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this is me in this thread generally ignore it then I see JJJ84 make a comment i get excited im like does he have some good news since he is in contact with the dev from time to time
JJJ84 has a lot of faith in this game and in Hopes. He defends and fights for them like the last surviving knight. I just hope Hopes isn't deceiving him by saying "I'm still developing the game." Because if it turns out that this isn't true, the one who'll be hurt the most will be him.

Hopefully Hopes will release a big update and embarrass us all.
 

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But has it ever been paused, its easy enough to make that statement but if it was true you shouldent be able to sign up and subscribe should you?
Last time i saw someone suspend payments it would say just that on the site and since this dev said it would be untill next release of the game it feels more like a lie then anything else, still shows xxx number of paying subs and open for new ones to sign up, that dosent feel much like a pause untill next release :)

When pause u still can sub. It patreon does this. Pause billing but still show number pay ppl and can sub.
 
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When pause u still can sub. It patreon does this. Pause billing but still show number pay ppl and can sub.
Even so new sign ups will be charged, if devs are serious they should pause membership sign ups as well and yes thats possible as well, its kinda weird that there is no way of seeing if a patroen is paused without being signed up, so the only people who knows is members so unless members can tell people if it is on pause or not i wouldent put much trust into devs of this type, meaning very very slow game updates and constant having issues that holds updates back and so on....
 
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The problem is he tells JJJ he's still working on the game but the last Patreon update was November last year, it wouldn't kill him to poke his head up from time to time and just post "I'm still working on the game." himself on his pateron or something.

It would take 5 seconds to post that and I think that's part of what the frustration is.

You look at a game like Being A DIK, those episodes take about 6 months plus to release but PinkCake gives weekly updates so you know what's going on. Not saying every Dev or Hope has to give weekly updates, real life happens, but going 6 months with no updates and relying on JJJ to give updates here and not even his Paterons is a piss take.

Again I think it's less about the length of time it takes for updates to come out but more he lack of communication himself with updates that's the bigger problem.
 

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The problem is he tells JJJ he's still working on the game but the last Patreon update was November last year, it wouldn't kill him to poke his head up from time to time and just post "I'm still working on the game." himself on his pateron or something.

It would take 5 seconds to post that and I think that's part of what the frustration is.

You look at a game like Being A DIK, those episodes take about 6 months plus to release but PinkCake gives weekly updates so you know what's going on. Not saying every Dev or Hope has to give weekly updates, real life happens, but going 6 months with no updates and relying on JJJ to give updates here and not even his Paterons is a piss take.

Again I think it's less about the length of time it takes for updates to come out but more he lack of communication himself with updates that's the bigger problem.
You're not wrong, but from another perspective, the amount of abusive bullshit spewed by people here (who might not even be paying), never mind by paying patrons, can be a lot to deal with for someone dealing with other shit in their lives. Maybe it's too much for Hopes to deal with. I can understand someone dealing with serious life issues to go dark and cut the negativity.
 

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You're not wrong, but from another perspective, the amount of abusive bullshit spewed by people here (who might not even be paying), never mind by paying patrons, can be a lot to deal with for someone dealing with other shit in their lives. Maybe it's too much for Hopes to deal with. I can understand someone dealing with serious life issues to go dark and cut the negativity.
He was talking about Hopes communication on patreon not here, nobody can expect a dev to communicate on f95, even when they did it in the past but the user was talking about patreon and the dev talking to his paying customers.

Imo thats - since he turned it into a buisness with the steam release - simply a no go und very very unprofressionell. It would (and will) keep me from subbing again to this dev even if the next update would be big and awesome. He would have to publish a series of updates to ever convince someone like me to become a customer again.

I dont even mind long development times, some devs take 1 year + but as long as the update is big and good, i dont mind, but to not communicate at all is not really comprehensible for me.
 

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He was talking about Hopes communication on patreon not here, nobody can expect a dev to communicate on f95, even when they did it in the past but the user was talking about patreon and the dev talking to his paying customers.

Imo thats - since he turned it into a buisness with the steam release - simply a no go und very very unprofressionell. It would (and will) keep me from subbing again to this dev even if the next update would be big and awesome. He would have to publish a series of updates to ever convince someone like me to become a customer again.

