VN Ren'Py The Art of Diplomacy and... Love [v0.15] [DS23Games]

[sadfuck]

Not really enough here yet for a full review, but I will leave some notes here.

I completed everything in about 2 hours and didn't often go back to see other routes or explore other choices.

Positives
+ LI's are really cute and many have cute little bushes. They all have distinct personalities and I think it will be fun getting to slam know them.
+ Setup is actually pretty cool since you don't instantly get the sweet life of stepping into a noble's shoes and then it's off to the races with no consequences for anything.
+ While I don't think there are any scenes in here yet, I'm curious to see how the content with other guys is handled. I'm hoping for sharing/swinging (and as such, trying to make choices that will make the girls deviants), but we shall see where this lands. I would definitely like to see there be sharing/swinging since some of us like to see our LIs with other dudes, but don't like the hard NTR or demeaning aspect.
+ In-game hint system and gallery system. I think both are pretty decent for what they are and it's always nice to see either implemented by the dev themselves.

Neutral
= I'm very iffy about offering this level of granular choice since it means a lot to keep track off on the dev planning side to say nothing of the fact that it can cause situations where certain updates literally bring no new content for some players if they aren't on certain routes. Only time will tell, but I've seen the situation described and, I'm sure we've all seen games just get abandoned and, lack of fans/funding aside, I'll bet maintaining this level of choice is also a contributing factor if/when it gets too unwieldy and interest is waning.

Negatives
- Related to the above, but there's all these weird stats that I can't imagine offering anything fun. The deviant/prude, dominant/submissive ones make sense, but everything else seems like it will be a chore to keep track of. assuming it ever gets meaningful implementation to begin with. Happy to be proven wrong here, but I'm looking at this aspect with a side eye.

So, if you like medieval fantasy and the LI's look good to you and don't mind that there's more setup here than sweaty banging, I say jump in.

Dev, best of luck and I hope you take some of the above into consideration!

 

[Badboll]

Just like in life, if you are a jerk to the girls, they do nothing for you. Be nice and acquire affection points. .14 is the first time I have looked at this, and I thought it was nicely done. The plates were nicely put together, and the dialog was good. It could do with some animation, but overall, I give it a 7of10. Keep going!

well I have affection points with everyone and I didn't get anything other than Neela in the basement after beastman rescue mission. So it's not because of that. It's other hidden stats.

 

[gregers]

well I have affection points with everyone and I didn't get anything other than Neela in the basement after beastman rescue mission. So it's not because of that. It's other hidden stats.

To repeat:

Yeah, if you load a save from the end of the previous update you won't be able to access the rest of the new content.

You need a new game to see the rest.

 

[ChubbyFatBoy]

WELP! and just like that.

Spoiler: Seems I already found my favorite.

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[Badboll]

To repeat:


You need a new game to see the rest.

It said v.012 though, ny save is from v013 I guess I have to replay the whole game then at some point. Stuff like that especially in games that have free roam suck balls

 

[kira3895]

Does this game have NTR scenes? I don't see it on the tag listing

 

[Filipis]

Both. You can go for the harem and decide to have the MC share the LI's (mainly for situations, where you get something out of it and the MC's libertine stat is high enough), but also lose them to certain NTR antagonist characters. That will, of course, only happen if NTR is turned on and even then, you REALLY have to screw up with one of the LI's, for it to happen. And like I mentioned before, it's basically intended as a game over for that particular LI route. That LI will turn into a side-character after that. There will be no netorase-ish deal, where the MC will spy on that LI and her new lover getting it on. It'll purely be "Well, I fucked up" and then it's time to move on.

Then this isn't NTR - it's just closing a path with an LI.

If you can't see or witness them getting it on with other men while pretending to be "yours", then it's not NTR. Remove the tag, ffs.

 

[Marvoch]

I really really liked the story of the resourceful rogue who sneaks into medieval high society thanks to a stroke of luck, chasing a better life, and who therefore has resources that others in his position don’t. I think it’s a brilliant idea full of potential, and so far castle life is pretty well written and portrayed—it truly gives that feeling of a living, functional microcosm. The only thing that made me roll my eyes a bit is the ser being part of the castle’s militia instead of there being a body of knights directly under the count’s service, and some locations in the castle that feel more 18th–19th century than medieval. But for that, I imagine one just has to make do with the DAZ assets available. I’ll follow the story’s development with great interest, because so far it has kept me glued to the screen.

If I have to raise a criticism of the game, it’s that the author really needs to revise their comma usage, since they abuse it constantly throughout the whole game, and that the sex scenes are honestly rather bland—both in buildup (you do a nice thing for an LI and then later suddenly decide whether or not to accept her proposal, with the MC being reduced to absolute passivity), and in execution, with very monotonous and usually short scenes. They didn’t leave any impression on me. This should be a major drawback for an AVN, but honestly I hope it will improve over time, and for now the story more than makes up for this weak point, imo.

I’d also add that, in terms of personality and design, the LIs are absolutely above average and I really enjoyed them, so the potential here is high as well—it just needs some fine-tuning.

