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Pr0GamerJohnny

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Am i the only one who feel strange about how Kate smiles? I mean, her expressions are quite nice and natural, except the smiling face. Idk, i wish it must be more emotional or something, but she looks like a cold fish with large cheecks, it even frightning me a bit, i want to chek if she have a pulse, when she do that smile, doesn't like of an expression of someone alive, doesn't it?
Like here she is hot and fine.
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And next face - is "knock-knock, open the door, this is police, mam, we've found a body downstairs, look at the photo, did you see that woman, when she was alive?".
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Nothing too serious, actually, but I just wish the author can make her smile to look more playful and really beautiful, since all the other expressions of her face are looking quite fine. The other way - quite cruel, but it's a cruel world, will also work, like - don't let her smile, ever again, till the end of the game. Just do something.
Yes.


Looks quite fine to me- she has a smile with a bit of asymmetry which gives it a touch of mischieviousness or flirting. You're talking as if she takes on this dead-eyed movie-star smile, all mouth and no eyes, which isn't the case at all.

Ironically I'd say the first expression you posted is worse - her eyes are completely neutral there, when you'd expect while sticking out tongue she'd be conveying something, flirting, apprehension, playful, seductive, fearful, whatever.
 
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BigSexy57

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You're talking as if she takes on this dead-eyed movie-star smile, all mouth and no eyes, which isn't the case at all.
One way of another - something wrong with the smiles around here. And the constructive message to developer would be - please work better on characters' faces expressions, most of them are good or at leas acceptable, but in most cases smiling faces looks weird and don't fit to emotional background of the situation in game.
 
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Justaphase

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One way of another - something wrong with the smiles around here. And the constructive message to developer would be - please work better on characters' faces expressions, most of them are good or at leas acceptable, but in most cases smiling faces looks weird and don't fit to emotional background of the situation in game.
Honestly it looks fine to me. In fact I could say to many people in real life to "fix their face" as their expression doesn't match what I would like to see, or how I would like their smile to be. :LOL:
 

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I could make a hundred saves I'll never cheat on Kathryn.
What if Kathryn cheats on Luke? If you don't allow Luke to cheat or even push Kathryn to do naughty stuff, but allow Kathryn to do naughty stuff without Luke's input, when those choices occur. Then you get a subtly different result, which suggests a Kathryn cheating route might be on the cards eventually? It seems to me, as time goes on, we're getting more independant choices for Kathryn. She even muses in the last update, that maybe she relies too much on Luke's opinion, and that she should start making more of her own decisions. Contrarily, Luke's paranoia regarding his girlfriend's inability to function, without his input, just seems to get worse, on non-netorase routes. All he does, is worry non-stop about how she can't possibly survive without him. Is he in for a big shock?

The recent backstory scene, where Kathryn has oral sex with two guys, while Luke is passed out drunk, is clear evidence that she potentially can cheat on Luke. Why else was that scene included? I think all of these independant choices are possibly leading to an alternate route where Kathryn will cheat on Luke, if the player allows it?
 
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One way of another - something wrong with the smiles around here. And the constructive message to developer would be - please work better on characters' faces expressions, most of them are good or at leas acceptable, but in most cases smiling faces looks weird and don't fit to emotional background of the situation in game.
You're entitled to your opinion. I've seen no problems in the game so far. :sleep:
 
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What if Kathryn cheats on Luke? If you don't allow Luke to cheat or even push Kathryn to do naughty stuff, but allow Kathryn to do naughty stuff without Luke's input, when those choices occur. Then you get a subtly different result, which suggests a Kathryn cheating route might be on the cards eventually? It seems to me, as time goes on, we're getting more independant choices for Kathryn. She even muses in the last update, that maybe she relies too much on Luke's opinion, and that she should start making more of her own decisions. Contrarily, Luke's paranoia regarding his girlfriend's inability to function, without his input, just seems to get worse, on non-netorase routes. All he does, is worry non-stop about how she can't possibly survive without him. Is he in for a big shock?

The recent backstory scene, where Kathryn has oral sex with two guys, while Luke is passed out drunk, is clear evidence that she potentially can cheat on Luke. Why else was that scene included? I think all of these independant choices are possibly leading to an alternate route where Kathryn will cheat on Luke, if the player allows it?
I'm not a fan of cheating so I avoid it whether it's Luke or Kath.
 
