VN Ren'Py The Adventurous Couple [TACOS S2 P4a] [Mircom3D]

[Grumpy Old Aussie]

This wear occurs when one of the parties or both are not 100% committed to their marriage and is losing interest, in this case the MC is the one who is losing interest in their marriage because otherwise they would have looked for other alternatives to recover that passion in Their relationship is probably due to the sociological damage that Martin has caused him in the past,

Agree, when they start hiding things from each other they have lost all respect for their marriage. Anne's knows they are in trouble. Her attempt to bring back the marriage to how it was is unlike to last very long.

it is that the MC only gets full arousal when he sees Anne having sex with others.

This is a common problem for those who live the cuck lifestyles. They get addicted to the powerful emotions surrounding the sharing experience. They are unable to perform normally with their partner. They can only get off when their partner tells them intimate details of what happened or only when they see their partner with other people. 'Normal' sex doesn't cut it for them anymore.

 

[88stanford88]

he should have gotten a nice baseball bat

I understand and respect that you would have taken a good baseball bat to kill your father...but it was Tony who invited Martin into the bathroom where Anne was naked.... and there are choices to keep Martin from fucking Anne
The only scene of violence in the old CH14 is the one where Uncle Robert saves Anne from being raped in the dark alley because Tony was already knocked out

Well: "To loose sexual interest into each other" is a RESULT of a 5 years long marriage. And as a result, they NEVER declare, that they "(Anne and Tony) no longer want to have sex with each other." That is a DIFFERENCE, opposite to your equality of t

is novella
in the phrase I have posted to you from the game dialogs they are talkin about
SEXLIFE
They never declare in explicit way correct: but the reason is because they have both decided to fix the problem

opposite to your equality of the two assertion.

my assertion?
I posted dialog and pics from the first day game... (there will be other scenes after)
and i added my opinion... my opinion are valid like yours.. ARE THEY?

All of your examples are the signs of sexual interests getting tired.

YEAH that is what I said

I argue with you: he doesn't recon Anne as his scumbag.

this is not my opinion but I respect your...
Are you able to respect different opinions from your?

On the opposite, he admires Anne's beauty over-joyed, but wether his (their) sexual joy beeing decline during marriage or rather their desire more and more missing.

You seem to be talking about Tony as if Anne didn't exist.
Yes that is what i said but you forget that also Anne admires Tony... And if he gets tired after the first ejaculation and cannot satisfy her, the couple problems I mentioned begin
in other and "they are on the same page" (this phrase is also from the game)

This is why they sometimes head off sex causing only frustration for them.

frustration? maybe you are frustrated sometime... but this is not in the game!
can you post this scene where they are frustrated? (just for understand if I'm wrong)

But may be that Tony preejaculates, because he becomes overexcited simply for the idea of cuckolding or sharing Anne with others.

No No... you are defending only Tony against Anne.. this is not the story dynamic
but there was Anne in the bed with him.. and he asked to "play" with her (she was not exited she agreed to respect him)
I was talking about Anne reaction that is the major issue if he want to go along with the plan they both have decided

in fact in the sex scene that Tony and Anne have after trying the first adventure received in the email from the site" The Adventurous Couple" Anne and Tony seem to go back to having the same desire for sex as in the early days of marriage
here some pics from the second sex scene that proves that after starting to be adventurous they are starting to regain the mutual desire for their SEXLIFE!

As you can see now Anne is starting to be very exited






as you can see the path they both decided to take seems to be working great just after the first adventure.
Let me tell you that the flaw in your reasoning is that you only talk about Tony as if his wife does not have her needs

(if you do that in real life you will lose many girls and girls talk to each other ... your reputation may suffer)

someone wrote that tony doesn't do it because Martin pays them for the whole,

are you talking about what I wrote? Martin is his father and pays for his studies ...
Tony has his job and makes good money but having a family like Martin and Uncle Robert's helps a lot

Ok you were going to kill him, I get it

But Tony decided to invite him into the bathroom because part of him wanted to check what Anne was going to do....

This is a point that in Tacos could lead to a bad ending (game over) where Anne goes to live with her father and he is left alone and desperate
Game over is when the couple break their relationship.
And if you kill your father I don't think Anne will continue to be with you.

