with the honesty talk that made me think going forward i would enjoy the game even more. just because a player posts about not liking certain things going on in a game, doesn't mean they don't enjoy other parts of it. sure the dev probably doesn't read our posts and may not care about things we suggest going forward. but if i were able to create these games myself i would. but i enjoy playing games for now. and having a dev consider his story from ideas he reads on a forum makes sense to me. not everyone can afford to give patron money to every game dev of games they play. if i did i would have to live in a box cause i play lots of games.

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Why wasn't the most important question at the beginning of this update, did Anna cheat with Martin?
I agree, that should definitely have been a question. That decision more than any other, impacts so many future outcomes in the game. There are quite a few scenes, that never take place, with Malcolm, Troy and Drake, and other unnamed people at the beach, if you don't make that decision. And of course, it changes the entire dynamic of her working as an air hostess. And if she never has sex with Martin, then he's just Tony's father and her boss who unsuccessfully flirts with her. It just beggars belief that Mircom didn't think, it was necessary to ask what choice you made there?
 
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Because if you have no other choice. Then you are forced to play a jolly idiot with a cuckold or a forced cheat tour. Your choices don't mean anything, because the game will force you to do anything else anyway. The (Scam) rout is a very small addition that doesn't mean anything. Discard an illogical plot full of errors and inaccuracies. You have empty fucking scenes. Why do people keep coming back because they want to see the changes in this game and not just that they love it. The big mistake of this game is that we don't control Anna, then everyone plays the way they like and no one clings to the game.
Don't think you're being a trifle optimistic that Mircom is going to radically change the game, to fit in with precisely what you want? If he was gonna do it, he would have done it a long time ago. The only changes he is going to make, is what his patrons ask for. Now maybe, purely by chance you'll end up with more of what you want. Because he's decided to make this into a game, with two clearly defined paths. That's if you're happy with Tony and Anne swinging and he makes it so you don't have to include other content, as was the case before. But if you want anything else from the game, there is zero chance of it ever happening.
 

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Don't think you're being a trifle optimistic that Mircom is going to radically change the game, to fit in with precisely what you want? If he was gonna do it, he would have done it a long time ago. The only changes he is going to make, is what his patrons ask for. Now maybe, purely by chance you'll end up with more of what you want. Because he's decided to make this into a game, with two clearly defined paths. That's if you're happy with Tony and Anne swinging and he makes it so you don't have to include other content, as was the case before. But if you want anything else from the game, there is zero chance of it ever happening.
Swinging suits me better than cheating and cuckolding
 

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Just a couple of things. I see everyone complaining about the new release, I did too. But I decided that I will wait until the full week release (probably in a month) to decide whether this is a total failure. If it continues down the same path that it began on, then I think I may be done, which is a shame because I was one of the few people who really liked the reset. Let's face it, the reason we have so many issues with the update is that we really like the game. We don't always agree on the direction but overall we really like the concept of the game, that is why I think there are so many people having issue with the game now. Now onto point 2, at this point it is pretty obvious the developer is making this up as he goes. It seems like there never was a fully written out story with a beginning, a middle and an end. Just look at the last update to confirm this. If he had this planned from the beginning, then why didn't he just make the whole Martin thing a mandatory decision? Anyway, that's just my opinion. I'm hopeful that in a month we will all be saying that we like the new direction. I doubt it, but I remain hopeful. But then again I watched every episode of She-Hulk hoping it would get better so what the hell do I know.
 

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it seems that Zara Scarlett is rather offended at the thought of players not liking watching the MC of a game being a fucking idiot. just because those of us that don't like his personality flaws doesn't mean there aren't other reasons to play, such as the hot as fuck Anne that is a dream wife for many of us that never ever even got to 1st base with a woman as hot as her. speaking for myself, the women i was with were average and unattractive and as i have gotten older i am now alone by choice and enjoying living vicariously through these VN's. many of them have content i dislike but doesn't mean i won't play them through to see if they get better. and by ch 14 it did get better for me esp with the honesty talk that made me think going forward i would enjoy the game even more. just because a player posts about not liking certain things going on in a game, doesn't mean they don't enjoy other parts of it. sure the dev probably doesn't read our posts and may not care about things we suggest going forward. but if i were able to create these games myself i would. but i enjoy playing games for now. and having a dev consider his story from ideas he reads on a forum makes sense to me. not everyone can afford to give patron money to every game dev of games they play. if i did i would have to live in a box cause i play lots of games.

