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hmmm if that is the direction he wants the story to go for story telling of the relationship while I don't love it , I can respect it. However I feel there was no reason not to include NTS with Franklyn at the very least.
 

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hmmm if that is the direction he wants the story to go for story telling of the relationship while I don't love it , I can respect it. However I feel there was no reason not to include NTS with Franklyn at the very least.
It might have been the aim, but personally, I think he missed the mark here. We didn't get Kathryn seeing the same adversity Luke has been facing, it was completely different, but made more so by the way it was poorly forced.

I've said before, I don't have a problem with it being Kathryn cheating - and I had even said a few times that I was looking forward to what I (correctly) presumed would be Pat with Kathryn in this episode (or possibly just teased here and actually saved for the next one). It was just the way it was shoehorned in to be available on all paths that didn't at all work well.
 

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Cheers, I didn't even see this variation, that just shows how I usually play I guess. "Too eager" is just ridiculous. Pretty much every time Luke (the player) has asked Kat to do these things until now. Now we will shame her for doing them? I guess now Kat staying with Pat almost makes sense IF you have fucked around.
This combined with Luke's reaction to what Kat says while on the livestream, after putting the pics and videos of her on there. I hate when dev's give you control and then give you no say over stuff like this. The dirty talk was kinda hot and I wanted to encourage her, not freak out over it.
What is odd is that the dev has already included a choice that could be used for this: Back during the hospital visit, the player gets to set markers for how both Luke and Kathryn are feeling about the craziness surrounding them. It would have made far more sense to call those as reference points during both the cam show and their argument during dinner.

Instead you get a forced reaction that makes sense on some playthroughs, but seems completely incongruous on others.




Hey guys, it's time for another dev log! You'd better strap in because this is going to be a long one. This dev log will contain spoilers for chapter 8, so proceed at your own risk if you haven't played the update yet.

Well, chapter 8 is in full swing with the early releases and wow, the response has been wild. Most of the people I heard from love it and some were less than happy.

Before I get onto what's in store for the future of this project including chapter 9, I want to take a moment to talk directly about why Chapter 8 plays out the way it does, because I know some reactions have been strong. Some players absolutely loved the intensity of the chapter, and others felt upset or blindsided. I understand both reactions, and I want to explain exactly what my intentions were as the writer.

From day one, The East Block has always been a story about a couple, Luke and Kathryn, who deeply love each other while navigating a new life in New York and experimenting with risky desires. Up until now, the sexual themes have generally revolved around NTS dynamics where Luke is willingly involved and both characters engage together or not based on player choice. Chapter 8 changes that formula, and that’s intentional.

The purpose of this chapter is not to “ruin Kathryn,” destroy their relationship, or turn the entire story into pure NTR. The purpose is to introduce real adversity, a genuine threat, something that forces both characters to confront the consequences of their actions, their desires, and their flaws. Every love story needs a moment where the characters face a situation that could break them if they aren’t strong enough to work through it. For this game, Chapter 8 is that moment.

The chain of events, the club fight between Luke and his father, the miscommunication, the storm, the motel, Kathryn’s emotional vulnerability, was all designed to push the characters into uncomfortable territory where their choices actually matter.

This chapter isn’t the end of their story; it’s the midpoint crisis. It’s the moment where things feel like they’re falling apart, so the characters can grow and eventually come together stronger than before. For players who enjoy the corruption/NTS dynamic, there’s still a lot of that ahead. For players who prefer the pure, faithful route: this chapter still supports that path. The consequences, guilt, regret, and healing are all part of that experience.

Kathryn has been placed in a moment of conflict, pressure, and vulnerability, just like Luke has been many times throughout the game. Characters aren’t compelling if they’re perfect. They’re compelling when they’re human.

I’m grateful for all the feedback, both positive and negative. If the chapter made you feel angry, anxious, protective, or emotional, good! That means the characters matter to you. That emotional investment is exactly what makes storytelling meaningful. The story is in full swing and there's lots more to come, so stay tuned to see what happens next.

What's next.

