VN Ren'Py The East Block [v0.8.3] [Bobbyboy Productions]

[Joshy92]

Dev log time let's fucking go!!!

My favourite time of week because every week gets us a little closer to the next chapter.

 

[King Cule]

Dev log time let's fucking go!!!

My favourite time of week because every week gets us a little closer to the next chapter.

How close?
He doesn't mention the release date.

 

[TonyMurray]

What does that mean exactly though? The NTR is already technically "hidden" if you don't choose it. Does this mean that you won't even have the option to choose NTR after this point? Or is it like a "remove NTR" option in the settings?

Or does it mean nothing, and you'll still get to not choose NTR but still have the situations show up.

My interpretation of it is that if you chose for Kathryn to fuck Pat, you'll have full NTR options open to you going forwards, but if you didn't choose for her to fuck Pat, then those options just won't come up for you. Which, if that's the case, is another poor way of doing it, IMO - what about those who want the NTR choice, just not with Pat?

Even if you never interact with Pat again, you'd still have to use him as the key to unlock the route. Franklin is the only other option there, but I don't see how that would be classed as "the major choice", or certainly not when sat alongside the Pat choice. On its own, it would actually have been a pretty big thing for the game - a first actual cheat in the present day, no prior approval or even knowledge from Luke. But when you call something in that episode "the major choice", it's pretty clear what you're talking about.

 

[Zara Scarlet]

You've mentioned a couple of times that you haven't played certain routes, but you're still telling people who did play those routes what they did wrong or what they need to do. Stop telling people how to play and how to (hopefully) enjoy the game. They, as you rightly point out, are looking for different things from the game to what you're looking for, and they're going to play it in a different way. Just leave them alone to do so.

And circling back to the choice to go with Kathryn when she goes dancing or not to go, going with her was absolutely the "safe" choice if you want to avoid the possibility of something happening with Pat. In the context of the game, not going was practically an invitation to have something happen. People can only say that not going was the "safe" choice because they have hindsight after playing the event, and they know that by not going, the argument doesn't happen.ment doesn't happen.

You're wrong I've played all the content in the last few days. When I made that comment at the weekend, it was true then. But since then, I started at the beginning on all the routes and played them all the way through. And you're wrong about the other point too, because that's exactly what I thought and I was right. Maybe it was a lucky guess, but it was still right. And I'm fairly certain Joshy didn't enjoy that particular content, because we've since had a fairly long dialogue about this game in private, and I think I understand perfectly his feelings on this particular topic

In any case, what happened, was not what Luke was worried was going to happen. He was concerned that some other perverts, would try to take advantage of Kathryn and maybe his dad wouldn't be able to protect her. It never entered his thoughts, that his dad would be the one trying to take advantage. He doesn't get on with his dad, but it doesn't have anything to with Kathryn. It's to do, with his dad never be around when he was younger. When you talk about Pat being a threat, that's something that you as the player knows, but he doesn't. He doesn't know Pat's thoughts about Kathryn or her thoughts about Pat. He's doesn't go dancing to protect her from Pat ,but other things he believes might happen.

The other thing is Luke hates dancing, and considers time spent there as a waste. This contrasts with Kathryn who loves it, and would like nothing more than to share it with Luke, but of course he's always stubbornly refused to take lessons, even though that would make him much more confident. And this has been a sore point in their relationship. Because it means either she can't go dancing or she has to go with somebody else or drag along a recalcitrant Luke, who basically then acts like a baby the whole night. This was an argument waiting to happen in my opinion, and I was right

If you make the other choice, Luke has a few nagging doubts, but on balance decides he's made the right choice, because he simply doesn't want to go. And he knows his dad enjoys dancing, and Kathryn will likely enjoy herself with a willing partner, rather than somebody who doesn't want to be there. And he decides to trust that his dad will take care of her. Which he does on the non cheating path

You say I was making a judgement from hindsight, but actually it was you, because you decided to choose for Luke to go, based on something he couldn't possibly know, namely what Pat was thinking about Kathryn. Whereas my choice was based entirely on what Luke was thinking himself at the time. It felt right and I often go with my gut. And it may have been a lucky guess, but it was the correct one.