That is a DIFFERENCE, opposite to your equality of the two assertion

I just want to remind you that you were the one who was talking about the dynamics of the storyand my post that you are talking to was focused only on the first day of the story.
in this new post i wanted to point out to you that after starting adventures the sexual attraction between Tony and Anne seems to have returned to its former glory...
now all we have to do is enjoy their upcoming adventures remembering well that with every choice anne will react with her own head...
at the moment her sex drive has been reawakened she often has multiple orgasms...and that is a good sign for the future of their relationship...
but many things can happen because according to CH14 there are at least 180 days to write and the future holds surprises and unexpected endings

Maybe tacos will be shorter than CH14?
we will see. Endings are not written yet only the dev knows about endings

 

[oszapo25]

I understand and respect that you would have taken a good baseball bat to kill your father...but it was Tony who invited Martin into the bathroom where Anne was naked.... and there are choices to keep Martin from fucking Anne
The only scene of violence in the old CH14 is the one where Uncle Robert saves Anne from being raped in the dark alley because Tony was already knocked out
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is novella
in the phrase I have posted to you from the game dialogs they are talkin about
SEXLIFE
They never declare in explicit way correct: but the reason is because they have both decided to fix the problem

my assertion?
I posted dialog and pics from the first day game... (there will be other scenes after)
and i added my opinion... my opinion are valid like yours.. ARE THEY?

YEAH that is what I said


this is not my opinion but I respect your...
Are you able to respect different opinions from your?

You seem to be talking about Tony as if Anne didn't exist.
Yes that is what i said but you forget that also Anne admires Tony... And if he gets tired after the first ejaculation and cannot satisfy her, the couple problems I mentioned begin
in other and "they are on the same page" (this phrase is also from the game)

frustration? maybe you are frustrated sometime... but this is not in the game!
can you post this scene where they are frustrated? (just for understand if I'm wrong)

No No... you are defending only Tony against Anne.. this is not the story dynamic
but there was Anne in the bed with him.. and he asked to "play" with her (she was not exited she agreed to respect him)
I was talking about Anne reaction that is the major issue if he want to go along with the plan they both have decided

in fact in the sex scene that Tony and Anne have after trying the first adventure received in the email from the site" The Adventurous Couple" Anne and Tony seem to go back to having the same desire for sex as in the early days of marriage
here some pics from the second sex scene that proves that after starting to be adventurous they are starting to regain the mutual desire for their SEXLIFE!
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As you can see now Anne is starting to be very exited
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as you can see the path they both decided to take seems to be working great just after the first adventure.
Let me tell you that the flaw in your reasoning is that you only talk about Tony as if his wife does not have her needs

(if you do that in real life you will lose many girls and girls talk to each other ... your reputation may suffer)

are you talking about what I wrote? Martin is his father and pays for his studies ...
Tony has his job and makes good money but having a family like Martin and Uncle Robert's helps a lot

Ok you were going to kill him, I get it

But Tony decided to invite him into the bathroom because part of him wanted to check what Anne was going to do....

This is a point that in Tacos could lead to a bad ending (game over) where Anne goes to live with her father and he is left alone and desperate
Game over is when the couple break their relationship.
And if you kill your father I don't think Anne will continue to be with you.


I just want to remind you that you were the one who was talking about the dynamics of the storyand my post that you are talking to was focused only on the first day of the story.
in this new post i wanted to point out to you that after starting adventures the sexual attraction between Tony and Anne seems to have returned to its former glory...
now all we have to do is enjoy their upcoming adventures remembering well that with every choice anne will react with her own head...
at the moment her sex drive has been reawakened she often has multiple orgasms...and that is a good sign for the future of their relationship...
but many things can happen because according to CH14 there are at least 180 days to write and the future holds surprises and unexpected endings

Maybe tacos will be shorter than CH14?
we will see. Endings are not written yet only the dev knows about endings

Unfortunately you lost in details again. First you claimed, that: "Anne and Tony no longer want to have sex with each other.". I wrote that this statement is not true. Second you you insisted that: ""Anne and Tony no longer want to have sex with each other." is absolutely the same as "To loose sexual interest into each other""... I contravened this statement too. And now, you verify, that yet they wanted to have sex with each other...it's that simple....

