The end of "Tlaero"

[RanliLabz]

I think what everyone might be missing here is the complicating of Mortze. If Tlaero was simply writing erotic fiction on her own, it would be pretty outrageous for her husband to want her to stop, and I'd agree with Avaron that it would suggest a pretty messed up relationship. The problem is... she's not writing it on her own, she's writing it with someone else, that someone else is another man, and she's been doing it in secret for 10 years.

I'd find it hard to believe that she's not emotionally involved with Mortze given their long standing collaboration. At the very least, it's pretty certain that she's been turning him on with her writing, and he's been turning her on with his art. I can't think of a single partner I've ever had that wouldn't consider that a form of cheating (and probably can my ass)... and I'd think the same thing if it were the other way round.

And that's before the issue that she's been deliberately keeping it from her husband for a decade. Someone who's been lied to for ten years - even if only by omission - is unlikely to see it as anything but a major betrayal, even if they don't consider it cheating per say. Hell, even if they're completely fine with the erotic element, they'd be devastated that their partner didn't trust them enough to tell them what they do and who they are.

PS This isn't meant to beat up on Tlaero - she's an amazing dev and seems like a really nice person from her communications. But I think she's right to conclude that she's been effectively cheating on her husband.

 

[Joshua Tree]

I think what everyone might be missing here is the complicating of Mortze. If Tlaero was simply writing erotic fiction on her own, it would be pretty outrageous for her husband to want her to stop, and I'd agree with Avaron that it would suggest a pretty messed up relationship. The problem is... she's not writing it on her own, she's writing it with someone else, that someone else is another man, and she's been doing it in secret for 10 years.

I'd find it hard to believe that she's not emotionally involved with Mortze given their long standing collaboration. At the very least, it's pretty certain that she's been turning him on with her writing, and he's been turning her on with his art. I can't think of a single partner I've ever had that wouldn't consider that a form of cheating (and probably can my ass)... and I'd think the same thing if it were the other way round.

And that's before the issue that she's been deliberately keeping it from her husband for a decade. Someone who's been lied to for ten years - even if only by omission - is unlikely to see it as anything but a major betrayal, even if they don't consider it cheating per say. Hell, even if they're completely fine with the erotic element, they'd be devastated that their partner didn't trust them enough to tell them what they do and who they are.

PS This isn't meant to beat up on Tlaero - she's an amazing dev and seems like a really nice person from her communications. But I think she's right to conclude that she's been effectively cheating on her husband.

Uh, just because you work with someone, even working close doesn't mean there have to be something else than just share the passion for the work and creativity. You can't really start deny your partner to work with someone because you get afraid they will hook up and cheat on you. That's where the entire "trust" thing in a relationship come into play. That a bit like she wouldn't allow her husband to go to work afraid he would bang the secretary or something.

I don't know with others, but in my relationship, we have common interests/hobbies, and interests each on our own, not necessary of great interest to the other. But we don't deny each other the freedom to pursue said interests. Even in a relationship you need some *"me time" to pursue your own interests/hobbies, or else you both end up go stir crazy, cabin fever, or what to call it.

How can she know he doesn't like what she doing without showing/telling him in the first place. Thing's have an awful way to get out sooner or later regardless. So would been better to just bite the bullet, and roll with it. Maybe things wouldn't turn out so terrible after all.

 

[RanliLabz]

Uh, just because you work with someone, even working close doesn't mean there have to be something else than just share the passion for the work and creativity. You can't really start deny your partner to work with someone because you get afraid they will hook up and cheat on you. That's where the entire "trust" thing in a relationship come into play. That a bit like she wouldn't allow her husband to go to work afraid he would bang the secretary or something.

I don't know with others, but in my relationship, we have common interests/hobbies, and interests each on our own, not necessary of great interest to the other. But we don't deny each other the freedom to pursue said interests. Even in a relationship you need some *"me time" to pursue your own interests/hobbies, or else you both end up go stir crazy, cabin fever, or what to call it.

How can she know he doesn't like what she doing without showing/telling him in the first place. Thing's have an awful way to get out sooner or later regardless. So would been better to just bite the bullet, and roll with it. Maybe things wouldn't turn out so terrible after all.

Of course working with someone doesn't class as cheating - but this isn't just working with someone, it's creating erotica and it's doing it in secret. I mean - this is taking the 'work-spouse' thing to a whole new level! It also opens up the possibility that Tlaero is actually more intimate with Mortze than she is with her husband - on the professional, emotional and sexual levels. Not many marriages could survive that.

Moreover, because it's in the context of a relationship, the fact that it's erotica is a game-changing element - sex of any kind is necessarily exclusive in a monogamous relationship. This isn't like a secretarial job, or a hobby like golf or gaming - it's the recreation of one's most intimate sexual fantasies with another person.

