VN Ren'Py The Cronos [v0.05] [TioCuba]

[Zetsuko]

Well that is the biggest appeal of the VN with a single MC. Taking the role of said MC and shaping the story. (As in any game with a role playing facet which often include character creation aswell to better emerse in your character. Fallout etc.)
It is the difference between reading a book / watching a movie or series about character.






As I said that would be objected to. That is information not wanted and if not given not existent (as in neither the MC nor the player knows that fact and therefore it might as well not had happened)

Since you are the only person who's not(for some reason) angrily thrashing at someone just speaking in a forum and being a buffoon...I will answer you and ignore the other angry, frail masculinity guy.

I get that, but the whole problem with what you said is, precisely, what you said; If you are not told about it, you will never know about it, and what does the MOST in any storybuilding in any place, are character relationships. I don't mean amorous ones, but you're acting like relationships could never exist before you existed in this game, and that is simply untrue and very pedantic for a game.
It's not the same if a character has an old friend she doesn't get along with for some reason, or if they were a couple a long time ago and now the girl refuses to talk to the guy for their breakup. Sometimes it's necessary to have storybuilding establish the world existed before you did, with all it's "implications", any work that does not do this, is bad in regards of any storybuilding it does.

Kratos's wife doesn't appear in the whole GoW game, but the whole game revolves around taking her ashes to the mountaintop. Yes, there are events in the way(Events, that different characters with different relationships create), and it's what makes the game so good story-wise.

 

[Zetsuko]

Ahh we have have the usual suspects ( and the dev) with their "its not exactly/not technically/not entirely NtR"

Always using the same excuse, I imagine this same scenario as some mentally challenged individual that just came out of a mental institution and starts throwing shit at people:

"You sicko you, whyd you throw human feces at me"
" AcKchYuallLy it is not human shit, it is cow manure, learn the difference "

Of course in that case at least they have an excuse on why they miss the point and are not doing it on purpose like the ones here.

What makes you wrong is the fact that it's not "It's technically not...", it's the fact that it LITERALLY is not.

Allow me to elaborate with your same example:

"You sicko you, whyd you throw human feces at me"
"Actually, it was that child standing next to me, and that's hot chocolate"

 

[fajiker145]

What makes you wrong is the fact that it's not "It's technically not...", it's the fact that it LITERALLY is not.

Allow me to elaborate with your same example:

"You sicko you, whyd you throw human feces at me"
"Actually, it was that child standing next to me, and that's hot chocolate"

Shit is still shit, I realized you just dont get it uh? I thought you were just being dense on purpose but you are just not very smart. Ntr doesnt matter, no one is calling it that, only you. It is the content itself people dislike, regardless of what you call it.

Even your rephrasing of my example misses the point entirely as the problem is the shit in the man's face, and nothing can change that it is shit, no matter what you call it or who throws it.
You cant just tell him not to be bothered by it as he wont like it regardless of what you say. Just like even if we all agree that the scene isn't ntr, doesnt mean I will dislike it any less.

 

[Raksha17]

I get that, but the whole problem with what you said is, precisely, what you said; If you are not told about it, you will never know about it, and what does the MOST in any storybuilding in any place, are character relationships. I don't mean amorous ones, but you're acting like relationships could never exist before you existed in this game, and that is simply untrue and very pedantic for a game.
It's not the same if a character has an old friend she doesn't get along with for some reason, or if they were a couple a long time ago and now the girl refuses to talk to the guy for their breakup. Sometimes it's necessary to have storybuilding establish the world existed before you did, with all it's "implications", any work that does not do this, is bad in regards of any storybuilding it does.

I would say there is a huge difference in telling that fact.
"That's an old Ex" vs "Here is how I used to fuck that guy/girl".
The first while you can infer sexual contact between the characters but leaves it to the player to actually interpret that to their version. The second one most people would not want to hear about.

I would liken it to the fact that everyone's parents probably have (or at least had) sex but most people would not want to know more about their parents sexlife. (Or a siblings relationship with their partner or the couple you're friends with.)

 

[pemoj]

Since you are the only person who's not(for some reason) angrily thrashing...

Because you are calling everyone "literal cucks" perhaps? Among other things... Dunno, just my personal opinion.

 

[Zetsuko]

Shit is still shit, I realized you just dont get it uh? I thought you were just being dense on purpose but you are just not very smart. Ntr doesnt matter, no one is calling it that, only you. It is the content itself people dislike, regardless of what you call it.