 

[aly237204]

I understand and respect that you would have taken a good baseball bat to kill your father...but it was Tony who invited Martin into the bathroom where Anne was naked.... and there are choices to keep Martin from fucking Anne
The only scene of violence in the old CH14 is the one where Uncle Robert saves Anne from being raped in the dark alley because Tony was already knocked out
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is novella
in the phrase I have posted to you from the game dialogs they are talkin about
SEXLIFE
They never declare in explicit way correct: but the reason is because they have both decided to fix the problem

my assertion?
I posted dialog and pics from the first day game... (there will be other scenes after)
and i added my opinion... my opinion are valid like yours.. ARE THEY?

YEAH that is what I said


this is not my opinion but I respect your...
Are you able to respect different opinions from your?

You seem to be talking about Tony as if Anne didn't exist.
Yes that is what i said but you forget that also Anne admires Tony... And if he gets tired after the first ejaculation and cannot satisfy her, the couple problems I mentioned begin
in other and "they are on the same page" (this phrase is also from the game)

frustration? maybe you are frustrated sometime... but this is not in the game!
can you post this scene where they are frustrated? (just for understand if I'm wrong)

No No... you are defending only Tony against Anne.. this is not the story dynamic
but there was Anne in the bed with him.. and he asked to "play" with her (she was not exited she agreed to respect him)
I was talking about Anne reaction that is the major issue if he want to go along with the plan they both have decided

in fact in the sex scene that Tony and Anne have after trying the first adventure received in the email from the site" The Adventurous Couple" Anne and Tony seem to go back to having the same desire for sex as in the early days of marriage
here some pics from the second sex scene that proves that after starting to be adventurous they are starting to regain the mutual desire for their SEXLIFE!
View attachment 2830980
As you can see now Anne is starting to be very exited
View attachment 2830982
View attachment 2830988
View attachment 2830987
View attachment 2830986
View attachment 2830990

as you can see the path they both decided to take seems to be working great just after the first adventure.
Let me tell you that the flaw in your reasoning is that you only talk about Tony as if his wife does not have her needs

(if you do that in real life you will lose many girls and girls talk to each other ... your reputation may suffer)

are you talking about what I wrote? Martin is his father and pays for his studies ...
Tony has his job and makes good money but having a family like Martin and Uncle Robert's helps a lot

Ok you were going to kill him, I get it

But Tony decided to invite him into the bathroom because part of him wanted to check what Anne was going to do....

This is a point that in Tacos could lead to a bad ending (game over) where Anne goes to live with her father and he is left alone and desperate
Game over is when the couple break their relationship.
And if you kill your father I don't think Anne will continue to be with you.


I just want to remind you that you were the one who was talking about the dynamics of the storyand my post that you are talking to was focused only on the first day of the story.
in this new post i wanted to point out to you that after starting adventures the sexual attraction between Tony and Anne seems to have returned to its former glory...
now all we have to do is enjoy their upcoming adventures remembering well that with every choice anne will react with her own head...
at the moment her sex drive has been reawakened she often has multiple orgasms...and that is a good sign for the future of their relationship...
but many things can happen because according to CH14 there are at least 180 days to write and the future holds surprises and unexpected endings

Maybe tacos will be shorter than CH14?
we will see. Endings are not written yet only the dev knows about endings

I didn't say I would have killed him, it was just a hypothetical thought, but my reference was to the fact that Tony, he really shouldn't have dealt with his father given the precedent, that he paid for his studies, it was Martin's duty as a father , but it doesn't fit into Tony's current life, who has a salary for his own business, and if you say about the decision of what Anna would have done, it is clear that the moment Martin enters, knowing that Tony is there as on the beach, even on the beach, tony looks, without having a reaction, except to get excited, like in the bathroom, so, Anna we know that he opens his legs to anyone, but in some cases, it would have been nice to see a vehement reaction from tony, against Martin, i I just understood, that here we are many against Martin and some pros. but because Martin has a father figure and has already taken Emma away before. here is the contradiction.

I understand and respect that you would have taken a good baseball bat to kill your father...but it was Tony who invited Martin into the bathroom where Anne was naked.... and there are choices to keep Martin from fucking Anne
The only scene of violence in the old CH14 is the one where Uncle Robert saves Anne from being raped in the dark alley because Tony was already knocked out
View attachment 2831055 View attachment 2831056 View attachment 2831057

is novella
in the phrase I have posted to you from the game dialogs they are talkin about
SEXLIFE
They never declare in explicit way correct: but the reason is because they have both decided to fix the problem

my assertion?
I posted dialog and pics from the first day game... (there will be other scenes after)
and i added my opinion... my opinion are valid like yours.. ARE THEY?