I dont even mind long development times, some devs take 1 year + but as long as the update is big and good, i dont mind, but to not communicate at all is not really comprehensible for me.
Yeah, that's also what I meant, sorry if I wasn't clear. I meant that if it's so negative and offensive here, imagine how bad it could be where people are paying more money that I can afford? It's got to be a lot to deal with.

I would feel obligated to deal with that, since they are paying me money, but it's not like he's forcing anyone to subscribe and not cancel. I would rather have him work on the game as much as he can than risk even more depression and burnout dealing with all the negativity that comes with the current situation of the game.

I think that if another release ever comes out, a lot of the negativity will dissipate, but certainly not all of it at this point. He should get a social media rep to deal with all the releases and comments so it doesn't affect him.
 

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Yeah, that's also what I meant, sorry if I wasn't clear. I meant that if it's so negative and offensive here, imagine how bad it could be where people are paying more money that I can afford? It's got to be a lot to deal with.

I would feel obligated to deal with that, since they are paying me money, but it's not like he's forcing anyone to subscribe and not cancel. I would rather have him work on the game as much as he can than risk even more depression and burnout dealing with all the negativity that comes with the current situation of the game.

I think that if another release ever comes out, a lot of the negativity will dissipate, but certainly not all of it at this point. He should get a social media rep to deal with all the releases and comments so it doesn't affect him.
I can fully understand why he would have no desire at all to show himself here and frankly i doubt it would be very usefull for him either.

But will there really be a lot of negativity on his patreon with people who are still subbed despite everything? I can hardly imagine that as these guys either seem to not care about the development, forgot about their subsciption or are just UBER UBER loyal and will pay no matter what lol

Maybe im wrong as i cant comprehend their mindest anyway but why would they stay subbed if they are angry about the lack of communication/development? :LOL: Is this some kind of hate-funding? Disappointment-funding? :LOL::LOL::WeSmart:

But i guess it could be possible, people are strange.
 

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Yeah, that's also what I meant, sorry if I wasn't clear. I meant that if it's so negative and offensive here, imagine how bad it could be where people are paying more money that I can afford? It's got to be a lot to deal with.

I would feel obligated to deal with that, since they are paying me money, but it's not like he's forcing anyone to subscribe and not cancel. I would rather have him work on the game as much as he can than risk even more depression and burnout dealing with all the negativity that comes with the current situation of the game.

I think that if another release ever comes out, a lot of the negativity will dissipate, but certainly not all of it at this point. He should get a social media rep to deal with all the releases and comments so it doesn't affect him.
You mean someone like JJ :p
 

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You're not wrong, but from another perspective, the amount of abusive bullshit spewed by people here (who might not even be paying), never mind by paying patrons, can be a lot to deal with for someone dealing with other shit in their lives. Maybe it's too much for Hopes to deal with. I can understand someone dealing with serious life issues to go dark and cut the negativity.
I get not wanting to deal with negativity but people are still paying him. I think if you were supporting him on Patreon, it's now been 7 months since the last update, you've kind of earned a little negativity. Not everybody joins discord, for example so every now and then literally just come in, don't bother reading any of the comments if they're offensive and just post "Still here, working on the game. No ETA yet." Maybe post a screenshot or two and then disappear again. Just something to let people know the the thing they are giving you money for is actually still happening.

Or like you said try to get someone you can communicate with regularly who can update the pateron page at the very least. Something like what JJJ84 does for us, even then unless Hope comes out and says "Hey this person is going to be my official community person, they will give you the updates." We shouldn't have to rely on someone like JJJ to give us updates, they should come from Hope himself. Even if it's only 1 update every few months, when it gets to 7 months, like now, that's a whole different story.

I also get Hope's perspective of "Well if people want to think it's abandoned that's their right" is not the right attitude to have in my opinion because the reason people think it's abandoned is because he hasn't said anything about it in 7 months, even on his pateron. Which is also why there's a lot of negativity cos he doesn't say anything.

If he poked his head up every 2 or 3 months and gave an update, people would probably be okay with that on his Pateron and odds are someone from the Pateron would post an update here. Hell he's got a discord, post the updates there because again someone, most likely JJJ would post the update here too.

