Féanorian

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People saying that John is an asshole they hate without ever realizing that John is just a reflection of the PC that goes around drugging people. Just for information sake this isn't the end of the John updates. Next up is turning John into Chanel and then turning John into a friend/romance option. Ava and Dakota updates start in July and end in August (presumably).

Personnally i really liked the new update and it is the best one of the Dom John path. And no i'm not into sissy or being submissive. It's like watching a porn and having the ability to control what happens.

The only serious downside for me is the constant trans in your face which happens throughout the game and is unavoidable. Like the Chanel cheat there should be a cheat to turn Tasha into a female from the start but Westane is incredibly biased in that regard.
 

aa14

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Well, for us subs this was a fantastic update. I feel for those who don't like this new content but it's what I play the game for. :) Seeing John finally put his plan into serious action was fun to behold.
 

gregers

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People saying that John is an asshole they hate without ever realizing that John is just a reflection of the PC that goes around drugging people. Just for information sake this isn't the end of the John updates. Next up is turning John into Chanel and then turning John into a friend/romance option. Ava and Dakota updates start in July and end in August (presumably).

Personnally i really liked the new update and it is the best one of the Dom John path. And no i'm not into sissy or being submissive. It's like watching a porn and having the ability to control what happens.

The only serious downside for me is the constant trans in your face which happens throughout the game and is unavoidable. Like the Chanel cheat there should be a cheat to turn Tasha into a female from the start but Westane is incredibly biased in that regard.
Making a game featuring the content they're interested in hardly constitutes an incredible bias, even if the content is not to your individual tastes. Here's a simple walkthrough for avoiding Tasha's trans content: Avoid Tasha.

As a sidenote, Tasha was a cis woman in the very first iterations of the game until Westane decided a trans would make for more interesting variety, hence the slight disconnect currently of having a character represented by a cis woman model cross cut with trans woman sex scenes. I don't remember if they've ever discussed wanting to replace Tasha Reign with some other model for Tasha.
 

balara

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What's the difference between image pack and image pack update - do I DL them both or just one?
The base pack is for new downloaders or who dont have previous version...and they need to download only update....else need to download both and just copy files from update package to base package...
 

kaorok

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What's really tragic is that after all these updates for John, he's still the most boring character in the game (aside from Chris). The problem with character-focused updates for this game is that this game allegedly has chapters, and after more than a year of updates we still haven't made much progress in completing the current chapter.

The other problem with continual character-focused updates is that an update on the characters that are affected John might break John's story. I mean, maybe in two years when we finally get an update on a character who isn't John, that might cause problems.
 
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lnppo

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What's really tragic is that after all these updates for John, he's still the most boring character in the game (aside from Chris). The problem with character-focused updates for this game is that this game allegedly has chapters, and after more than a year of updates we still haven't made much progress in completing the current chapter.

The other problem with continual character-focused updates is that an update on the characters that are affected John might break John's story. I mean, maybe in two years when we finally get an update on a character who isn't John, that might cause problems.
At its heart it's a porn game. Yes, a main story is good to have so we're not just aimlessly going to and from work (like real life) but since this is a sandbox game the characters all need to have compelling content besides just what the main story allows.

Personally, since John is a male character and his content seems mostly based around cuckolding and humiliating the MC I have less than 0 interest in him and just always use the Chanel cheat every time I play the game but since he's been the focus of all the updates for the last year or so the game is essentially dead to me until Westane starts adding content that isn't cuckolding/male-focused.
At this point I wouldn't be surprised if we didn't have a substantial non-John update until 2021.
 

Trapquest

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Just for information sake this isn't the end of the John updates. Next up is turning John into Chanel and then turning John into a friend/romance option.
Well, been a lot of conflicting info being released out into the public then, maybe I was mistaken when I thought it was one of the dev team posting here basically saying the opposite of that.

People saying that John is an asshole they hate without ever realizing that John is just a reflection of the PC that goes around drugging people.
I disagree, I'll agree that both the MC and John are both assholes, but distinctly different kinds of assholes. The MC is a manipulative borderline sociopath who treats people like toys, but on the whole when interacting with is more or less pleasant and sociable. This is not uncommon, funny enough, for protagonists in video games, particularly dominant themed porn games, but having protagonists act completely spastic and out line, ruining "people" or NPCs lives, will, or self-determined character is pretty common, because ultimately a game is about exploring fun hypotheticals you can't explore in real life, which sometimes involve murdering innocent people because they ragdoll in a funny way, or just pushing people off of a high ledge because it's inherently satisfying.