 

[Tlaero]

Folks ... folks ...

I've been exclusive with my spouse for almost a third of a century. I suspect that's longer than many of you have been alive. I know him very well. And I know myself very well too. This won't lead to resentment. This isn't divorce 101. He's given up far greater things for me in the past, and we're still happy.

There's a difference between watching porn and making porn. Everyone watches porn. But imagine the look on your employee's face when they're in a 1 on 1 meeting with you and they just experienced a hardcore scene you made. Are they uncomfortable? Imagine your boss trying to take you seriously, but has the silly erotic lines you wrote ("Oh my god, I'm gonna cum!") going through his head. Imagine how your child's friends would treat him if they knew. Imagine your mom watching the porn you made. Imagine your dad. And imagine how your spouse would feel. "What are you doing when you're writing these scenarios? Who are you thinking about doing them with?"

I'm not giving up a part of myself. I'll still write and I'll still program. I'm not even giving up a hobby. I can easily turn my passion toward similar but non-erotic endeavors. What I'm giving up is a genre.

Thank you for your concern, but I'll be okay. I promise.
Tlaero

 

[Joshua Tree]

Of course working with someone doesn't class as cheating - but this isn't just working with someone, it's creating erotica and it's doing it in secret. I mean - this is taking the 'work-spouse' thing to a whole new level! It also opens up the possibility that Tlaero is actually more intimate with Mortze than she is with her husband - on the professional, emotional and sexual levels. Not many marriages could survive that.

Moreover, because it's in the context of a relationship, the fact that it's erotica is a game-changing element - sex of any kind is necessarily exclusive in a monogamous relationship. This isn't like a secretarial job, or a hobby like golf or gaming - it's the recreation of one's most intimate sexual fantasies with another person.

When creating erotica, or anything else for public consumption, stories, games what not. I don't think it's so much about your own fetish and fantasies, but to make a product that the audience will like. Or else it would pretty much turn into a re-run of the same stuff following your own preference. Brain storming and throwing out ideas about plots and characters to each other, I don't really see as sharing one's most intimate sexual fantasies though.

 

[Olivia_V]

I've been exclusive with my spouse for almost a third of a century. I suspect that's longer than many of you have been alive. I know him very well. And I know myself very well too. This won't lead to resentment. This isn't divorce 101. He's given up far greater things for me in the past, and we're still happy.

I figured you'd be an old soul, hahaha! Good luck to you! You certainly write well enough to go beyond erotica.

 

[Joshua Tree]

Folks ... folks ...

I've been exclusive with my spouse for almost a third of a century. I suspect that's longer than many of you have been alive. I know him very well. And I know myself very well too. This won't lead to resentment. This isn't divorce 101. He's given up far greater things for me in the past, and we're still happy.

There's a difference between watching porn and making porn. Everyone watches porn. But imagine the look on your employee's face when they're in a 1 on 1 meeting with you and they just experienced a hardcore scene you made. Are they uncomfortable? Imagine your boss trying to take you seriously, but has the silly erotic lines you wrote ("Oh my god, I'm gonna cum!") going through his head. Imagine how your child's friends would treat him if they knew. Imagine your mom watching the porn you made. Imagine your dad. And imagine how your spouse would feel. "What are you doing when you're writing these scenarios? Who are you thinking about doing them with?"

I'm not giving up a part of myself. I'll still write and I'll still program. I'm not even giving up a hobby. I can easily turn my passion toward similar but non-erotic endeavors. What I'm giving up is a genre.

Thank you for your concern, but I'll be okay. I promise.
Tlaero

Damn, I thought we had progressed further than that as a society You have such as E.L James (Erika Leonard) making erotica practically a house hold item with her Fifty Shades series. Although you have a lot of writers that make ends meet writing erotica under fictive names albeit. Meanwhile get their other work refused over and over.

Unless you want to stand on the top of a high rise and yell out for the world what you do, it would be between you and those you chose to share with. As for kids today.........

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[OhWee]

I'm another one of those that really liked the Tlaero and Mortze team. The stories they wrote for us were quite good.

There are a number of reasons people walk away from porn. Some would consider adult games to be an obsession or an addiction even. It all depends on how much you look at it or play the games. But then gaming addiction or porn addiction isn't anything new. But those ARE reasons that people walk away from both of those activities.

Tlaero probably wasn't addicted to the gaming or porn aspects of this, but in some circles even engaging in these activities is considered immoral and the path to hell. Her spouse could be a religious man, or otherwise a morally righteous type. As others have pointed out, this is a chapter of her life that spans a couple of decades. That's a LONG time to keep something from your spouse. And perhaps something happened in their relationship that prompted this, a 'come to Jesus' moment as it were, where the two re-committed to not keeping secrets from each other going forward. We don't really know, but we do know that in Tlaero's mind it's time to walk away from this.