And even if he doesn't want to post here the Pateron page deserves the updates. And if something's happened in real life then just post that. "Hey shit's happening in life at the moment, haven't been working on the game much, will be back at it when things settle down." Literally anything and not nothing.
 

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I can understand someone dealing with serious life issues to go dark and cut the negativity.
Pause patreon, then. That's what actually decent developers do - you stop working, you pause payments, perhaps in perpetuity. If you are working and not communicating the work done, you are not doing your part of the deal.
 
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Pause patreon, then. That's what actually decent developers do - you stop working, you pause payments, perhaps in perpetuity. If you are working and not communicating the work done, you are not doing your part of the deal.
He did.
 

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I also get Hope's perspective of "Well if people want to think it's abandoned that's their right" is not the right attitude to have in my opinion because the reason people think it's abandoned is because he hasn't said anything about it in 7 months, even on his pateron. Which is also why there's a lot of negativity cos he doesn't say anything.
Is that acutally the case? How do you know that?

He just wrote one single message during the last year (saying he wasnt really working and is back now) 7 months ago ... i kinda struggle to imagine that people who are still supporting him despite everything for the whole time are really this concerned.

IF they really still are supporting all this time while at the same time they are pissed over the lacking progress/communication ... i dunno ... i lack empathy for them lol

My guess is that its indeed still in development but hopes is procrastinating like crazy

His approach is not good considering his patreon situation but thats only the case if he actually gives a fuck about this income stream, maybe he just doesnt. Steam sales will still happen.
 
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Is that acutally the case? How do you know that?

He just wrote one single message during the last year (saying he wasnt really working and is back now) 7 months ago ... i kinda struggle to imagine that people who are still supporting him despite everything for the whole time are really this concerned.

IF they really still are supporting all this time while at the same time they are pissed over the lacking progress/communication ... i dunno ... i lack empathy for them lol

My guess is that its indeed still in development but hopes is procrastinating like crazy

His approach is not good considering his patreon situation but thats only the case if he actually gives a fuck about this income stream, maybe he just doesnt. Steam sales will still happen.
First post on his Patreon page is this (and it is a public post):
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Although it seems you can still subscribe to him - I didn't try it out if the process end successful.
Also Steam (and any other shops) are different story: You only pay once. You get a product instead of "donating" money. If the product is without bugs or not that is a different question and for that you have reviews.
And if you buy something in early release that would be totally only up to you yourself.
 

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First post on his Patreon page is this (and it is a public post):
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Although it seems you can still subscribe to him - I didn't try it out if the process end successful.
Also Steam (and any other shops) are different story: You only pay once. You get a product instead of "donating" money. If the product is without bugs or not that is a different question and for that you have reviews.
And if you buy something in early release that would be totally only up to you yourself.
Uh i know, thats the post i was referring to from 7 months ago or are you meaning to say this post was an answer towards the negativity on his patreon? My whole post was about the user claiming that there is lots of negativity on patreon which i struggle to imagine.

And how is the steam part related to anything i wrote? Im genuinely confused. I just mentioned steam as a guess why he maybe cant be bothered with patreon communication and is willing to sacrifice this income stream. Maybe his job (which he claimed to have quitted) + steam are more than enough for him and the other stuff is too bothersome.

And everything you buy or support is up to yourself, not sure how that is related to anything either tbh
 
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First post on his Patreon page is this (and it is a public post):
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Although it seems you can still subscribe to him - I didn't try it out if the process end successful.
Also Steam (and any other shops) are different story: You only pay once. You get a product instead of "donating" money. If the product is without bugs or not that is a different question and for that you have reviews.
And if you buy something in early release that would be totally only up to you yourself.
It seems like a backdated post? So is this really all the comms he's had since then? Abandoned is the right tag then.
 

