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Enlai didn't use Marin's helpful nature to get laid. From one to done it was basically just him being extremely inappropriate and whiny which Marin was not capable of handling as she should have. He used how naive she was to get the going and then started acting like a whiny baby. Even if he had manipulated her by taking advantage of her helpful nature, the manner in which he did it was by being extremely pathetic and whiny at all times. His behaviour amounts to that of a spoiled child and it doesn't make for a good or effective NTR villain in my mind.
Her naivety and her being helpful go hand and hand you forget it all started with her wanting to help him even tho others were against it, do you really think she would keep going back to clean his tent if she wasn't somewhat helpful?, if i remember right she literally gives him a handjob to "help" him with his erection cause he blamed her for it and begged for help with it. She was going back to to help him even before she fell for him you could say her naivety kept her there after he was clearly trying to get in her panties and i never said enlai was a good ntr villain, i just said what he is, its exactly as you say he acts like spoiled kid who nit picks and complains to get is way.... which just so happens to be one of the biggest weaknesses for characters that are like marin. If your looking for good ntr villains your not gonna find them on this game, every woman in this game has a critical weakness that gets taken advantage of which makes the villains have to do little work to get what they want.
 

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Her naivety and her being helpful go hand and hand you forget it all started with her wanting to help him even tho others were against it, do you really think she would keep going back to clean his tent if she wasn't somewhat helpful?, if i remember right she literally gives him a handjob to "help" him with his erection cause he blamed her for it and begged for help with it. She was going back to to help him even before she fell for him you could say her naivety kept her there after he was clearly trying to get in her panties and i never said enlai was a good ntr villain, i just said what he is, its exactly as you say he acts like spoiled kid who nit picks and complains to get is way.... which just so happens to be one of the biggest weaknesses for characters that are like marin. If your looking for good ntr villains your not gonna find them on this game, every woman in this game has a critical weakness that gets taken advantage of which makes the villains have to do little work to get what they want.
As far as I'm concerned with a decent gallery screen all games with good scenes end up good regardless of writing shortcomings. After all if a scene is hot you will get what you came for. It doesn't matter if the build was 2 hours or 30 minutes.
 

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I'm not asking for something vanilla, this is an NTR game after all. What I'm asking for is for someone who isn't, pardon my phrasing, such a beta cuck. Enlai is a loser. Even ignoring the fact that he's a physically repugnant man who lives in a rundown shack, Enlai is just an absolute fucking dweeb. His conquest of Marin amounts to just being extremely whiny and pushy. He didn't get into her panties with trickery or guile, he didn't do it by being imposing and strong... he did it by being a bitch baby with a giant dick. It's just hard to take him or Marin seriously when we've got other, better NTR antagonists in the game.
And that's what makes it hotter, dude... Enlai is pathetic, a loser and repugnant. Yet, he's got a big dick and "fucks good". It's the fact that he's worthless that makes the NTR hot. The fact that Marin surrendered her virginity to this hobbo just because he's got a big dick. The fact that her brain went "Big dick >>>>>>>>> good looking, well adjusted, loving and caring partner".

NTR when the one doing the cucking is objectively superior than the cuck in all ways is just bland slop. It hits good when the girls are being stolen by a worthless piece of shit that just has a big cock and is good at sex.
 

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And that's what makes it hotter, dude... Enlai is pathetic, a loser and repugnant. Yet, he's got a big dick and "fucks good". It's the fact that he's worthless that makes the NTR hot. The fact that Marin surrendered her virginity to this hobbo just because he's got a big dick. The fact that her brain went "Big dick >>>>>>>>> good looking, well adjusted, loving and caring partner".

NTR when the one doing the cucking is objectively superior than the cuck in all ways is just bland slop. It hits good when the girls are being stolen by a worthless piece of shit that just has a big cock and is good at sex.
It's kinda weird that something so simple can cause people confusion. It's like having to explain to people why movies need dialogue in addition to action.
 
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It's kinda weird that something so simple can cause people confusion. It's like having to explain to people why movies need dialogue in addition to action.
some people live their lives thinking that things they do not like are objectively bad. and spend their lives trying to debate their tastes as if they were objective measurable facts. when in fact they are opinions. it takes a level of maturity to simply say I don't like the fatfuck looser trope.