I will point out that while Tlaero breathed life into the various characters she wrote about, it was Mortze that created the physical representations of them. And a number of us here are definitely fans of Mortze's work. So this isn't quite as devastating as it could have been, as long as Mortze continues to participate in the adult gaming community.

If Mortze needs to find another team-mate, well I'm sure he'll have a list of interested individuals. Or he could go it alone, and do the writing himself. Or he could just do art, without having an associated full length story.

Anyways, I wish Tlaero the best!

And, for now, we still have Mortze. He's even posted a bit of fan art around here recently!

 

[RanliLabz]

Folks ... folks ...

I've been exclusive with my spouse for almost a third of a century. I suspect that's longer than many of you have been alive. I know him very well. And I know myself very well too. This won't lead to resentment. This isn't divorce 101. He's given up far greater things for me in the past, and we're still happy.

There's a difference between watching porn and making porn. Everyone watches porn. But imagine the look on your employee's face when they're in a 1 on 1 meeting with you and they just experienced a hardcore scene you made. Are they uncomfortable? Imagine your boss trying to take you seriously, but has the silly erotic lines you wrote ("Oh my god, I'm gonna cum!") going through his head. Imagine how your child's friends would treat him if they knew. Imagine your mom watching the porn you made. Imagine your dad. And imagine how your spouse would feel. "What are you doing when you're writing these scenarios? Who are you thinking about doing them with?"

I'm not giving up a part of myself. I'll still write and I'll still program. I'm not even giving up a hobby. I can easily turn my passion toward similar but non-erotic endeavors. What I'm giving up is a genre.

Thank you for your concern, but I'll be okay. I promise.
Tlaero

Well said (Personally, I tell everyone what I do - but I refuse to tell them the name of the game!) Thanks for all the great work you've given us, and the best of luck in all your future endeavours.

 

[Avaron1974]

Folks ... folks ...

I've been exclusive with my spouse for almost a third of a century. I suspect that's longer than many of you have been alive. I know him very well. And I know myself very well too. This won't lead to resentment. This isn't divorce 101. He's given up far greater things for me in the past, and we're still happy.

There's a difference between watching porn and making porn. Everyone watches porn. But imagine the look on your employee's face when they're in a 1 on 1 meeting with you and they just experienced a hardcore scene you made. Are they uncomfortable? Imagine your boss trying to take you seriously, but has the silly erotic lines you wrote ("Oh my god, I'm gonna cum!") going through his head. Imagine how your child's friends would treat him if they knew. Imagine your mom watching the porn you made. Imagine your dad. And imagine how your spouse would feel. "What are you doing when you're writing these scenarios? Who are you thinking about doing them with?"

I'm not giving up a part of myself. I'll still write and I'll still program. I'm not even giving up a hobby. I can easily turn my passion toward similar but non-erotic endeavors. What I'm giving up is a genre.

Thank you for your concern, but I'll be okay. I promise.
Tlaero

This may seem a bit bizarre having a bunch of strangers discuss your private life but while we may not know each other personally you have been a part of our lives for many years. For some of us you played a significant role in our lives growing up. I was a teenager just figuring myself out when I first found your work, i've literally grown up reading your stories.

Please don't mistake my posts for me wanting your marriage to fail that is the last thing i'd want.

You brought many happy hours to us not just from porn (although with my condition I can't say it didn't help) but with great writing and a bit of romance. It would be nice to think you left here and got your happily ever after but it would be even better if you left here and maybe wrote a book.

I'm not asking for erotica but it would be nice if we got more stories from you, you have a talent for it and i'd selfishly like to read more.

But imagine the look on your employee's face when they're in a 1 on 1 meeting with you and they just experienced a hardcore scene you made. Are they uncomfortable? Imagine your boss trying to take you seriously, but has the silly erotic lines you wrote ("Oh my god, I'm gonna cum!")

I'd just like to point out that the first time I had a 1 on 1 meeting with my boss it was to discuss my condition and they experienced a hardcore scene first hand watching me orgasm twice throughout the course of it.

Just saying, there are worse things for a boss to see than a CG sex scene. At least yours won't get the live performance mine gets.

 

[Goblin Baily: DILF]

Imagine your boss trying to take you seriously, but has the silly erotic lines you wrote ("Oh my god, I'm gonna cum!") go

If it's any consolation... for me the sex in those games were an obstacle between me and the good parts... the story

 

[Zecyd]

Folks ... folks ...