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Am i the only one who feel strange about how Kate smiles? I mean, her expressions are quite nice and natural, except the smiling face. Idk, i wish it must be more emotional or something, but she looks like a cold fish with large cheecks, it even frightning me a bit, i want to chek if she have a pulse, when she do that smile, doesn't like of an expression of someone alive, doesn't it?
Like here she is hot and fine.
View attachment 4259724

And next face - is "knock-knock, open the door, this is police, mam, we've found a body downstairs, look at the photo, did you see that woman, when she was alive?".
View attachment 4259730
Nothing too serious, actually, but I just wish the author can make her smile to look more playful and really beautiful, since all the other expressions of her face are looking quite fine. The other way - quite cruel, but it's a cruel world, will also work, like - don't let her smile, ever again, till the end of the game. Just do something.
I believe the problem is that with Luke, Kathryn and Rebecca, the dev has done some subtle morphs to get a more unique face. So these changes puts many of their expressions out of whack. Where it seems like they are faking a smile instead of it looking natural. As the jaw is changed slightly. You also see issues with Lukes hair in almost every render because of this. There could be other characters too that these types of things would happen too, I can't remember all of them and their expressions.

Say anything negative about this game, even if its objectively true and expect backlash from the usual crowd.
 

BigSexy57

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Honestly it looks fine to me. In fact I could say to many people in real life to "fix their face"
Look, ofc it depends from a point of view. If you live in a place where all over around, how you just said - "too many people should fix their faces", - then ofc you will be in love with every not-so-ugly-face-as-you-used-to-see in the game.
Anyway, proposal of making faces' expressions in the game a little bit more playful and natural wouldn't hurt the quality, but gonna improve it. That's what i wish.
 

BigSexy57

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the dev has done some subtle morphs to get a more unique face
Yes. I guess you are probably right about that. But maybe not or it maybe not the main reason of bad smiles in the game. Because, as i've already reported before - there is a Luke model in some other games in use, and it looks about the same as here.
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And about Kate, from my fresh look, always when i see her smiling in the game for now - i can't think of anything else, but just... big cheeks, big cheeks, big cheeks!
 
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Yes. I guess you are probably right about that. But maybe not or it maybe not the main reason of bad smiles in the game. Because, as i've already reported before - there is a Luke model in some other games in use, and it looks about the same as here.
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And about Kate, from my fresh look, always when i see her smiling in the game for now - i can't think of anything else, but just... big cheeks, big cheeks, big cheeks!
Looks nothing like Luke!
Luke is a unique morph from Michael G8 model. Which is Nate in this game. Thats why Luke looks like Nates brother with a slight case of down syndrome.

The more you change the original characters face and body, the more problems you have with normal expressions, clothing fit (poke through), hair, etc. Thats just the way it is and why so many devs dont change the character from the original model. As it can cause annoying problems constantly working in Daz.
 

Dessolos

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One way of another - something wrong with the smiles around here. And the constructive message to developer would be - please work better on characters' faces expressions, most of them are good or at leas acceptable, but in most cases smiling faces looks weird and don't fit to emotional background of the situation in game.
I mean yeah I agree there are times it looks kind off or her smile feels forced but it really isn't a big deal to me it isn't terrible. Only really the smiles on males is what I would say needs work if the intention isnt for the smile for them to give off a creepy feel like with Luke. Kathrynn's is more or less acceptable when it comes to facial expression, I rather not slow down dev time for something small and minor like this.
 

BigSexy57

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it can cause annoying problems constantly working in Daz
I understand the reason. It doesn't change anything, in these renders. The dev of the game have to understand and do something with it. That would help. But as for me - i'd take in not what you said, i got scenarions and ideas for games and modds, and when i will ever start do daz stuff, the info you told me would be useful on 1st steps, i guess.

THIS VISUAL NOVEL ROCKS!
Is that game ideal, no it's far from it. Does this game much better than other games that i saw, definitely yes, it still promising. But i saw quite many games which were looks promising from the start, but the more updates cumming, the more bad they become, like steps of debauchery, with an autistic narcissistic dev there, and many others which turned to be ever more bad afther their promising starts, so i don't even much remember or don't want to waste time naming'em.
In conclusion - I really really really very much hope that this game will keep developing with same good quality of storytelling as it started, i can even live with its minimalistic or sometimes just poor sex scenes design and 2-frames animations of stunned like insects bodies... But who knows, am not kinda pessimistic about that, let's say - am statisticaly realistic, 'cuz most of promising games got a big chance to become a yet another disappointment, even sooner than it will be finished. I'd even offer my help in anything to prevent this game from such a poor destiny, but i don't feel like am good at something like Daz for it, maybe just 3dsmax a little.