 

[Dessolos]

You're wrong I've played all the content in the last few days. When I made that comment at the weekend, it was true then. But since then, I started at the beginning on all the routes and played them all the way through. And you're wrong about the other point too, because that's exactly what I thought and I was right. Maybe it was a lucky guess, but it was still right. And I'm fairly certain Joshy didn't enjoy that particular content, because we've since had a fairly long dialogue about this game in private, and I think I understand perfectly his feelings on this particular topic

In any case, what happened, was not what Luke was worried was going to happen. He was concerned that some other perverts, would try to take advantage of Kathryn and maybe his dad wouldn't be able to protect her. It never entered his thoughts, that his dad would be the one trying to take advantage. He doesn't get on with his dad, but it doesn't have anything to with Kathryn. It's to do, with his dad never be around when he was younger. When you talk about Pat being a threat, that's something that you as the player knows, but he doesn't. He doesn't know Pat's thoughts about Kathryn or her thoughts about Pat. He's doesn't go dancing to protect her from Pat ,but other things he believes might happen.

The other thing is Luke hates dancing, and considers time spent there as a waste. This contrasts with Kathryn who loves it, and would like nothing more than to share it with Luke, but of course he's always stubbornly refused to take lessons, even though that would make him much more confident. And this has been a sore point in their relationship. Because it means either she can't go dancing or she has to go with somebody else or drag along a recalcitrant Luke, who basically then acts like a baby the whole night. This was an argument waiting to happen in my opinion, and I was right

If you make the other choice, Luke has a few nagging doubts, but on balance decides he's made the right choice, because he simply doesn't want to go. And he knows his dad enjoys dancing, and Kathryn will likely enjoy herself with a willing partner, rather than somebody who doesn't want to be there. And he decides to trust that his dad will take care of her. Which he does on the non cheating path

You say I was making a judgement from hindsight, but actually it was you, because you decided to choose for Luke to go, based on something he couldn't possibly know, namely what Pat was thinking about Kathryn. Whereas my choice was based entirely on what Luke was thinking himself at the time. It felt right and I often go with my gut. And it may have been a lucky guess, but it was the correct one.

sure if you make that choice base on how you Luke would feel like you did I can see the logic behind that. But if you think of it like a player trying to get the content they prefer at the time or you straight up don't trust Pat to be alone it would seem like going = NTS and staying = NTR / cheating or just no NTS with Pat. For people thinking like a player that perfers sharing / NTS like that you would never guess going would actually feel bad for alot of players and the scene plays out better on the version where Luke stays home.

 

[Zara Scarlet]

What does that mean exactly though? The NTR is already technically "hidden" if you don't choose it. Does this mean that you won't even have the option to choose NTR after this point? Or is it like a "remove NTR" option in the settings?

Or does it mean nothing, and you'll still get to not choose NTR but still have the situations show up.

I think it means those choices will be blanked out, unless you made the necessary choice in Chapter 8.

 

[TonyMurray]

You're wrong I've played all the content in the last few days. When I made that comment at the weekend, it was true then. But since then, I started at the beginning on all the routes and played them all the way through. And you're wrong about the other point too, because that's exactly what I thought and I was right. Maybe it was a lucky guess, but it was still right. And I'm fairly certain Joshy didn't enjoy that particular content, because we've since had a fairly long dialogue about this game in private, and I think I understand perfectly his feelings on this particular topic

In any case, what happened, was not what Luke was worried was going to happen. He was concerned that some other perverts, would try to take advantage of Kathryn and maybe his dad wouldn't be able to protect her. It never entered his thoughts, that his dad would be the one trying to take advantage. He doesn't get on with his dad, but it doesn't have anything to with Kathryn. It's to do, with his dad never be around when he was younger. When you talk about Pat being a threat, that's something that you as the player knows, but he doesn't. He doesn't know Pat's thoughts about Kathryn or her thoughts about Pat. He's doesn't go dancing to protect her from Pat ,but other things he believes might happen.