 

[DS23G]

I really really liked the story of the resourceful rogue who sneaks into medieval high society thanks to a stroke of luck, chasing a better life, and who therefore has resources that others in his position don’t. I think it’s a brilliant idea full of potential, and so far castle life is pretty well written and portrayed—it truly gives that feeling of a living, functional microcosm. The only thing that made me roll my eyes a bit is the ser being part of the castle’s militia instead of there being a body of knights directly under the count’s service, and some locations in the castle that feel more 18th–19th century than medieval. But for that, I imagine one just has to make do with the DAZ assets available. I’ll follow the story’s development with great interest, because so far it has kept me glued to the screen.

If I have to raise a criticism of the game, it’s that the author really needs to revise their comma usage, since they abuse it constantly throughout the whole game, and that the sex scenes are honestly rather bland—both in buildup (you do a nice thing for an LI and then later suddenly decide whether or not to accept her proposal, with the MC being reduced to absolute passivity), and in execution, which very monotonous and usually short scenes. They didn’t leave any impression on me. This should be a major drawback for an AVN, but honestly I hope it will improve over time, and for now the story more than makes up for this weak point, imo.

I’d also add that, in terms of personality and design, the LIs are absolutely above average and I really enjoyed them, so the potential here is high as well—it just needs some fine-tuning.

First of, thanks for the feedback. To get back to some poins here:

- Yes, the aesthetics aren't consistently (late) medieval, but this is a fantasy world, so I'm not really chained to the idea of historic authenticity. Hence why there may be late medieval, renaissance and even baroque elements all existing next to each other, as long as I feel that it's aesthetically coherent. But yeah, DAZ asset availability also plays a role here.

- About the comma usage: Yeah, it's a weird and bad quirk of mine and sometimes I catch myself overdoing it, while sometimes completely missing it, even on a second or third read. If I ever make that kind of money, paying a proof reader to go over the entire script would be a no-brainer.

- The sex scenes: Fair points here. As for the mostly reactive nature right now, this will change soon. The first few days of the story have been the MC familiarizing himself with his new surroundings, while trying to not raise any suspicion. So, considering that, it made sense to have him be more cautious and reactive (then again, you could argue, that he was already getting less and less cautious, at least if you chose to have him get involved with the servant girls, despite Marten's advice against it). Soon, he can be more proactive, if the player decides to do so.
As for the sex scenes themselves. Yeah, I have heard that criticism from other people. I'll try to improve on that, but honestly, I'm working with limited ressources (aka doing this next to my regular job and working on old hardware), so I have to weight the size of sex scenes vs. the size of everything else (plot, worldbuilding, characterization, etc.). It is, what it is.

EDIT: Initially, the last 3rd of this post got somehow cut off.

 

[Filipis]

First of, thanks for the feedback. To get back to some poins here:

- Yes, the aesthetics aren't consistently (late) medieval, but this is a fantasy world, so I'm not really chained to the idea of historic authenticity. Hence why there may be late medieval, renaissance and even baroque elements all existing next to each other, as long as I feel that it's aesthetically coherent. But yeah, DAZ asset availability also plays a role here.

- About the comma usage: Yeah, it's a weird and bad quirk of mine and sometimes I catch myself overdoing it, while sometimes completely missing it, even on a second or third read. If I ever make that kind of money, paying a proof reader to go over the entire script would be a no-brainer.

- The sex scenes: Fair points here. As for the mostly reactive nature right now, this will change soon. The first few days of the story have been the MC familiarizing himself with his new surroundings, while trying to not raise any suspicion. So, considering that, it made sense to have him be more cautious and reactive (then again, you could argue, that he was already getting less and less cautious, at least if you chose to have him get involved with the servant girls, despite Marten's advice against it). Soon, he can be more proactive, if the player decides to do so.
As for the sex scenes themselves. Yeah, I have heard that criticism from other people. I'll try to improve on that, but honestly, I'm working with limited ressources (aka doing this next to my regular job and working on old hardware), so I have to weight the size of sex scenes vs. the size of everything else (plot, worldbuilding, characterization, etc.). It is, what it is.

EDIT: Initially, the last 3rd of this post got somehow cut off.

Remove the NTR tag, since no actual NTR is planned.

 

[Raferu]

Remove the NTR tag, since no actual NTR is planned.

I guarantee that people will complain about this game needing the NTR tag once it's been removed. There's always that bunch that considers a girl they're not pursuing having sex with anyone else as NTR, as funny as that sounds.

 

[Filipis]

I guarantee that people will complain about this game needing the NTR tag once it's been removed. There's always that bunch that considers a girl they're not pursuing having sex with anyone else as NTR, as funny as that sounds.

I believe the dev said the women we don’t pursue will be essentially removed from the story. There’s nothing to scream NTR about, and trying to appease the loudest of haters is a pointless endeavor anyway.

 

[Raferu]

I believe the dev said the women we don’t pursue will be essentially removed from the story. There’s nothing to scream NTR about, and trying to appease the loudest of haters is a pointless endeavor anyway.

Don't get me wrong. I agree with the NTR tag being unnecessary for that. What 'm saying is, there will always be someone complaining about the tag.

 

[J0K3RXXX]

It looks promising.

 

[Alextsai]

i really hope there is NO NTR , and lets keep it that way

 

[youraccount69]

TheArtOfDiplomacyAndLove-0.15

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[BuccaneerPwg]

Weird.

The summary puts me in mind of a Danny Kaye film -

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[Godeatingyggdreisl]

pls make path where neela start being submissive to janus and becomes his woman after losing on purpose in match

 

[a1053105491]

compressed please

 

[KiraJames]

i really hope there is NO NTR , and lets keep it that way

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