I for example like otokonoko but I do not like yaoi. otokonoko is not gay you hear me!!! :ROFLMAO:
 
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Her naivety and her being helpful go hand and hand you forget it all started with her wanting to help him even tho others were against it, do you really think she would keep going back to clean his tent if she wasn't somewhat helpful?, if i remember right she literally gives him a handjob to "help" him with his erection cause he blamed her for it and begged for help with it. She was going back to to help him even before she fell for him you could say her naivety kept her there after he was clearly trying to get in her panties and i never said enlai was a good ntr villain, i just said what he is, its exactly as you say he acts like spoiled kid who nit picks and complains to get is way.... which just so happens to be one of the biggest weaknesses for characters that are like marin. If your looking for good ntr villains your not gonna find them on this game, every woman in this game has a critical weakness that gets taken advantage of which makes the villains have to do little work to get what they want.
You're missing one important part in using it starting with her helping him... the context. Very early in their involvement with each other Enlai starts being extremely inappropriate basically all of the time and when Marin starts providing him with sexual favours she does so after being tempted by other things and she does it to satisfy her curiosity and to get him to stop pestering her. It was never actually about helping him, that was just the excuse she made to herself. And, as I have already said multiple times, regardless of how it started, it's not how it progressed. It progressed because he acted like a bitch baby. And no amount of excuses from you will change that.

The game has two major NTR villains that are effective in how they're used. Are they original and ground breaking? No. Do their do their job in ways that doesn't involve making their partner look like they have brain damage? No. Ryuu's dad is an effective NTR villain because he actually preyed upon Violet's insecurities and desires, and regularly engaged in tempting her by engaging in sex with his maid where she could see it and by essentially waggling his third leg in her face whenever he got the chance. As stupid as Yui's storyline may be, the bar owner is also an effective NTR villain because not only is Yui actually about to potentially enter a relationship with Ryuu under the bar owner's "guidance", but he also spent the entire game effectively using his position of authority over Yui to constantly put her into situations where she was tempted by sex.

If you don't think the villains in this are good then why the fuck are you arguing about it? You're wasting your own time.
 
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is there anyway to download older versions like 5.2 extra if missed someting i dont want to have to play it all again!
 

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You're missing one important part in using it starting with her helping him... the context. Very early in their involvement with each other Enlai starts being extremely inappropriate basically all of the time and when Marin starts providing him with sexual favours she does so after being tempted by other things and she does it to satisfy her curiosity and to get him to stop pestering her. It was never actually about helping him, that was just the excuse she made to herself. And, as I have already said multiple times, regardless of how it started, it's not how it progressed. It progressed because he acted like a bitch baby. And no amount of excuses from you will change that.

The game has two major NTR villains that are effective in how they're used. Are they original and ground breaking? No. Do their do their job in ways that doesn't involve making their partner look like they have brain damage? No. Ryuu's dad is an effective NTR villain because he actually preyed upon Violet's insecurities and desires, and regularly engaged in tempting her by engaging in sex with his maid where she could see it and by essentially waggling his third leg in her face whenever he got the chance. As stupid as Yui's storyline may be, the bar owner is also an effective NTR villain because not only is Yui actually about to potentially enter a relationship with Ryuu under the bar owner's "guidance", but he also spent the entire game effectively using his position of authority over Yui to constantly put her into situations where she was tempted by sex.

If you don't think the villains in this are good then why the fuck are you arguing about it? You're wasting your own time.
In the very beginning there was no context (im talking about how she got involved with enlai in the first place) she genuinely just wanted to help him she had no idea how enlai was only yui did, later on yes she realized and that's how she starts falling for his tricks with her curiosity, naivety, whatever words we want to use to explain it, also i never made any excuse for enlai if anything i agreed with you not sure what the argument was i think you just wanted to argue lol. Also not sure how dukall and the grandpa are good villains ( I was talking about them being good not effective ) they both just have sex in the background while the female lead watches if anything for dukall juvia was the mvp she got a lot of things going for him with yui and made yui make choices she wouldn't have otherwise made. Then the grandpa again really was just having sex with the maid with the wife around and occasionally flashed the wife walking in on her in the bath, bedroom, etc. She succumbed to her own desires with barely any direct input from the grandpa other than those flashing scenes but hey this is just my opinion if you dont agree with this thats fine with me, you got it, i dont got nothing left to talk about for this. Im more interested in seeing if enlai actually gets some action later in the game with yui since it was said routes are going to start intersecting in the patreon preview.
 