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Given you've tagged me, guess I'll try to respond to some of your post;

I get not wanting to deal with negativity but people are still paying him. I think if you were supporting him on Patreon, it's now been 7 months since the last update, you've kind of earned a little negativity. Not everybody joins discord, for example so every now and then literally just come in, don't bother reading any of the comments if they're offensive and just post "Still here, working on the game. No ETA yet." Maybe post a screenshot or two and then disappear again. Just something to let people know the the thing they are giving you money for is actually still happening.
Correction, people "were" paying him.
After making that last Patreon post, he paused (or suspended) all Patreon payments.

With discord, it's not a platform that I use the most (out of all social media platforms), but generally if the dev is quite active on discord server, fans of the games can get quite a bit of new information which may not typically be available even on Patreon.
So if a person doesn't want to join discord, well it's on them and they can't go complaining "Why isn't this info available in Y" etc etc. Cause that's just the advantage of the platform.
This isn't to say that Hopes is currently active on discord; so to those tempted don't go complaining to me saying "You deceived me!" etc lol. All I am saying are merely benefits of joining discord compared to those that don't.


Or like you said try to get someone you can communicate with regularly who can update the pateron page at the very least. Something like what JJJ84 does for us, even then unless Hope comes out and says "Hey this person is going to be my official community person, they will give you the updates." We shouldn't have to rely on someone like JJJ to give us updates, they should come from Hope himself. Even if it's only 1 update every few months, when it gets to 7 months, like now, that's a whole different story.
That won't really make any difference.
Every info that I revealed until now, I only have revealed after getting permission from Hopes anyway.
Any info which Hopes gives me the OK to share, I share here.
The rest (which he may have revealed to me), it's pretty much given he wishes to keep it to himself so I keep quiet about.
So only difference would be just the "title/position" of Community person, which I never really cared about.

And yes, for those who are in Hopes' discord already know I am one of the Proofreaders for DeLuca (along with Wibble, who is the main proofreader), but that's because Hopes wanted to give me that position for proofreading substantial part voluntarily, not because I wanted the Proofreader role lol

In the end, I'll still be limited in what I can reveal based on what Hopes says (which obviously is his right), so there would be no changes.


I also get Hope's perspective of "Well if people want to think it's abandoned that's their right" is not the right attitude to have in my opinion because the reason people think it's abandoned is because he hasn't said anything about it in 7 months, even on his pateron. Which is also why there's a lot of negativity cos he doesn't say anything.

If he poked his head up every 2 or 3 months and gave an update, people would probably be okay with that on his Pateron and odds are someone from the Pateron would post an update here. Hell he's got a discord, post the updates there because again someone, most likely JJJ would post the update here too.

And even if he doesn't want to post here the Pateron page deserves the updates. And if something's happened in real life then just post that. "Hey shit's happening in life at the moment, haven't been working on the game much, will be back at it when things settle down." Literally anything and not nothing.
"the reason people think it's abandoned is because he hasn't said anything about it in 7 months, even on his pateron."

That's not the reason.
The reason why people think it's abandoned is the Prefix/Tag system on this site (referring to the Uploading Rules section 3 Prefixes).
Most people on this site don't even understand why the tag is applied, & when they see it they just assume it's abandoned (the fact that it's so hard to find certainly don't help things lol).

Hence, I find it is a very flawed system which doesn't take into account dev's irl personal situations; it only misrepresents actual positions of devs by just sticking the label after 3 months while fanning the flame for the trolls to infest the said game's thread to well..... talk crap, in which thread's state often becomes a dumpster fire.
It happened to this thread after getting the "abandoned" tag got slapped on, & it's the same with a lot of other games which got abandoned tag as well.

As for the whole how often the dev gives status updates; well, yeah there is no doubt he could have done a lot better in terms of his communications - and I did mention to him it may have been better off just giving a one or two sentence irl status as you said (this was early this year actually).
His response was, "Yeah, I was good at communication, until I wasn't. Can only strive to be better in the future."

As for why he doesn't make status update posts now (on Patreon, Discord, f95zone), well he's already aware of how this thread is on this site lol.
But regardless, he feels pointless to just say stuff cause he feels they will just merely be words at this point & he wish to back them up with something tangible when he says something.

Hence, you may not agree with it, but that's the way he's going about it.
Expect him to be active on all platforms when he's ready to release the next update.
But until then, he's content to let people think what they wish to think about the game's status.
 
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