The other thing is Luke hates dancing, and considers time spent there as a waste. This contrasts with Kathryn who loves it, and would like nothing more than to share it with Luke, but of course he's always stubbornly refused to take lessons, even though that would make him much more confident. And this has been a sore point in their relationship. Because it means either she can't go dancing or she has to go with somebody else or drag along a recalcitrant Luke, who basically then acts like a baby the whole night. This was an argument waiting to happen in my opinion, and I was right

If you make the other choice, Luke has a few nagging doubts, but on balance decides he's made the right choice, because he simply doesn't want to go. And he knows his dad enjoys dancing, and Kathryn will likely enjoy herself with a willing partner, rather than somebody who doesn't want to be there. And he decides to trust that his dad will take care of her. Which he does on the non cheating path

You say I was making a judgement from hindsight, but actually it was you, because you decided to choose for Luke to go, based on something he couldn't possibly know, namely what Pat was thinking about Kathryn. Whereas my choice was based entirely on what Luke was thinking himself at the time. It felt right and I often go with my gut. And it may have been a lucky guess, but it was the correct one.

That's just more bullshit to say that people are wrong to feel bad about something because they didn't play the game the way you played the game. Of course people are going to use their own knowledge when they're making choices. No one is saying that the obvious correct choice is for Luke to go dancing because "Luke knows Pat is a threat", it's obviously that we as the players know that Pat is a threat, and in that instance, on that particular playthrough, we are therefore making the decision based on nullifying that threat. It doesn't matter what Luke does or doesn't know, because ultimately Luke isn't the one making the decision, we are.

Bully for you if you made a guess and it turned out right, but that doesn't mean that everyone else should be naturally coming to the same conclusion.

 

[Joshy92]

If Charlie gets Kathryn pregnant, does that mean the baby is a hobo

 

[moonhowler1972]

If Charlie gets Kathryn pregnant, does that mean the baby is a hobo

 

[Zara Scarlet]

sure if you make that choice base on how you Luke would feel like you did I can see the logic behind that. But if you think of it like a player trying to get the content they prefer at the time or you straight up don't trust Pat to be alone it would seem like going = NTS and staying = NTR / cheating or just no NTS with Pat. For people thinking like a player that perfers sharing / NTS like that you would never guess going would actually feel bad for alot of players and the scene plays out better on the version where Luke stays home.

It's clear from the Dev's post above, that he intends for Luke and Kathryn to have hiccups along the way, even on the sharing route, and I think that scene was one of those hiccups. I don't think based on what he said above, that choice will have any dire longterm consequences. If Kathryn confesses, Luke will forgive her like he always does.

 

[Dessolos]

It's clear from the Dev's post above, that he intends for Luke and Kathryn to have hiccups along the way, even on the sharing route, and I think that scene was one of those hiccups. I don't think based on what he said above, that choice will have any dire longterm consequences. If Kathryn confesses, Luke will forgive her like he always does.

yeah even so im still gonna redo my saves to change the go with pat to not as I think it's the better option for me as a player not base on what will happen in the game / story

 

[soprano31]

that he intends for Luke and Kathryn to have hiccups along the way, even on the sharing route, and I think that scene was one of those hiccups.

Very annoying to aim and fuck correctly for the hobo,
when Kath has the hiccups,
This way Joshy92 will never become a daddy..

 

[Joshy92]

Very annoying to aim and fuck correctly for the hobo,
when Kath has the hiccups,
This way Joshy92 will never become a daddy..

Fuck man I can't wait for Kathryn to be on her back and Charlie to unload a big thick batch of potent hobo cum into her fertile womb

Preferably while on her bed as Luke holds her hands and begs Kath to make him a father

 

[Zara Scarlet]

That's just more bullshit to say that people are wrong to feel bad about something because they didn't play the game the way you played the game. Of course people are going to use their own knowledge when they're making choices. No one is saying that the obvious correct choice is for Luke to go dancing because "Luke knows Pat is a threat", it's obviously that we as the players know that Pat is a threat, and in that instance, on that particular playthrough, we are therefore making the decision based on nullifying that threat. It doesn't matter what Luke does or doesn't know, because ultimately Luke isn't the one making the decision, we are.

Bully for you if you made a guess and it turned out right, but that doesn't mean that everyone else should be naturally coming to the same conclusion.

Just say the Dev had given us choices, as you and others believed he should have done. How could Pat have then been a threat? From your previous comments, you obviously didn't anticipate there not being choices, so from the players perspective if they could stop Pat in his tracks, by simply making Kathryn say no, exactly what threat would he pose? From that perspective alone, it makes absolutely no difference what route the player takes.