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I never mentioned anything about your opinion of the MC. I just claimed you were wrong in your assumption that the Dev of this game, has never considered making the changes, that you considered to be beneficial. Things like that have been pointed out to him repeatedly, during his 5+ years making this game. And he hasn't done anything about it. So I was merely pointing out the likely futility of your suggestion.

As well as suggesting that your comparison with the game 'Watching my Wife', was not a good reason for the 'wider group of gamers' to start playing this game in droves, particularly when you take into account this game has 419 patrons, whereas that one only has 190. So it doesn't appear the 'wider group of gamers' agree with your analogy at all. As I pointed out, it's viewed by too many people as an NTR game, just like this one is. And once that happens, it doesn't matter what you change. Those people will always see it that way.
 

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fair point. yes Watching my Wife is a different style game which has the viewpoint of both the husband and wife as you play through it. so that is why i said i enjoyed it more since i can somewhat control how the story unfolds. which i like alot.
and since this is a discussion forum and i havent read many of the early posts here since there are a lot of comments i just voiced my opinion and noticed a few people that agreed or didn't.
anyway i guess i have made my opinion now so i guess i will shut up now..:coffee:
 

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fair point. yes Watching my Wife is a different style game which has the viewpoint of both the husband and wife as you play through it. so that is why i said i enjoyed it more since i can somewhat control how the story unfolds. which i like alot.
and since this is a discussion forum and i havent read many of the early posts here since there are a lot of comments i just voiced my opinion and noticed a few people that agreed or didn't.
anyway i guess i have made my opinion now so i guess i will shut up now..:coffee:
I don't have anything against 'Watching my Wife', I play it myself and I think it's very good.

And Anne is a pretty big part of me playing this game as well. Quite frankly, if she were the protagonist instead of Tony, it wouldn't bother me in the slightest. But I'm guessing most of Mircom's patrons, want Tony and only Tony as the protagonist, because his experiment of making Anne into a secondary protagonist didn't last very long.
 
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Well then it appears, you're going to get what you want. And you won't need to feel forced anymore. Maybe sticking with the game all that time has finally paid off?
(y) The right choices in scenes and plot are not forced and I am satisfied
 

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Just finished both paths, and there doesn't appear to be any difference between them at all. I hope that's going to change, because otherwise why bother?

I can just about get my head around Anne cheating on Tony, on the cuck path, even though it totally ignores all those people who chose for Tony to find out about it from Emma, and for Anne to admit that it was happening, when Tony confronted her. On the cuck path, I'm going to let it go, even if I'm not totally happy with it. Because if Tony is a cuck, he's more likely to go along with her cheating.

But on the swinging path, it makes no sense whatsoever. Because swingers are supposed to share everything, so why would Anne be lying, even we eliminate the possibility that she started doing it at all (which on a purely swinging route seems highly unlikely). The only conceivable way, it could work ( and I still don't really see this in Swinging relationship), is if Anne had Tony's complete consent. Which so far is totally not the case. So I'm really hoping the Dev is going to change this, (preferably to Anne not having fun with Martin, but at the very least with Tony's full knowledge). Because otherwise, it will make a total nonsense of this route.

I mean really they should alter the whole scenario at the club, so Tony knows exactly what is going on ( at least on the swinging path), plus I don't understand how Tony having an orgy, whilst Anne wasn't around fits in with the swinging route either. Swinging is supposed to be both partners having fun, with other people together, not separately. It seems to me, Mircom is very confused about what the term actually means. And if he's not going to do it properly, what's the point of doing it at all? We may as well, have just stuck with the game as it was, because at the moment I'm not seeing much difference anyway.

So please Mircom get your act together, sort out the issues with Martin, and start treating these two routes with some degree of seriousness, instead of the confused mishmash we seem to currently have.
 