Even your rephrasing of my example misses the point entirely as the problem is the shit in the man's face, and nothing can change that it is shit, no matter what you call it or who throws it.
You cant just tell him not to be bothered by it as he wont like it regardless of what you say. Just like even if we all agree that the scene isn't ntr, doesnt mean I will dislike it any less.

What I'm commenting negatively on is the fact that commenters here seem to go around saying "What the hell is this DEV thinking adding this shit to the game? Is he insane? I don't trust this dev anymore, this goes on ignore list"(So much, that they keep commenting on the post)

And I get it perfectly, you don't like it period, the dev removed it, so what's the problem?

But the fool who made this comment I'm speaking about(And which is the comment I actually answered to), actually said, and I quote

Did the dev got shown a video gangbang of his wife or something and thinks that's normal? I can't get my head around why anyone would think of adding such scenes in a supposed non ntr game

So I don't know why you guys keep trying to BS others saying "NOOOOO NO ONE CALLEED IT THAAAAAAT". Someone DID call it that, and it's the post RIGHT above my first post here. Maybe you need to wake up and accept things how they are.

Answering to your other point about "If everyone agreed it isn't NTR etc..." then I wouldn't have commented on this post, or rather, I wouldn't have commented about it, but rather on the way people are saying "This is a red flag, that's bad"

EVEN the fact that the Dev listened to criticism and removed the scene you guys complained about was met with "This dev isn't trustworthy, he changed his mind too quickly" What the hell? Didn't you want him to listen to the criticism? Maybe the Dev should just simply do his game however he wants it and ignore soy commenters who will never be contempt.

 

[Zetsuko]

Because you are calling everyone "literal cucks" perhaps? Among other things... Dunno, just my personal opinion.

Fragile egos; I said they are acting like literal cucks(And I even made it clear it's how I feel when I read their posts. I feel like they hoard all that hate because they got cheated on in the past, literally.[Though, reading them, deservedly]). Specially since you agreed/liked with the post of someone calling people authistic and who complained about having the "supposed NTR scene(His words)" and then complained about the Dev removing it from the game, which to me lowers any arguments or opinions you can give to his level.

 

[holaje12]

So I don't know why you guys keep trying to BS others saying "NOOOOO NO ONE CALLEED IT THAAAAAAT". Someone DID call it that, and it's the post RIGHT above my first post here. Maybe you need to wake up and accept things how they are.

I dont know which comment you are referring to dude, my comment is the one above your first one and I am not saying it is ntr there. It is certainly content that would fit more on a ntr game and that ntr fans would enjoy even if it ISN'T NTR (which no one cares if it is btw)

And btw when you comment in a post it adds it to your watchlist automatically even if it is on ignore, it is when I came to fix that that I saw your comment talking shit about what I said, thats why I replied. Or were you happy barking at trees and didn't expect a response? Believe me, as soon as we are done with this discussion you wont see me here again, but I want to make things clear, it not good to just let people spout bs without it being challenged.

Whether the dev listened to criticism I dont care, he should do as he pleases, but he needs to be clear about it. Dont try to sell me a romance/harem game and all of a sudden the main LI is getting gangbanged everywhere.
People in the forum should also able to criticize it as I did.

 

[holaje12]

What the fuck is he thinking?. I mean sure, shit happens before you meet someone but you normally don't know about it, let alone be shown in HD and with full animations , and thats the main LI that will be forced and with MC all game?

Did the dev got shown a video gangbang of his wife or something and thinks that's normal? I can't get my head around why anyone would think of adding such scenes in a supposed non ntr game, but devs always surprise me with new bullshit every day.
Guess this one goes on ignore as well
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Nvm, he discarded the idea apparently, but he just planning that shit is a red flag, and changing his mind so quickly as well, so I'll just ignore it anyway. Plus berserk as inspiration isn't a good sign either

This is the comment, where do I mention the scene is ntr? Zetsuko
I just say it doesn't fit a non ntr game, which most people agree.
After all, I doubt ntr fans would be bothered about having the LIs gettinf fucked left and right even if it isn't technically ntr. I reckon they'll be more than happy about it.

 

[pemoj]

Fragile egos; I said they are acting like literal cucks(And I even made it clear it's how I feel when I read their posts. I feel like they hoard all that hate because they got cheated on in the past, literally.[Though, reading them, deservedly]). Specially since you agreed/liked with the post of someone calling people authistic and who complained about having the "supposed NTR scene(His words)" and then complained about the Dev removing it from the game, which to me lowers any arguments or opinions you can give to his level.

Oh, now I understand your behavior, way of thinking and comments. You are a troll.

