The discussion seems to be stuck on the meaning of point of view and perspective. Typically, most stories (including this one) have a single point of view — the story is seen through the eyes of one person. However, we are able to see many perspectives throughout any given story. TAC is a first-person subjective story. We see and hear the thoughts of the MC and experience the story with the MC. The player's choices directly affect the story and the perspective of each event (how each event is perceived by each character).
The beauty of storytelling is that we do not have to write a story with a third-person omniscient perspective to understand what each character thinks or feels. Understanding each characters' experience is done through perspective.
Incidentally, if we are going to trust Anne, she does say that she does these things FOR her husband...to make him happy, during the boat scene with Troy.
The beauty of storytelling is that we do not have to write a story with a third-person omniscient perspective to understand what each character thinks or feels. Understanding each characters' experience is done through perspective.
There are many clues to Anne's perspective. The primary means are through her actions and direct communication. From the beginning, we see a minor resistance to her husband's suggestions to a complete acceptance and acceptance of what makes her sexually fulfilled. She engages in extreme sexual behavior without input from her husband, without conveying her actions to her husband, and without complaint or behavior alterations indicating dislike or disagreement. Those actions speak volumes of her point of view and her perspective on the activities. Another means of ascertaining perspective is the relationship points. This is a direct means of viewing Anne's opinion of events and her husband. The ONLY time we see disgust for anything from Anne's perspective is when she gets angry with her husband for stopping her behavior.
Incidentally, if we are going to trust Anne, she does say that she does these things FOR her husband...to make him happy, during the boat scene with Troy.
Conflict in readers can occur when the perspective of a player is violated through poor storytelling. One advantage of visual novels is a story that has multiple choices and endings. As, Segnbora explained, using a single render and multiple perspectives, an effective storyteller is able to write a completely different narrative, show a completely different take on a scene, all by changing the perspective. There are limits to how far a writer can alter perspective. Sudden unexplained changes in behavior or doing something "out of character" causes the reader to question the created reality. Bending it too much can literally break the reader's ability to understand, believe in, or tolerate a story.
Those shifts in perspective break the flow of what Anne's character as a woman deeply in love with her husband and wanting to share an adventure would do. Her character has been stretched (Ugh, the pun) beyond what the story is able to keep up with. Too much, too fast, and with varying emotions. Readers are sophisticated but have limits on what they can accept as probable, likable, and desirable.
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I want to point out an interesting difference in my thinking. There are some that agree — the husband is a douchebag that deserves what he gets. And still, others agree that the wife is out of control and can no longer tolerate her in the story. (There are even more people who are completely fine with the whole thing!)
I do not see corruption being an aspect of this story whatsoever. Anne's behavior was extreme when she was in college sharing boyfriends with Nicole. She met the MC, fell in love, got married...and here we are. Now they want to spice up the bedroom life with his fantasy becoming a reality. This is how that conversation goes:
MC "You know how we had talked about spicing up our sex life?"
Anne "Yeah!"
MC "Well, today I was doing some searching on the internet about this and found a very interesting site"
Anne "Ok! go on."
MC "It's like it was made specifically for us, it's for couples who want to spice things up and be a little more adventurous"
MC "Once a week they email out activities for the couples to try"
Anne "Sounds interesting, what kind of activities are we talking about?"
MC "They didn't list what the activities were but when looking through the forum on their site, some of the other members wrote in comments about what they had done"
MC "A few people mentioned doing Pizza delivery dares where the wife opens the door with little to no clothing"
Anne "Hmmm, you know I like to show off a little so...I may be interested, how do we join this group?"
MC "I can sign us up if you want?"
Anne "Ok let's give it a try. It doesn't sound that bad and might be a lot of fun."
Where is the corruption? MC presents Anne with an opportunity to spice up their love life, as they had previously discussed, and she takes him up on it. Corruption in the decaying behavior of Anne? Sure, but that is a completely different thing.
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It's still corruption, and that's exactly what I'm talking about. Both main characters quickly grow addicted to the sex, to the adrenaline rush. The husband is increasingly addicted to Anne whoring herself out; Anne is increasingly addicted to sex with other people, and eventually addicted to using it as a way to control her husband. They have both, quite literally, been corrupted. Corruption isn't just about turning an innocent into a slut. Corruption is also about nursing a tiny flame into an all-consuming conflagration. Both parties are, by now, consumed by something neither of them can completely control.
Corruption is a massive part of this narrative.
Your choices will determine whether the MC has a good relationship with his wife, and in the beginning, your choices determine whether or not Anne will choose three main lovers. After that, choices are really limited to who the MC sleeps with and how present he is when Anne sleeps with others.