The real reason people took that route, was they believed that was the one where they would get a sex scene on the shared route. Whereas, on the other one, it could only be a cheating scene? Or maybe it was simply because Luke was on the route, and some players would rather play him than Kathryn?

All I was doing was explaining my reasoning, which you called into question, by saying it was all with the benefit of hindsight. And since the comment was made to a single individual, who had already made clear how much he'd disliked that particular scene. I wasn't trying to make him feel bad at all, I was trying to help him get on a pathway, that would avoid most of the unpleasantness, that that scene had evoked in him.

But if you want to believe otherwise feel free.

 

[TonyMurray]

Just say the Dev had given us choices, as you and others believed he should have done. How could Pat have then been a threat? From your previous comments, you obviously didn't anticipate there not being choices, so from the players perspective if they could stop Pat in his tracks, by simply making Kathryn say no, exactly what threat would he pose? From that perspective alone, it makes absolutely no difference what route the player takes.

The real reason people took that route, was they believed that was the one where they would get a sex scene on the shared route. Whereas, on the other one, it could only be a cheating scene? Or maybe it was simply because Luke was on the route, and some players would rather play him than Kathryn?

All I was doing was explaining my reasoning, which you called into question, by saying it was all with the benefit of hindsight. And since the comment was made to a single individual, who had already made clear how much he'd disliked that particular scene. I wasn't trying to make him feel bad at all, I was trying to help him get on a pathway, that would avoid most of the unpleasantness, that that scene had evoked in him.

But if you want to believe otherwise feel free.

Well I actually didn't specify that you only made the choice with the benefit of hindsight, I said "people", which was referring to players in general. I don't know how your mind works, and nor is it necessary here for me to know - we're talking about our own experiences of playing the game, while you appear to be focusing only on yours and suggesting that others should have the same viewpoint.

So, are you suggesting here that the real reason people elected for Luke to go dancing was because they wanted a sharing scene? You can't say that on behalf of others, because it's just not true. Sure, some people might have thought that, but it's clear that it's not the prevailing opinion - the general consensus in the thread is that people chose for Luke to go in order to avoid something happening with Pat. That's clear from the comments I've seen in the thread, and I might have missed it, but I don't recall lots of comments (or even one, to be fair) saying that they picked the option because they were hoping for some sharing to happen with Pat.

And I admit, I have no idea what your first paragraph here is about, as it doesn't relate to what I've said or what I've seen others saying. What choices are you saying I believed there should be? This particular conversation is literally just about Luke going dancing or not going dancing, and which is the "right" option, depending on whether you want Kathryn to potentially get up to something or not. There are no choices there that the dev should have given us - just the choice that he did give us (Luke goes or doesn't go), which many people felt worked out the opposite way round to their expectation, resulting in the discussion starting up in the first place.

 

[Zara Scarlet]

Well I actually didn't specify that you only made the choice with the benefit of hindsight, I said "people", which was referring to players in general. I don't know how your mind works, and nor is it necessary here for me to know - we're talking about our own experiences of playing the game, while you appear to be focusing only on yours and suggesting that others should have the same viewpoint.

So, are you suggesting here that the real reason people elected for Luke to go dancing was because they wanted a sharing scene? You can't say that on behalf of others, because it's just not true. Sure, some people might have thought that, but it's clear that it's not the prevailing opinion - the general consensus in the thread is that people chose for Luke to go in order to avoid something happening with Pat. That's clear from the comments I've seen in the thread, and I might have missed it, but I don't recall lots of comments (or even one, to be fair) saying that they picked the option because they were hoping for some sharing to happen with Pat.

And I admit, I have no idea what your first paragraph here is about, as it doesn't relate to what I've said or what I've seen others saying. What choices are you saying I believed there should be? This particular conversation is literally just about Luke going dancing or not going dancing, and which is the "right" option, depending on whether you want Kathryn to potentially get up to something or not. There are no choices there that the dev should have given us - just the choice that he did give us (Luke goes or doesn't go), which many people felt worked out the opposite way round to their expectation, resulting in the discussion starting up in the first place.