Work is in full swing on chapter 9, and I'm really excited to be working with my new employee for this update which will take some pressure off me. He'll be assisting with some of the tiring and monotonous stuff and also ensure development continues in at least a small capacity when I'm busy with family or other life matters. The sets for each scene are all made and ready for action. I'm already knee deep in the first scene and I feel really positive that I can get this update out quicker than the last two. I'll post a teaser soon from the next update as well as one poll for something I'm undecided on so look out for that. You all voted on Kathryn's sparkly red dress for this update and that is all ready to go, and she looks beautiful especially in the lighting I chose for that scene. Just so you guys know, after November 26th I'll be away for a week so my responses to messages will take longer, but like I said thanks to my helper, development will continue both on chapter 9 and updates to the old chapters, like animations and render fixes, grammar, etc.

Anyway, I think I'll leave it there. I want to thank everyone that gave constructive feedback and helped uncover bugs and typos etc, it was an amazing help. And once again, thank you all so much for the support, it really does mean a lot!

See you in the next one,

Bobby
Thanks for sharing! A lot of words about the forced events and none about the animations I notice, so presumably those are likely to continue as seen in this release.
 
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It might have been the aim, but personally, I think he missed the mark here. We didn't get Kathryn seeing the same adversity Luke has been facing, it was completely different, but made more so by the way it was poorly forced.

I've said before, I don't have a problem with it being Kathryn cheating - and I had even said a few times that I was looking forward to what I (correctly) presumed would be Pat with Kathryn in this episode (or possibly just teased here and actually saved for the next one). It was just the way it was shoehorned in to be available on all paths that didn't at all work well.
yeah the execution wasn't done all that well it's why I can respect the idea of it for the story telling or whatever but don't love it because of the execution of it
 
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yea, the only about 'drama' is that it has to be remotely believable. If your 'realistic' characters are acting completely out of character just to create your drama, it kind of defeats the purpose.

If you've been following a loyal path up until now, chapter 8 is a complete 180 on personalities, and makes no sense.

Look, I get it, NTR and angst brings in the money, but don't pretend that all the other paths won't suffer because of it.
 
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Hey guys, it's time for another dev log! You'd better strap in because this is going to be a long one. This dev log will contain spoilers for chapter 8, so proceed at your own risk if you haven't played the update yet.

Well, chapter 8 is in full swing with the early releases and wow, the response has been wild. Most of the people I heard from love it and some were less than happy.

Before I get onto what's in store for the future of this project including chapter 9, I want to take a moment to talk directly about why Chapter 8 plays out the way it does, because I know some reactions have been strong. Some players absolutely loved the intensity of the chapter, and others felt upset or blindsided. I understand both reactions, and I want to explain exactly what my intentions were as the writer.

From day one, The East Block has always been a story about a couple, Luke and Kathryn, who deeply love each other while navigating a new life in New York and experimenting with risky desires. Up until now, the sexual themes have generally revolved around NTS dynamics where Luke is willingly involved and both characters engage together or not based on player choice. Chapter 8 changes that formula, and that’s intentional.

The purpose of this chapter is not to “ruin Kathryn,” destroy their relationship, or turn the entire story into pure NTR. The purpose is to introduce real adversity, a genuine threat, something that forces both characters to confront the consequences of their actions, their desires, and their flaws. Every love story needs a moment where the characters face a situation that could break them if they aren’t strong enough to work through it. For this game, Chapter 8 is that moment.

The chain of events, the club fight between Luke and his father, the miscommunication, the storm, the motel, Kathryn’s emotional vulnerability, was all designed to push the characters into uncomfortable territory where their choices actually matter.

This chapter isn’t the end of their story; it’s the midpoint crisis. It’s the moment where things feel like they’re falling apart, so the characters can grow and eventually come together stronger than before. For players who enjoy the corruption/NTS dynamic, there’s still a lot of that ahead. For players who prefer the pure, faithful route: this chapter still supports that path. The consequences, guilt, regret, and healing are all part of that experience.

Kathryn has been placed in a moment of conflict, pressure, and vulnerability, just like Luke has been many times throughout the game. Characters aren’t compelling if they’re perfect. They’re compelling when they’re human.

I’m grateful for all the feedback, both positive and negative. If the chapter made you feel angry, anxious, protective, or emotional, good! That means the characters matter to you. That emotional investment is exactly what makes storytelling meaningful. The story is in full swing and there's lots more to come, so stay tuned to see what happens next.

What's next.