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In the very beginning there was no context (im talking about how she got involved with enlai in the first place) she genuinely just wanted to help him she had no idea how enlai was only yui did, later on yes she realized and that's how she starts falling for his tricks with her curiosity, naivety, whatever words we want to use to explain it, also i never made any excuse for enlai if anything i agreed with you not sure what the argument was i think you just wanted to argue lol. Also not sure how dukall and the grandpa are good villains ( I was talking about them being good not effective ) they both just have sex in the background while the female lead watches if anything for dukall juvia was the mvp she got a lot of things going for him with yui and made yui make choices she wouldn't have otherwise made. Then the grandpa again really was just having sex with the maid with the wife around and occasionally flashed the wife walking in on her in the bath, bedroom, etc. She succumbed to her own desires with barely any direct input from the grandpa other than those flashing scenes but hey this is just my opinion if you dont agree with this thats fine with me, you got it, i dont got nothing left to talk about for this. Im more interested in seeing if enlai actually gets some action later in the game with yui since it was said routes are going to start intersecting in the patreon preview.
EnlaixMarin is definitely the best NTR story line in this game. The other 2 are a lot more basic. It's not like Enlai is the 'ugly disguising bastard' and the rest are 'the hypnotist' or 'the strong dominating type' or 'the smart guy who tricks girls' or the 'black guy' or even the 'goblin' etc etc. They are just regular dudes by comparison.

It wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing in another game, but it's kinda weird that only 1 of the 3 main story lines here has a distinct kink associated with it and at least from what I can see(correct me if I am wrong I can't read everything) Marin is the most popular girl currently and a lot of people want to see Enlai go after one of the other girls as well.
 

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Does anyone have an old save file? I may be mistaken, but I remember pixel art scenes where Enlai masturbated in front of Marin and ejaculated on the floor and on her face. These scenes were only pixel art and took place before the first handjob. I don't know if anyone has a save file lying around.
There is a scene in the recollection room that sounds like what you mean. Third one if I recall correctly.

But its a problem I ran into as well.

Common problem actually in many of these rpgm games. You usually only get galleries for the scenes the author spent time on and has 2d content for it.

But I often find other situations more hot. Maybe just a runaway comment by a girl or some situation the author didn't think twice about.

Shame really you can't easily fast forward through scenes.

I'd love to get to that scene where Himari reopens her store with Kema having sex in the changing room upstairs and Yui and Marin blocking it so as not to embarrass the innocent hero. lol
 

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EnlaixMarin is definitely the best NTR story line in this game. The other 2 are a lot more basic. It's not like Enlai is the 'ugly disguising bastard' and the rest are 'the hypnotist' or 'the strong dominating type' or 'the smart guy who tricks girls' or the 'black guy' or even the 'goblin' etc etc. They are just regular dudes by comparison.

It wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing in another game, but it's kinda weird that only 1 of the 3 main story lines here has a distinct kink associated with it and at least from what I can see(correct me if I am wrong I can't read everything) Marin is the most popular girl currently and a lot of people want to see Enlai go after one of the other girls as well.
I will keep defending that Enlai should be the one to take Yui's virginity as well. It'd make sense for her to catch Marin getting fucked, then go confront Enlai, and end up just spreading her legs to him because she got too horny. It'd be way hotter than just Dukkal getting his plans to work, and would make an interesting plot twist to see Dukkal's reaction when he realizes Yui is no longer a virgin.

If not Enlai, then some random no-name npc, maybe a soldier. Yui should lose her virginity not by manipulation, but because she just got crazy horny and was already corrupted enough to throw her virginity away to any random who might want it.
 
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