 

[Zetsuko]

This is the comment, where do I mention the scene is ntr? Zetsuko
I just say it doesn't fit a non ntr game, which most people agree.
After all, I doubt ntr fans would be bothered about having the LIs gettinf fucked left and right even if it isn't technically not ntr

The fact that you mention that scene would not fit in a "supposedly non NTR game". If you don't understand YOU are implying that scene belongs in an NTR game, then I can't help you, and nor can anyone else.

 

[Zetsuko]

Oh, now I understand your behavior, way of thinking and comments. You are a troll.

Great response for people you can't respond logically to

 

[holaje12]

The fact that you mention that scene would not fit in a "supposedly non NTR game". If you don't understand YOU are implying that scene belongs in an NTR game, then I can't help you, and nor can anyone else.

I didn't know you had problems reading even, thats sad.

Is ntr the only kind of scene that goes well with a ntr game? No, theres prostitution, rape, blackmail, and VOYEURISM (specially when it comes to LIs involved in sex scenes) which would be the case of the scene in question if we want to be technical with tags and such.

There's content that is more fit in a ntr game because ntr fans would enjoy it, even if it doesn't fit the exact definition.

So no one called it ntr and you dont even know how to read apparently, all you did since you butted into the conversation is just throw personal attacks since you have no argument on why a scene like that is a good idea in a supposed romance harem game. (I wont say non ntr because you might get your little head confused again)

 

[Zetsuko]

Oh wow you are very low iq aren't you? I didn't know you had problems reading even, thats sad.

Is ntr the only kind of scene that goes well with a ntr game? No, theres prostitution, rape, blackmail, and VOYEURISM (specially when it comes to LIs involved in sex scenes) which would be the case of the scene in question if we want to be technical with tags and such.

There's content that are more fit in a ntr gamebecause ntr fans would enjoy it, even if it doesn't fit the exact definition.

So no one called it ntr and you dont even know how to read apparently, all you did since you butted into the conversation is just throw personal attacks since you have no argument on why a scene like that is a good idea in a supposed romance harem game. (I wont say non ntr because you might get your little head confused again)

Woah little fella, I would appreciate if you stopped projecting. Everything you said, is literally only applied to your own posts, so that speaks volumes about you.

You very clearly implied the NTR; See that guy that gave you a like? He's a hypocrite, because he liked your comment despite you doing what he was complaining about 10 minutes ago(Nitpicking on terms, eventho it's clear your nitpicking is a lie to save face)

I will from now on start ignoring your posts and not answering(Though, I will make a good example of your contradicting and your foolishness if needs arise with other people, people like you make great bad examples.)

 

[pemoj]

Troll in action.

Thank you for remind me I can ignore trolls like you.

 

[Zetsuko]

Thank you for remind me I can ignore trolls like you.

Do you have anything to give to the post? You yourself sound like a troll actually

 

[holaje12]

Woah little fella, I would appreciate if you stopped projecting. Everything you said, is literally only applied to your own posts, so that speaks volumes about you.

You very clearly implied the NTR; See that guy that gave you a like? He's a hypocrite, because he liked your comment despite you doing what he was complaining about 10 minutes ago(Nitpicking on terms, eventho it's clear your nitpicking is a lie to save face)

I will from now on start ignoring your posts and not answering(Though, I will make a good example of your contradicting and your foolishness if needs arise with other people, people like you make great bad examples.)

Bro no one cares if it is ntr or not. You are the only one having an obsession with it fitting the definition, no one else cares. They just know they hate the scene and nothing else.
I dont know how to explain shit to special needs people so if you still didnt get it with this comment that is basically repeating the same other 6 comments have tried to explain to you earlier, then I dont know how it can get into that little head of yours that people that hate ntr, would hate content that is similar even if it doesn't fit the definition. And showing a LI being intimate with other people fits into that.
That's all, maybe after you are done playing with your crayons later you can read this again and see if you finally get the point.

 

[BlasKyau]

In my opinion the important thing is that the scene isn't going to happen.

The girls are NOT your girlfriends, the girls are part of your harem. This is a very different thing, to begin with, people with harems often ordered their girls to fuck other people in negotiations. This is actual literal history, don't dare even deny this.

The only kind of harem I like is the one where all the members (girls, LIs or whatever you want to call them) are the MC's girlfriends. So, as historical as it may be, order my girls to fuck other guys (or even other chicks) is something that's not going to happen in my game.

 

[Crimson Fire]

I digress.

The girls are NOT your girlfriends, the girls are part of your harem. This is a very different thing, to begin with, people with harems often ordered their girls to fuck other people in negotiations. This is actual literal history, don't dare even deny this.