YEAH that is what I said


this is not my opinion but I respect your...
Are you able to respect different opinions from your?

You seem to be talking about Tony as if Anne didn't exist.
Yes that is what i said but you forget that also Anne admires Tony... And if he gets tired after the first ejaculation and cannot satisfy her, the couple problems I mentioned begin
in other and "they are on the same page" (this phrase is also from the game)

frustration? maybe you are frustrated sometime... but this is not in the game!
can you post this scene where they are frustrated? (just for understand if I'm wrong)

No No... you are defending only Tony against Anne.. this is not the story dynamic
but there was Anne in the bed with him.. and he asked to "play" with her (she was not exited she agreed to respect him)
I was talking about Anne reaction that is the major issue if he want to go along with the plan they both have decided

in fact in the sex scene that Tony and Anne have after trying the first adventure received in the email from the site" The Adventurous Couple" Anne and Tony seem to go back to having the same desire for sex as in the early days of marriage
here some pics from the second sex scene that proves that after starting to be adventurous they are starting to regain the mutual desire for their SEXLIFE!
View attachment 2830980
As you can see now Anne is starting to be very exited
View attachment 2830982
View attachment 2830988
View attachment 2830987
View attachment 2830986
View attachment 2830990

as you can see the path they both decided to take seems to be working great just after the first adventure.
Let me tell you that the flaw in your reasoning is that you only talk about Tony as if his wife does not have her needs

(if you do that in real life you will lose many girls and girls talk to each other ... your reputation may suffer)

are you talking about what I wrote? Martin is his father and pays for his studies ...
Tony has his job and makes good money but having a family like Martin and Uncle Robert's helps a lot

Ok you were going to kill him, I get it

But Tony decided to invite him into the bathroom because part of him wanted to check what Anne was going to do....

This is a point that in Tacos could lead to a bad ending (game over) where Anne goes to live with her father and he is left alone and desperate
Game over is when the couple break their relationship.
And if you kill your father I don't think Anne will continue to be with you.


I just want to remind you that you were the one who was talking about the dynamics of the storyand my post that you are talking to was focused only on the first day of the story.
in this new post i wanted to point out to you that after starting adventures the sexual attraction between Tony and Anne seems to have returned to its former glory...
now all we have to do is enjoy their upcoming adventures remembering well that with every choice anne will react with her own head...
at the moment her sex drive has been reawakened she often has multiple orgasms...and that is a good sign for the future of their relationship...
but many things can happen because according to CH14 there are at least 180 days to write and the future holds surprises and unexpected endings

Maybe tacos will be shorter than CH14?
we will see. Endings are not written yet only the dev knows about endings

so, from what you're talking about, I'm right, I didn't say to kill the father, but to teach him a lesson, but if you tell me, that Anna, knowing that Tony defended his right and a previous slight from his father with Emma, would decide to leave Tony , then it is clear that here there is no couple just because sex is not satisfying, but there is a wife who if she doesn't have her sexual freedom or free relationship, leaves him, this would be a perfect story, or a story of an adventurous couple , I read the story of a slut wife, just waiting to find a good match and a good dick to replace Tony, coincidentally, bad endings, end up with Anna living with Martin, is that a coincidence?

 

[88stanford88]

Unfortunately you lost in details again. First you claimed, that: "Anne and Tony no longer want to have sex with each other."

yes this is the start of the game as i said

I wrote that this statement is not true.

the gameis about 180 days
I was ralking about the first day

Second you you insisted that: ""Anne and Tony no longer want to have sex with each other." is absolutely the same as "To loose sexual interest into each other""

yes it is eben my statement included the facy that this is coused by the 5 years of marriage

I have also said the they was very active in sex in the early days

I contravened this statement too. And now, you verify, that yet they wanted to have sex with each other...it's that simple....

I'm talking about a working progress story line
your statements instead are statical.... you forget that there is a STORY PROGRSSION

the first day: "Anne and Tony no longer want to have sex with each other AFTER 5 YEARS of perfect marriage."