Work is in full swing on chapter 9, and I'm really excited to be working with my new employee for this update which will take some pressure off me. He'll be assisting with some of the tiring and monotonous stuff and also ensure development continues in at least a small capacity when I'm busy with family or other life matters. The sets for each scene are all made and ready for action. I'm already knee deep in the first scene and I feel really positive that I can get this update out quicker than the last two. I'll post a teaser soon from the next update as well as one poll for something I'm undecided on so look out for that. You all voted on Kathryn's sparkly red dress for this update and that is all ready to go, and she looks beautiful especially in the lighting I chose for that scene. Just so you guys know, after November 26th I'll be away for a week so my responses to messages will take longer, but like I said thanks to my helper, development will continue both on chapter 9 and updates to the old chapters, like animations and render fixes, grammar, etc.

Anyway, I think I'll leave it there. I want to thank everyone that gave constructive feedback and helped uncover bugs and typos etc, it was an amazing help. And once again, thank you all so much for the support, it really does mean a lot!

See you in the next one,

Bobby
One thing is for sure and that is the next update is going to be make or break for some of us IMO.
I feel like it's going to be difficult for the NTR path to now switch back to NTS or Loyal, so he's going to have to keep going with it surely? Once you start down the NTR route and get those fans, they won't be happy with Luke being in full control again. So either way there's going to have to be some elements of Kath sneaking around, at least on the path where she cheated.
 

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One thing is for sure and that is the next update is going to be make or break IMO.
I feel like it's going to be difficult for the NTR path to now switch back to NTS or Loyal, so he's going to have to keep going with it surely? Once you start down the NTR route and get those fans, they won't be happy with Luke being in full control again. So either way there's going to have to be some elements of Kath sneaking around, at least on the path where she cheated.
Hopefully he'll do the sensible thing this time and make it so choices actually matter, so most can be happy.
 
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One thing is for sure and that is the next update is going to be make or break for some of us IMO.
I feel like it's going to be difficult for the NTR path to now switch back to NTS or Loyal, so he's going to have to keep going with it surely? Once you start down the NTR route and get those fans, they won't be happy with Luke being in full control again. So either way there's going to have to be some elements of Kath sneaking around, at least on the path where she cheated.
No way he can have a fulfilling loyal/nts AND ntr path, the amount of separate scenes/logic jumps/characters that just aren't present at all/personality shifts would be impossible to work. It's going to have to be something like were loyal gets almost nothing, nts gets ntr-lite stuff (Luke is suddenly cool with her banging the guy she cheats on him with) and ntr will get the bulk.

At least that's what I'm calling.
 
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The dialogue branches during Kat and Luke's dance. If you get the branch where they argue over their sex life rather than over Luke's relationship with Pat, Luke accuses her of being too enthusiastic about fucking other people without him around, and Kathryn accuses him of cheating. The dialogue there has minor variations, but not to the extent of separate branches.

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Thank you friend. That definitely didn't happen in my save.
It all makes sense now. After replaying the game and choosing Kath and Luke to be both cheaters. Now this path makes total sense. Why? Because in this case, they have an argument that leads to a fight between them, which is why Luke leaves and acts immature. After their fight, Luke tells Kath to stay here and give him space, but she refuses at first, but is forced to accept so that Luke can cool off. But the issue is that even if Luke and Kath are not cheating, the same outcome happens, which is stupid. If you play the last dance scene with Luke and Kath having both cheated on one another, the phrase Kath tells Pat about returning in separate planes actually makes sense, but otherwise it's bad and lazy writing. I think Bobby was just lazy and in a hurry to release this update without seeing how this could ruin his game. From an NTR standpoint, where both are cheating, it was well made, but if it's from an NTS standpoint, or even if one is cheating and the other is not, this is just ridiculous.
 
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hmmm if that is the direction he wants the story to go for story telling of the relationship while I don't love it , I can respect it. However I feel there was no reason not to include NTS with Franklyn at the very least.
Indeed, all the Dev had to do was include the option to make Luke take a quick look behind him and see Franklin probing her pussy. Luke would smile, nod to Kat, instant NTS. Or not look, instant NTR. Everybody happy. Same with the old guy in the bath tub, phone Luke or not. As for Pat, frontal collision with a truck in the rain, Kat miraculously unharmed, Pat turned into minced meat. Father son issues instantly resolved.
 
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