But sure, let's say you "love each and every one of your harem girls as a girlfriend", the Dev is showing you the PAST. Your "That's cuck shit because it's watching her old bf fuck her" doesn't make any sense, because it's never implied that she's gonna do it with her old BF, and NOT ONLY THIS, but YOU ARE NOT the main character of the story, go touch grass. You're a person pressing click on a mouse to watch porn scenes.

"But it breaks my immersion" well, it shouldn't. THE CHARACTER YOU ARE CONTROLLING(Who is NOT you), never sees said porn, that is shown to you for your own leisure only, so this is NOT cucking in any way, shape, or form...You're just weak enough that anything threatens your masculinity.

I don't know the Dev themselves, but if they liked my comment it's because he doesn't like being raged by people who don't even know what NTR is.

Dude I'm afraid you don't know what the hell you are talking about. A real life harem isn't part of the harem genre for fucksake. are you seriously claiming that a genre has to be coupled with real life? Hello fantasy is not real! Harem genre isn't emulating a real harem. And don't you dare claim otherwise! lol Seriously learn what the harem genre is before conflating it with a real life harem.

In the Harem genre not to be confused with having a lot of LIs ( Love interests ), the only person who fucks the girls in the harem within the story is the main character. You can have women that fuck other people but they are never someone you fuck and often they are an antagonist. In other games that are not harem, you might have multiple partners and you may woo married women to fuck you and they fall for you but that isn't a harem game. "Harem hotel" is an example of a harem game on the site and "Away from Home" is an example of a none harem none NTR game where you only ever see you fucking the other girls but you are a stud that is cuckolding multiple women's husbands.

What you are describing is a corruption-sharing genre where you corrupt a girl and share her not all corruption genre games have sharing but it is a combo that often goes hand in hand. Harem and sharing or harem and NTR or harem an cuckolding wives' husbands are all MUTUALLY exclusive. You cant have a harem sharing game, or a harem NTR game or a Harem Cuckolding game. Harem by definition precludes sharing, women in relationship where you cuckold their husbands/boyfriends or women who seek out or are seduce by other people aka NTR.

The issue NTR/Sharing or telling a story where a love interested gets fucked IN THE STORY means it isn't a harem story. Now you can tell a story where an ex girlfriend or a wife cheats on you and you leave her and get a harem but she can't be one of your lovers. You can tell a story where you think she cheated but didn't and you reconcile but any story where you get graphic scenes of a LI fucking another man past, present or future isn't harem story. To be clear she can have a past lover but that is in the past and that isn't something you get graphic details about and you don't include her sexual past as part of the story.

A bunch of love interests does not a harem genre game make and far too many devs think if they merge harem with other popular genre's they can expand their audience but in fact it divides their audience because the harem genre precludes other genres that are popular. The fans of sharing, NTR and harem don't like their genre polluted by the others either. Sharing fans don't like NTR because NTR isn't about sharing it is about being helpless to stop your LI from getting fucked. And if you are helpless then it isn't sharing is it? NTR don't want to a harem game for a sharing game because they want to helpless at stopping their girl from fucking another dude and that never happen with a harem. Harem fans don't want anyone to EVER fuck their girls.

I am all for developers making the game they want but people are tired of the fools that promise X genre and then go out of their way to NOT give the fan what they promised and then do a semantics argument how X isn't NTR exactly or isn't sharing exactly when they know the issue is that you promised X but are smuggling in Y.

 

[grim019]

Since you are the only person who's not(for some reason) angrily thrashing at someone just speaking in a forum and being a buffoon...I will answer you and ignore the other angry, frail masculinity guy.

I get that, but the whole problem with what you said is, precisely, what you said; If you are not told about it, you will never know about it, and what does the MOST in any storybuilding in any place, are character relationships. I don't mean amorous ones, but you're acting like relationships could never exist before you existed in this game, and that is simply untrue and very pedantic for a game.
It's not the same if a character has an old friend she doesn't get along with for some reason, or if they were a couple a long time ago and now the girl refuses to talk to the guy for their breakup. Sometimes it's necessary to have storybuilding establish the world existed before you did, with all it's "implications", any work that does not do this, is bad in regards of any storybuilding it does.

Kratos's wife doesn't appear in the whole GoW game, but the whole game revolves around taking her ashes to the mountaintop. Yes, there are events in the way(Events, that different characters with different relationships create), and it's what makes the game so good story-wise.

Its funny how you try to play the victim. when your the one who was acting aggressive first because you disagreed with their opinions. No is acting like relationships could never exist before you existed in the game. A example is people are fine if an LI is mom. Since she is a mom we know she had at least one previous relationship. We just don't want to see her actually hook up with someone other then the MC.