Well what I'm saying is that if choices were available, as you claimed they should have been, it would make no difference what route you went on, because you could stop him on either route. But in the case of Luke, he never viewed Pat as a threat, he went there to protect from all the other pervs (because he believes the city is overrun with perverts, and he's right because they're all high on Santini's aphrodisiac).

No, you were replying to me, so the clear implication of that, is that the hindsight remark was aimed at me in particular. Whatever, it was wrong.

I'm playing all the content, so why would I try to make out that only one route is valid. The dialogue I was having which you've latched onto, and decided it was aimed at everybody, was with two people, both of whom mainly play the sharing route. So surprise surprise I was talking about the sharing route, and what routes other people play was irrelevant in this instance because I wasn't talking to them. That is just your erroneous assumption. And you're the one making it into an enormous song and dance that it never was in the first place

t's not even slightly hard to set it so Kathryn only has the options to do anything in the motel with Pat if there are certain variables already triggered.triggered.

See, another easy out, if only he'd wanted to take it. And this one wouldn't even need any additional renders making up. Well, maybe just one or two right at the start

Sounds like you wanted options for Kathryn not to have sex with Pat to me?

 

[Joshy92]

I'm not going to argue anymore but damn everyone, look at Kathryn in this render. She is so sweet and beautiful.

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There that should get us all excited for chapter nine.

 

[TonyMurray]

Well what I'm saying is that if choices were available, as you claimed they should have been, it would make no difference what route you went on, because you could stop him on either route. But in the case of Luke, he never viewed Pat as a threat, he went there to protect from all the other pervs (because he believes the city is overrun with perverts, and he's right because they're all high on Santini's aphrodisiac).

No, you were replying to me, so the clear implication of that, is that the hindsight remark was aimed at me in particular. Whatever, it was wrong.

I'm playing all the content, so why would I try to make out that only one route is valid. The dialogue I was having which you've latched onto, and decided it was aimed at everybody, was with two people, both of whom mainly play the sharing route. So surprise surprise I was talking about the sharing route, and what routes other people play was irrelevant in this instance because I wasn't talking to them. That is just your erroneous assumption. And you're the one making it into an enormous song and dance that it never was in the first place





Sounds like you wanted options for Kathryn not to have sex with Pat to me?

You're talking about several different things as if they are all one. I'm talking about the choice for Luke to go or not to go, and your response is about something that happens in a completely different scene. There are already options for Kathryn not to have sex with Pat, so I don't know why I would want the dev to add options that are already there...

You're very presumptuous, and your presumptions are not always correct. You say that I claim choices should be available, which is not what I claim at all (even in the unrelated quotes you pulled here, I was giving examples of how things could have been done differently, which is something else entirely), you previously said I believed there should be choices, and that I was expecting choices, both of which are also incorrect. And you once again assume that by saying "People can only say that not going was the "safe" choice because they have hindsight after playing the event, and they know that by not going, the argument doesn't happen" I actually mean "You, Zara Scarlet, can only say..." If I had specifically been meaning you and only you, I would have said "you" instead of "people".

Fair enough, you've played all the routes now, but when you originally made comments that people were responding to, you hadn't. That doesn't make their responses incorrect, it just makes them now (potentially) outdated. They were right at the time, but you've caught up since. It just doesn't change what you said or how people responded before you caught up.

Either way, your responses make it clear that you don't actually know what the issue is that people are talking about, or at least you don't understand it. It's a pretty common pitfall in this thread, though, so we're used to it. I'm not going to keep trying to get you to see the point in question so we can then discuss its merits, as it's proved to be a futile path.

 

[exazubi]

not sure but it sounds like going with the NTR option unlocks choices to do more NTR or not while not doing it those choices won't ever show up?

I think the developer explained that quite clearly: if we opted for cheating in the last chapter, then that path and its options are open. If not, then we're left with the other options.

 

[exazubi]

My interpretation of it is that if you chose for Kathryn to fuck Pat, you'll have full NTR options open to you going forwards, but if you didn't choose for her to fuck Pat, then those options just won't come up for you. Which, if that's the case, is another poor way of doing it, IMO - what about those who want the NTR choice, just not with Pat?

In the last chapter Pat wasn't the only option leading to a cheating path. There was also a situation involving Franklin, but that one didn't go that far. So it seems like the individual options depend on the respective LIs themselves, and not solely on Pat as the only trigger.