I agree there are times it looks kind off or her smile feels forced but it really isn't a big deal to me
Look, if you agree, and i agree, that means that got a feedback about the game here. And it is a constructive note for the dev. No any yelling about too bad faces, but just a note from a fresh look that faces' expressions could be just a little more better, that's it, and am pretty much sure that it won't require years of secret researches in x-labs undeground to try to fix it, so it shouldn't take any significant time from developing time. If it will, then fuck it - i'd play a game with such nice storytelling approach even if characters would be completely without heads there. ^_^
 
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BigSexy57

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I'm of the similar opinion about animations. Flasher sex scene looks like insects intercourse
Uh, don't remind me about how that "scene" looks. Am trying to forget it or to use the power of imagination to make a dream of something better, in movements of bodies physics, instead of that "animation". It's one of the hottest scene, with some real action, finaly, and it was made most bad of all.
Actually, the bj to Nate was a kind of passionless too, but she was thinking like she was getting a growing excitement during it was happening, and a camera was looking at her, so i guess Kate might move a little bit more passionately, more flexible in changing poses during that bj.
But we told it many times before, That's just the exact examples.

In short - faces expressions and posings in animations could be better, hope it will.
 

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Halloween short delay

5 hours ago
Hey guys,
I wanted to give you all an update on the Halloween short.
The good news is that this is shaping up to be quite a substantial amount of content! We’re looking at over 200 renders, some animations, and choices that lead to several different outcomes at the end.
The downside—yep, you guessed it—it’s taking a bit longer than expected. I’ll need at least a few more days to wrap everything up, so we’re probably looking at early to mid next week for the release.
On another positive note, I’ve also been making great progress on Chapter Seven while working on this. However, for the next few days, I’ll be focusing entirely on finishing the short so I can get it out to you all as soon as possible.
Working on this project has been a blast. It’s given me a chance to take a creative break from the regular story and explore something different, which has been refreshing. I think it’ll help me return to the main project with fresh eyes once this is complete.
That’s all for now—I’ll post again as soon as it's ready. I hope you’re all having a fantastic weekend!
Cheers,
Bobby
 

Dessolos

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this is why I like specials as long as a dev doesn't spent way to long on them and slows down the main game by alot cause when he says " Working on this project has been a blast. It’s given me a chance to take a creative break from the regular story and explore something different, which has been refreshing. I think it’ll help me return to the main project with fresh eyes once this is complete. " That's something I like to see and hope for when i see a dev take a break from the main game and do something like a special.
 

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Halloween short delay

5 hours ago
Hey guys,
I wanted to give you all an update on the Halloween short.
The good news is that this is shaping up to be quite a substantial amount of content! We’re looking at over 200 renders, some animations, and choices that lead to several different outcomes at the end.
The downside—yep, you guessed it—it’s taking a bit longer than expected. I’ll need at least a few more days to wrap everything up, so we’re probably looking at early to mid next week for the release.
On another positive note, I’ve also been making great progress on Chapter Seven while working on this. However, for the next few days, I’ll be focusing entirely on finishing the short so I can get it out to you all as soon as possible.
Working on this project has been a blast. It’s given me a chance to take a creative break from the regular story and explore something different, which has been refreshing. I think it’ll help me return to the main project with fresh eyes once this is complete.
That’s all for now—I’ll post again as soon as it's ready. I hope you’re all having a fantastic weekend!
Cheers,
Bobby
I wish he would focus on the main story instead of making another side story and waiting longer than usual for a new update of the main story to be released. :confused:
 

Dessolos

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I wish he would focus on the main story instead of making another side story and waiting longer than usual for a new update of the main story to be released. :confused:
yeah same however I see it as a positive for us and Bobby if we get something out of him taking a little break to do something like this to have fun and not burn out which seems to be the case.
 
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I wish he would focus on the main story instead of making another side story and waiting longer than usual for a new update of the main story to be released. :confused:
I don't think there's any hurry. Anyway - those of us who are here at the development of the game will still be waiting for the new update :)
 
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