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But everyone keeps playing it. Even Sadowdark, who says it forced him 'to play as a happy cuckold idiot'. If everyone is so disappointed as you claim, why do they keep coming back for more, yourself included? I think the logical assumption is that they really love it, because why else would you put up with being forced to do stuff, that you claim to everyone else that you hate? So I reckon any hole in my logic, is not as big as the hole in yours.
I would assume because there are so few legitimate options for these kinds of games and the bar is so low. Also maybe because they hope at some point things can course correct to what it used to be when it was much more popular. Are things that black and white for you that if someone continues to play the game they must love it otherwise they shouldn't play at all? No middle ground? Is that really what you consider logic? Just because someone offers some kind of criticism or preference or idea that runs counter to what you may think or is even the slightest critique of the dev/game doesn't automatically mean they hate it with their entire being. Are all the games you play 100% satisfactory and fulfills every desire and checks every box? Is there not a single thing you would change or improve?
 

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I would assume because there are so few legitimate options for these kinds of games and the bar is so low. Also maybe because they hope at some point things can course correct to what it used to be when it was much more popular. Are things that black and white for you that if someone continues to play the game they must love it otherwise they shouldn't play at all? No middle ground? Is that really what you consider logic? Just because someone offers some kind of criticism or preference or idea that runs counter to what you may think or is even the slightest critique of the dev/game doesn't automatically mean they hate it with their entire being. Are all the games you play 100% satisfactory and fulfills every desire and checks every box? Is there not a single thing you would change or improve?
Trust me, I've got plenty to say, about the current mess, that is Chapter 15. I'm quite willing to point out all the flaws, regarding the numerous dead ends, under developed characters and just plain confusing storylines, that abound in this game. But you know what, I also think this game is fucking brilliant. For all it's issues and frankly unfullfilled promise, it's still the best NTR game on this site. It has an absolutely stunning main female character, and some of the scenes are positively electrifying. And it has so much content overall. I know some people hate it, but I dont. And even if it dissolves into total crap, I'll still keep coming back, simply because Anne's in it.
 
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I'm glad I read these comments before playing the latest update. Because if I played first and came across the forced Martin content, I probably would have just deleted the game and never played it again.
I have avoided the Martin content in every playthrough. It just never seemed plausible to me - the MC dumped his previous 1st love because she cheated on him with Martin, so it seems most likely that the MC would kick Anne to the curb if she did the same.
But even beyond whether the scenario is plausible or not, what would irritate me the most of a Martin/Anne affair would be - there are 2 decisions in a previous chapter where we have the option to open the Martin path. The 1st is at the beach from Anne's perspective, where she decides whether to flirt with Martin or not. The 2nd is in the apartment from the MC perspective, where he decides whether to encourage Martin to go into the bathroom when Anne is taking a shower.
So the Dev is providing 2 options to open a Martin path. If we as players don't choose either, then just fucking drop it.
If the Dev is just going to force us into things that we already chose not to, then why offer choices at all? Why not just make this a kinetic novel then?
It's actually worse to offer the illusion of choice, then to not offer any choices at all.

So I am glad to hear that the Dev is going to redo this part of Ch 15.

I am just so disappointed in this VN. TAC was one of my favorite VN's for probably the 1st half of the chapter's. But then the Dev kind of lost his way and TAC is mostly just about fan service now. Anne is basically just a human sex doll.
I felt like the reset in CH 14 would hopefully get the VN back on track. But then I am hearing that CH 15 is the biggest shit show of all the chapters. So now I am feeling much less optimistic.

I feel like the Dev should maybe do some research on the Hotwife/wife sharing genre.
Having a smoking hot wife and sharing her with select other guys can be really hot. Having a wife that will literally fuck any guy that looks at her isn't so hot any more. She pretty much just turns into the neighborhood bicycle, where anyone can hop on and take it for a ride. I mean part of the reason Anne can't tell the MC about all the guys she fucks, is because she fucks so many guys that she has a hard time keeping up and a few slip her mind. To be fair - the MC pretty much fucks every women he says hi to as well.
So that's my point - this VN is mostly just about fan service and any plot has fallen to the wayside. The plot is just filler between sex scenes.
 
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