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And you're assuming the worst - so the real answer is probably somewhere in the middle.

Also consider, that 547 Patrons listed on his page includes everone on the free tier (like me).
So not only are you naive but also illiterate. Some of the people on this forum shouldn't be allowed near a keyboard

See the difference between total members and paid members lol.

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Jude6

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So not only are you naive but also illiterate. Some of the people on this forum shouldn't be allowed near a keyboard

See the difference between total members and paid members lol.

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Oh shit, you're right.
I didn't look at the page long enough to read it in full.

More importantly though, the name calling isn't really very nice.
Why are you so angry kiddo? Calm down.
 
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Filipis

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I have no idea where he's from. I said I wouldn't quit my job for $4k. But that's the thing... people just assume a dev lives somewhere where that's a lot of money. I've seen it so many times. You don't know that. And on top of that, it's not really going to be consistent. Subs could leave after a release and the number drops. Would you really bet your financial security on such flimsy income?
First off, I agree that Patreon income is not stable enough for myself personally (I would still maintain a simple day job at that point), but I took issue more with the statement that a regular income of around 4000$ would not be enough for the average person to live comfortably. When in fact, in most of the world, that kind of income would be a godsend.

This is not me saying that Bobbyboy should quit his day job and focus on East Block full time, just that 4k$ should be plenty - even accounting for money "spent" investing into game development itself.
 

GetOutOfMyLab

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First off, I agree that Patreon income is not stable enough for myself personally (I would still maintain a simple day job at that point), but I took issue more with the statement that a regular income of around 4000$ would not be enough for the average person to live comfortably. When in fact, in most of the world, that kind of income would be a godsend.

This is not me saying that Bobbyboy should quit his day job and focus on East Block full time, just that 4k$ should be plenty - even accounting for money "spent" investing into game development itself.
I don't think I ever said that, though... and it's highly contextual on where someone lives. All I said was that I wouldn't quit my job for that amount, because for me, that's low. A three bedroom apartment where I live would be roughly $2.8K/month. Nearby areas even higher. The main point is, though, unless someone here knows Bobby's financial situation, how can we tell what's enough for him to quit a regular job and do this full-time?
 

BeastMaster59

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I think we all agree that he deserves all the Money he makes and more as long as he puts out the Quality like he did in his last release...period.
For me the Dev Interacts directly with all his Patreons and that is also Important for me.
I also saw that some of his Patreons canceled there subscriptions because they got it sooner here than on Patreon, I can understand that to some extent they are pissed, but that is not the Devs fault, and this happend a couple of times to me also at other Developers, but I didn't cancel them either, because I`m supporting the Dev for further development, I even started support again after the Game was Leaked here, because I loved that release for it`s action.
I must say that I also cancel some of them again if a release sucks because I`m supporting up to 10 Developers every month and I`m not a millionaire.
But Bobbyboy is a regular that I support very often.
Just my two bits.
 

DarkDaemonX

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A three bedroom apartment where I live would be roughly $2.8K/month. Nearby areas even higher.
Yeah, some areas just cost more to live in, even in the same country or even city, and it has nothing to do with quality, I live in a 2 story, 2 bedroom, 1 bathroom apartment which is only around €700/month, you probably live in a very expensive area.
 

Eet_Fuk

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Yeah, some areas just cost more to live in, even in the same country or even city, and it has nothing to do with quality, I live in a 2 story, 2 bedroom, 1 bathroom apartment which is only around €700/month, you probably live in a very expensive area.
And even that is damn expensive to some mind you...
 
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4k a month is well below the US national average. That 4k is also not 4k, scratch off at least 600 for taxes. Where I live, and it's not a big city, average rent for a 1-2 bedroom apartment is 2k. Add other bills, electric, water, internet, car payments, groceries. Not starving, but probably living check to check. People are indeed being weird.
 

TheUberstuff

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4k a month is well below the US national average. That 4k is also not 4k, scratch off at least 600 for taxes. Where I live, and it's not a big city, average rent for a 1-2 bedroom apartment is 2k. Add other bills, electric, water, internet, car payments, groceries. Not starving, but probably living check to check. People are indeed being weird.
Wow maybe if you have a brand new car. I DON'T live paycheck to paycheck but am not an idiot who has a ton of bills. I make 3k a month and am living just fine.... its called learning how to budget and not being a moron.
 

QuiteQuiet

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Wow maybe if you have a brand new car. I DON'T live paycheck to paycheck but am not an idiot who has a ton of bills. I make 3k a month and am living just fine.... its called learning how to budget and not being a moron.
Same. It's tight living, for sure. But 100% doable. I could free up some money, but I rather like the idea that I'll be better off than most people my age at retirement.
 
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DarkDaemonX

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4k a month is well below the US national average. That 4k is also not 4k, scratch off at least 600 for taxes. Where I live, and it's not a big city, average rent for a 1-2 bedroom apartment is 2k. Add other bills, electric, water, internet, car payments, groceries. Not starving, but probably living check to check. People are indeed being weird.
All that tells me is that living in the US sucks and is too expensive.
 

TheUberstuff

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All that tells me is that living in the US sucks and is too expensive.
It certainly can be, but only for those who rack up major credit card debt and spend money beyond their means. If you live within your means you can live just fine in the US. I pay under 1k for my apartment and its all I need. I don't have CC debt or a car loan. I have savings and I would say I live well. People who buy 40k cars, have 500k houses etc are in my view living outside their means and when they get in trouble I honestly have zero sympathy because they didn't need any of that.
 
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Reddig1979

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It certainly can be, but only for those who rack up major credit card debt and spend money beyond their means. If you live within your means you can live just fine in the US. I pay under 1k for my apartment and its all I need. I don't have CC debt or a car loan. I have savings and I would say I live well. People who buy 40k cars, have 500k houses etc are in my view living outside their means and when they get in trouble I honestly have zero sympathy because they didn't need any of that.
Is this Dave Ramsey undercover
 
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