After they both decided to go for the plan to have sexual adventures with strangers...they sens to hace solved bery well the problem of their missed sexlife

are you sure to understand?
I think you are lost my explaination

 

[88stanford88]

so, from what you're talking about, I'm right, I didn't say to kill the father,

yes you said o take a baseball bat

what were you going to do with?

is that a coincidence?

the story is in the game
please post the screenshot of the scene you are talking about I will be happy to admit that you are right!

 

[aly237204]

yes you said o take a baseball bat

what were you going to do with?

forgive, but with a baseball bat you can break a leg, or an arm to teach a lesson, as I have already written LESSON, no, kill him, which are two different things, I don't think that if you break his leg, you can kill someone, I think

the story is in the game
please post the screenshot of the scene you are talking about I will be happy to admit that you are right!

let me get this straight, the ending where the two break up, and anna is seen going with martin, while tony is dating anna's friend, you didn't. it is one of the endings that is created, after Anna catches Tony with her friend in their marriage bed, and Anna allows herself to get pissed because she violated the marriage bed, when previously, she on that bed, made us Free, Malcom, THE country bar marching band, and the house vendor, hahahah

 

[Leongen43]

In the story, he says that it is wear and tear on the couple that drives Tony to try to convince Anne to open the couple, I think that the idea of sharing his partner was already there since he met her and perhaps it is one of the reasons why He married her, surely he knew her past and knew that she would end up accepting the proposal, Tony's fetish was born as a result of the damage that Martin did to him in his adolescence where he witnessed his father having sex with the girls on several occasions. his girlfriends

 

[88stanford88]

forgive, but with a baseball bat you can break a leg, or an arm to teach a lesson, as I have already written LESSON, no, kill him, which are two different things, I don't think that if you break his leg, you can kill someone, I think

a baseball bat for what.... to shove it up your ***?
you're just talking about what you would have done in Tony's place....

but you're not Tony so it's just your fantasy...in this case for me it's fine even though what you say doesn't make sense in the story

 

[aly237204]

In the story, he says that it is wear and tear on the couple that drives Tony to try to convince Anne to open the couple, I think that the idea of sharing his partner was already there since he met her and perhaps it is one of the reasons why He married her, surely he knew her past and knew that she would end up accepting the proposal, Tony's fetish was born as a result of the damage that Martin did to him in his adolescence where he witnessed his father having sex with the girls on several occasions. his girlfriends

so you're telling me that Tony has mental problems and helplessness towards his father, so he creates all this, to continue to be submissive, which clashes with the title of the game and the prologue. someone has to decide if Tony is sick, or if Anna is a nymphomaniac slut, what is certain is that a marriage does not save him like this, it is that they are not a couple, but two bodies in themselves. if you talk about sharing, and she even omits some fucks, not to mention the orgy on the beach, real dirty shit behind tony's back, how dare you tell me, which is part of the couple agreement, etc. Anna's 40% shares are strictly selfish.

a baseball bat for what.... to shove it up your ***?
you're just talking about what you would have done in Tony's place....

but you're not Tony so it's just your fantasy...in this case for me it's fine even though what you say doesn't make sense in the story

in history it is not good, because the dynamics of the game is that and it is clear, Anna slutty and selfish, Tony succubus, jerk and passive. and there is no marriage to save, but only a couple to hospitalize.

 

[88stanford88]

someone has to decide if Tony is sick, or if Anna is a nymphomaniac slut,

they are married for 5+ years
Tony and Anne was faithful for more than 7 years
Tony is not sick
Anne is not a nymphomaniac
everything you write is a judgment because you played 180 days without understanding anything about it

Relationships with time change, they by mutual agreement chose how to change their sex life that had become unsatisfactory for both of them

 

[Leongen43]

He thinks a little why he would allow his father to visit him after all the damage he did to him, he knew that they were going to end up doing it at some point, a part of him is upset that it happened but another part of him wanted it to happen, but because forgives Anne when in similar circumstances he had ended up with Emma

 

[aly237204]

they are married for 5+ years
Tony and Anne was faithful for more than 7 years
Tony is not sick
Anne is not a nymphomaniac
everything you write is a judgment because you played 180 days without understanding anything about it

Relationships with time change, they by mutual agreement chose how to change their sex life that had become unsatisfactory for both of them

so according to the story and your thoughts, marriages are timed because of sex, it means that every few years, you have to fuck with others because you've finished running in with the previous one, it's a leasing therefore a marriage, so I wonder, why get married, they didn't even want children, they could live together, it's not just because you were faithful for seven years, then you have a good behavior bonus like prison, every 7 years of fidelity, you have one of absolute freedom, well, as a clause would go also good.