It is my opinion that the routes are limited to cuck, cheating with MC knowledge, and cheating without MC knowledge. As an add-on, MC faithful or unfaithful route.
But seriously, play the game and see what you think!
Corruption is the methodical process of making a good person do bad things (dumbed down to simple words). Taking someone who would never do something, like an innocent housewife or young girl, and making her do increasingly naughty things to nurse the flame of desire and make her want to do it on her own.
This game is more like: MC says we should join, Anne says absolutely. Then Anne fucks everyone. There is no nursing. He doesn't have to keep prodding or training or encouraging. Anne was never innocent, to begin with.
Sure, the potential to write this as a corruption story exists. But that is not what this writer has demonstrated. (You should write it!
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I tend to agree that one way or another Anne is giving her husband what he wanted. If he wants to swing, they swing. If he indicates he is into being cuckolded she cucks him as hard as she can. If he just wants to be a voyeur she gives him something to look at. Corruption isn't really an issue since she always has been a wild child yet was relatively content with their committed monogamous relationship. But it is clear that he wasn't, and even in the most depraved corners of her unhappy run she wants to keep him and please him. I think this may cause cognitive dissonance in many players since we are nor privy to her thoughts and just have to guess why it is that she escalates things so quickly, or makes odd decisions like lying about being tired on the vacation so she can stalk him while he is playing pool. Does she not care or does she care too much? Does she distrust her husband because at the end of the day she knows that she is untrustworthy? What does she want out of their marriage? We might never know and at the end of the game she will probably pack her bags and walk out the door having never revealed any of this.
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Absolutely, but adding one footnote: there is a "forced" element to the choices, in that you can't actually proceed through the game without being, in some sense, supportive of Anne having sex with other people. There are a number of ways the game can end early, and the easiest is to get things started and then try to pump the brakes. Even if you don't try to stop her, being sour about it will make your relationship difficult, at best.
It's broader than that. For example, the well-known saying "power corrupts" (and its usual coda) has nothing to do with innocence or a path towards depravity. That sort of corruption is about pursuing something until it overtakes one's life.
That's the type of corruption at work here. Our titular couple pursued non-monogamy to spice up their marriage and now they can't stop. (Literally; trying to stop ends the relationship.)
I think you're forgetting the early game. Anne is very reluctant to do anything with others, and is only willing to take baby steps until Punta Cana.
No, but this isn't something we learn until quite a while later. We knew she had a thing with Nicole, but that she'd been wild isn't something we learn until Marcus shows up on the beach, which is pretty far into the game. From the player's perspective, Anne's been pushed into an unfamiliar lifestyle by her husband until that particular revelation.
Oh, believe me: the number of times I've wished I could completely transform this particular story...(You should write it!
I've always believed that this is "supposed" to end in divorce, and though I doubt that ending will be forced on players, it's very difficult to see how this is, in any sense, healthy and ethical non-monogamy.
But it's absolutely true that a lack of insight into what Anne's really feeling...what she wants, why she's still married to this man-child...makes it too easy for players to make all sorts of assumptions that aren't necessarily supported by the text. I think the idea that Anne's having the best possible time because hubby allows it, and the contrary notion that she's being awful to her husband because she doesn't love or respect him anymore, and the corollary perspective that Anne's punishing her husband for his own unrevealed infidelities, and the common belief that Anne's simply out of control and acting mindlessly, are all equally possible, because the author hasn't bothered to tell us. If he even knows...which I don't think he does, because I don't think it's a question he's asked of his story or his characters.
Whether Anne is on board or if you have to do some coaxing is all a matter of your first few choices in-game.
In my main playthrough and in the run I did yesterday, the prologue illustrates Anne having a threesome with a guy and Nicole. The narration covers how wild she is. Then, once the game begins, we learn that the MC and Anne have discussed spicing up their love life. MC mentions how he wants to move it from fantasy to reality and finds the website.
>Do some research
>Ask how her day was
Anne and the MC have dinner where they have the conversation I posted in previous posts. During dinner, MC and Anne will discuss the email club. Anne is completely supportive of signing up and exploring the wild side. It takes no pressure or cajoling. Then you tell her about the email assignment.Shopping/Dinner/Pizza Guy (X2) and Kenny
Anne will go shopping and dress in front of strangers. She will "turn to give [the stranger] a good view of her body."
She will say how much she enjoyed flashing the older and younger guys.
Anne will flash the salesman on her own.
Stranger at dinner.
Trip with Kenny and masturbates calling out his name.
She is excited about flashing the pizza guy.
They talk about doing more with Kenny and she tells the MC that she is happy he does not pressure her.