I've been exclusive with my spouse for almost a third of a century. I suspect that's longer than many of you have been alive. I know him very well. And I know myself very well too. This won't lead to resentment. This isn't divorce 101. He's given up far greater things for me in the past, and we're still happy.

There's a difference between watching porn and making porn. Everyone watches porn. But imagine the look on your employee's face when they're in a 1 on 1 meeting with you and they just experienced a hardcore scene you made. Are they uncomfortable? Imagine your boss trying to take you seriously, but has the silly erotic lines you wrote ("Oh my god, I'm gonna cum!") going through his head. Imagine how your child's friends would treat him if they knew. Imagine your mom watching the porn you made. Imagine your dad. And imagine how your spouse would feel. "What are you doing when you're writing these scenarios? Who are you thinking about doing them with?"

I'm not giving up a part of myself. I'll still write and I'll still program. I'm not even giving up a hobby. I can easily turn my passion toward similar but non-erotic endeavors. What I'm giving up is a genre.

Thank you for your concern, but I'll be okay. I promise.
Tlaero

good luck, wish you the best

 

[Volta]

It's a pity to see one of the better writers in adult games quit but i understand to some degree, wouldn't go as far as to agree with the cheating thing but i know where she's coming from, it's the deception that's the killer here and i don't know how i'd handle having to hide it from my other half, not as well as Tlaero has i'm guessing.

As for what @Avaron1974 said about looking back later on and realising that your not being honest with your partner but i can say from experience that sometimes giving something up and changing isn't dishonest to yourself, consciously changing your behaviour away from something is actually entirely understandable if you've come to the decision that that trade off between hating keeping secrets from your partner and loving making porn games is longer right for you then fair enough, not that Avaron is wrong, just that getting a firm hold on your priorities is far from a bad thing.

 

[Segnbora]

@Tlaero I wish you luck and happiness with whatever your future holds.

And to everyone else, I'm really uncomfortable discussing a real person's relationship in such detail. I know we don't know who she is, but it really doesn't seem like something that's our business.

I've been arguing with her for nearly a decade about her games — on a different forum, with a different username — but those were debates about her art. Her actual life is something I think should be off-limits. Granted, she may have "asked for it" (I hate that phrase with specific regard to women) with the public post, but on the other hand the alternative — mysterious departure followed by speculation and hounding — was pretty obviously worse.

I'd like to focus on Mortze getting the support he needs. As a writer myself, I think I might reach out to him.

 

[polywog]

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[Avaron1974]

And to everyone else, I'm really uncomfortable discussing a real person's relationship in such detail. I know we don't know who she is, but it really doesn't seem like something that's our business.

I've been arguing with her for nearly a decade about her games — on a different forum, with a different username — but those were debates about her art. Her actual life is something I think should be off-limits. Granted, she may have "asked for it" (I hate that phrase with specific regard to women) with the public post, but on the other hand the alternative — mysterious departure followed by speculation and hounding — was pretty obviously worse.

I hate to be "that girl" but I really don't care what you are comfortable with and what you aren't.

You are free to not participate in the discussion but don't expect everyone else to keep their opinions to themselves just because it happens to make you uncomfortable.

Your thoughts and feelings are your own, please don't project them on to us.

 

[fitgirlbestgirl]

Her actual life is something I think should be off-limits. Granted, she may have "asked for it" (I hate that phrase with specific regard to women) with the public post, but on the other hand the alternative — mysterious departure followed by speculation and hounding — was pretty obviously worse.

That's a false dichotomy. There are plenty of ways to announce you're quitting aside from putting it all out there or slinking off into the night without a word. But you can't put out personal information and then go "my personal life is off-limits, you better not comment on it." To her credit Tlaero didn't make that argument, so don't make it for her either.

 

[Avaron1974]

To her credit Tlaero didn't make that argument, so don't make it for her either.

My view is Tlaero is a grown woman. Like she said, she's been married longer than i've been alive and she's damn well capable of speaking for herself.

We cleared up the issue and we moved on.

What winds me right up is someone coming in trying to dictate the course of a conversation because they don't agree with it.

 

[Segnbora]

You're right. It's totally appropriate to intimate that someone's going to end up divorced.

 

[OhWee]

Somehow, I missed the fact that Tlaero had posted yesterday when I wrote my post. I didn't even know she had an account here! So my last post was probably a bit off track, but most of it still expresses my opinion that there's any number of reasons to move on from this genre, and it's Tlaero's call, not ours. In any case, yeah I missed her post, otherwise I'd probably had expressed my thoughts a bit differently.

In any case, @Tlaero , again, I wish you the best in your future endeavors. And thank you for the stories!

@Mortze, looking forward to your future works/projects! And thanks for the teamup with Tlaero!