 

[88stanford88]

He thinks a little why he would allow his father to visit him after all the damage he did to him, he knew that they were going to end up doing it at some point, a part of him is upset that it happened but another part of him wanted it to happen, but because forgives Anne when in similar circumstances he had ended up with Emma

yes this was Tony choice
The story is this
that is why i always suggest to do not identify your self with the MC ---
especially if you have never experienced such a relationship.

that guy would never have married Anne... because he refused to marry

This game has a specific audience and it is not for him...complaining is useless story is how it was written and it is about Tony's family and his Wife

 

[aly237204]

He thinks a little why he would allow his father to visit him after all the damage he did to him, he knew that they were going to end up doing it at some point, a part of him is upset that it happened but another part of him wanted it to happen, but because forgives Anne when in similar circumstances he had ended up with Emma

Martin commands everything, he took Tony's first girlfriend, now he wants Anna, and Anna, who is a very good wife, but smarter than Emma, keeps Tony's asshole as a spare wheel and cook, but enjoys all the various dicks, getting higher and higher, and why not, start a relationship with Martin, taking advantage of the money and the bigger dick, call her stupid anna,

 

[88stanford88]

Martin commands everything, he took Tony's first girlfriend, now he wants Anna, and Anna, who is a very good wife, but smarter than Emma, keeps Tony's asshole as a spare wheel and cook, but enjoys all the various dicks, getting higher and higher, and why not, start a relationship with Martin, taking advantage of the money and the bigger dick, call her stupid anna,

you are wrong!
I stop here and i will ignore you for a day or two

so go head with your nonsensical opinion!

 

[aly237204]

yes this was Tony choice
The story is this
that is why i always suggest to do not identify your self with the MC ---
especially if you have never experienced such a relationship.

he would never have married Anne

This game has a specific audience and it is not for him...complaining is useless story is how it was written and it is about Tony's family and his Wife

in a nutshell, you can't fault the game and the story for disturbing some, who think it's oscar worthy, but you can be judged or advised not to play it because i'm incapable of understanding it or not living in an open relationship, so not having an open relationship i ignore what i am reading or playing, since i have been in tibet for 20 years, i must have missed something about being faithful or not. meh

 

[Leongen43]

I had an open relationship in the past and it was a disaster, that's why I never recommend it, and over time you lose all interest in your partner, today I'm married and with my wife we are swingers but with many restrictions so as not to repeat the past

Emma was not Tony's first girlfriend but the last one before meeting Anne, plus Martin is just sexual satisfaction for Anne, she has no feelings of love for him and she makes it very clear, with the only one that she hesitates in with Trevor with him. he has sex so he can go on vacation

 

[88stanford88]

Anne first was a slut in school then became faithful and marry Tony , now, at the beginning of the story she is reluctant then after accepting the plan she becomes slut again
... but nothing is forever in life....
Maria Magdalene was also a slut then she met Jesus and stopped being a slut. (maybe )

there are so many possible developments in a masterpiece like this...
can't wait to see the next episodes!

I had an open relationship in the past and it was a disaster

in my experience was fine and I'm stiil in contact with her... and my wife knows her too
there was another faithful story that was a disaster not because of sex but because we had different visions of life

not all stories are the same and fortunately not all men and women are the same

Let's continue to enjoy this fantastic story....

PS: I suggest you don't suggest!
But then to whom would you suggest an open relationship?
these things are private events-- that can't be recommended....
I don't recommend anyone to have a monogamous or open relationship because it depends solely on the protagonists

... what I suggest is to take everything from life to avoid having regrets

 

[Leongen43]

So you know the person I'm married to is the one I had an open relationship with, after a year of being apart we got back together and the love was still there we just had to be more responsible for our actions, 6 years of marriage passed until that we tried again but as a swinger couple with rules of what is allowed and not