RyanAnne allows Ryan access to touch her ass.
Mostly naked massage
Let's him grope her every time MC leaves the room.
She wants to touch him but didn't because MC came back.
Ryan goes down on her. She wants to suck him but doesn't.
Vacation - from here it is all downhill — FAST!Anne acts on her own throughout the vacation.
**If you tell her "no" from here on out, it is game over or impactful loss of relationship points.**
Sex with Cornell.
Disappointing sex with a bald guy.
Bartender blowjob.
Lots of playing with the waiter.
Threesome with her future lovers.
Guy on plane.
Etc.
Then, once they return and without any coaxing, choices regarding Anne are all but superficial from here on. Anne engages in the biggest sex romp in porn — none of which require choices from the user other than to engage or not engage.
There are a few times when you see Anne's direct point of view (when she recounts the events to the MC, masturbating after the swinging event to name a couple.)
In this playthrough, the MC does not push, force, or continuously ask. He is simply (and frustratingly) along for the ride. The key is those first decisions: Ask about her day > Dinner > then tell her about emails. If you alter those choices, then you have to spend some time convincing her (although, again, not much). It is also of note that while on one of his home lunch visits the MC mentions worrying that Anne might cheat on him even though you have supposedly shut off the cheating path.
And the corruption...
Yes, I see that. Quite emphatically if you follow this playthrough.
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I have absolutely no idea what game you're playing. Has Mircom3D completely rewritten the intro? You're forcing me to re-download the game to play the beginning. In the gama I played, Anne said no, or not yet, or too fast to almost everything until the vacation.
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Haha some things never change. You can always expect a philosophical debate about a fun but imperfect game in here.
still love it to death.
still love it to death.
We get a deep dive like that every few months
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Anne is the perfect wife. She takes care of her husband in every way.
Especially after their vacation, where she shed her inhibitions completely!
Especially after their vacation, where she shed her inhibitions completely!
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You have me curious. What are you choosing to get the reluctant route? Maybe I am missing that piece.
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I think what they are saying is that in the early chapters it doesn't matter what you pick because the husband is the one mashing his foot on the accelerator while Anne is the one pumping the brakes. But that doesn't endure past their first vacation. After that, it is set in neutral all downhill with no brakes.
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Exactly this.
After Punta Cana, it's full speed ahead. Before that, Anne has to be pushed really, really hard. Which her idiot husband does, because he only cares about his fetish.
i think it's important to characters (male or female doesn't matter) have some kind of inhibitions/moral blockers - taboos/doubts. especially in that kind of themes, that's our anchor to reality and immerse to some renders and couples of sentences. dont get me wrong, not like constant denials and "no, don'ts" all the way along in japonese ntr games.
and i think that so much exciting that way, than they goes like a stranger out of nowhere fuck the shit up anne and thats normal like a regular coffee in the morning. maybe im am the weird one but get serious with that love-relations and marriage will you?
we need conflicts, temptations and no-goes (at least some context to let it happen) man! but anne and hubby okay with good looking smart bulls to ugly/fat/old or some idiots. i mean, for example of idiots, what's up with that band members? that kind of excitement works with virgin boys but grown ass musicians? c'mon. maybe some more deviant shit might spice it up but they goes like "look guys a pussy omg!". and 3 of them too...
i can understand people want it and i like extremes too, like ugly mans and so on. but at least some build up needs sometimes; like that old neighbor got at least some time with morning jogs etc.
in the end, i like the game and love anne's model also so many things about the game too. but sometimes game just got out of control and scatter around.
i wish all good for dev and get it together, so can bring us that greater times of this good story. you were better than this man. lastly, im not a native english speaker so apologies from everybody who read this blubber.
and i think that so much exciting that way, than they goes like a stranger out of nowhere fuck the shit up anne and thats normal like a regular coffee in the morning. maybe im am the weird one but get serious with that love-relations and marriage will you?
we need conflicts, temptations and no-goes (at least some context to let it happen) man! but anne and hubby okay with good looking smart bulls to ugly/fat/old or some idiots. i mean, for example of idiots, what's up with that band members? that kind of excitement works with virgin boys but grown ass musicians? c'mon. maybe some more deviant shit might spice it up but they goes like "look guys a pussy omg!". and 3 of them too...
i can understand people want it and i like extremes too, like ugly mans and so on. but at least some build up needs sometimes; like that old neighbor got at least some time with morning jogs etc.
in the end, i like the game and love anne's model also so many things about the game too. but sometimes game just got out of control and scatter around.
i wish all good for dev and get it together, so can bring us that greater times of this good story. you were better than this man. lastly, im not a native english speaker so apologies from everybody who read this blubber.