John is just an asshole who sexually harasses and molests people (namely the PC), with the justification essentially being an asshole dom fetish, which is fine, but will obviously rub a lot of people the wrong way, because he's not even a charming type of asshole. So to have him be essentially, the most fleshed out character with the most unique mechanics in the game so far, with more on the way, it can seem a bit annoying to some folks. /rant
 

tremere87

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So to everybody who is complaining about the heavy focus on John, it is literally in the road map of Westane that the upgrades would be concerning John so it shouldnt be a surprise. Well good news for you guys the coming upgrade will be about sub/friend John.
 
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It's weird, I'm not a fan of John's Dom Path, but I really dislike the John Sub Path (reminds me way too much of like every single awful fictionmania story I've ever read), and letting him be just doesn't feel right, not without some reason to. So I pretty much just cut out the bs and use the cheat code to start with Chanel then go from there.

Edit:
The news about the John Friend Path is a welcome one certainly.
 

Trapquest

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With forced tf on does the sissy tf still become permanent if you leave it too long without transforming back?
 

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John is just an asshole who sexually harasses and molests people (namely the PC), with the justification essentially being an asshole dom fetish, which is fine, but will obviously rub a lot of people the wrong way, because he's not even a charming type of asshole. So to have him be essentially, the most fleshed out character with the most unique mechanics in the game so far, with more on the way, it can seem a bit annoying to some folks. /rant
This is very much me. I do love me some sub content and I don't even mind the dom content with certain types of assholes. But John is everything I despise and I can't even find it fun in a fantasy way. So that a character like him gets the fun maledom content is sad for me, *but* not everything has to be made for me and those who get aroused by this have hit the jackpot with it. And I approve of really fleshing out those routes.

But I am actually interested in the friend route. The sub/Chanel content is fine, but I always found it weird that it is either that or the dom route. That there is going to be a "neutral" route is great news.
 

iamshaggy999

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What I have found odd is the fact that other than the MC, John is the only male character with any content. It wouldn't be that odd but it's a game where you can choose to be a woman, trans or a sissy so more than half of the transformation/personality variations lend themselves to the MC sleeping with a male but the only real option has been John who many agree is extremely unappealing. (Or transforming your "Landlady" and Tasha I guess?) Still I can't say I haven't enjoyed the game regardless.
 
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Engelstein

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Making a game featuring the content they're interested in hardly constitutes an incredible bias, even if the content is not to your individual tastes. Here's a simple walkthrough for avoiding Tasha's trans content: Avoid Tasha.

As a sidenote, Tasha was a cis woman in the very first iterations of the game until Westane decided a trans would make for more interesting variety, hence the slight disconnect currently of having a character represented by a cis woman model cross cut with trans woman sex scenes. I don't remember if they've ever discussed wanting to replace Tasha Reign with some other model for Tasha.
Westane has said that he wished he hadn't of jumped the gun with using Tasha Reigns and is wanting to replace her with Aubrey Kate. Who I made a image pack of for Tasha, it's on the discord if you'd like that.
 
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otmar

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can someone tell me how exactly to get to the diania training part? whom do i need to drug or whom shouldnt drug
 

B_023

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Does anyone have a save before Diana's training content? I don't wanna go through John for that.
 

kaorok

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So to everybody who is complaining about the heavy focus on John, it is literally in the road map of Westane that the upgrades would be concerning John so it shouldnt be a surprise. Well good news for you guys the coming upgrade will be about sub/friend John.
Wow, a year of John updates. Such a great, well designed road map.

This is very much me. I do love me some sub content and I don't even mind the dom content with certain types of assholes. But John is everything I despise and I can't even find it fun in a fantasy way. So that a character like him gets the fun maledom content is sad for me, *but* not everything has to be made for me and those who get aroused by this have hit the jackpot with it. And I approve of really fleshing out those routes.

But I am actually interested in the friend route. The sub/Chanel content is fine, but I always found it weird that it is either that or the dom route. That there is going to be a "neutral" route is great news.
Yeah, John is just basically the bad Hollywood stereotype of a high school bully, and his dom route doesn't flesh out his character in any way. You would think that after all these updates focusing on this aspect of him, you'd get more levels, but nope, he's basically still just the mean jock who wants to shove the MC into the locker, flush his head in the toilet, and steal his waifus. And once you meet the conditions for his dom John route, you're stuck in there, and you're doomed to a route of getting NTR'd.

What I have found odd is the fact that other than the MC, John is the only male character with any content. It wouldn't be that odd but it's a game where you can choose to be a woman, trans or a sissy so more than half of the transformation/personality variations lend themselves to the MC sleeping with a male but the only real option has been John who many agree is extremely unappealing. (Or transforming your "Landlady" and Tasha I guess?) Still I can't say I haven't enjoyed the game regardless.
Heck, the fact that you can't have consensual sex with John without turning him into a woman, and instead we get 30 updates giving John unique dom mechanics, just boggles my mind.
 
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