The end of "Tlaero"
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- Aug 22, 2018
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I don't mean to pick on your post but this misunderstanding is getting tiresome now.
Not a single person is complaining about her leaving writing erotica behind, not one person, we were concerned over a line she wrote about her partner not accepting what she did. Some of us have seen similar things before and it didn't end well so were a bit worried because it sounded like a one sided relationship.
We may have jumped the gun, she's since clarified and all is well in the world.
The reason we were worried is she's had a pretty big impact on some of our lives it would be nice to think she lived happily ever after now we won't be seeing her around.
No, it's none of my business what she does but I found her work in my teen years not long after I came out the closet and told my family I was a lesbian. As cheesy as it sounds the stories of Keeley, Christine and the birth of the Elsaverse took my mind off a lot of shit that was going on with me at the time and i'd like to think the person that cheered me up during a rough period got the happy retirement she deserves.
- Nov 24, 2018
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Thank you, Avaron. That my stories helped you means an incredible amount to me.
And, thank you, everyone else as well, for your concern and well wishes.
Our time on this earth is short. Fill it with love.
Tlaero
And, thank you, everyone else as well, for your concern and well wishes.
Our time on this earth is short. Fill it with love.
Tlaero
- May 19, 2017
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@Tlaero I lead a dozen lives, multiple identities, and it's hard to keep them apart. People comment that I write strange here, it's a mask. Nobody knows me as polywog except a few of my closest friends, and I keep it that way. If I had come here using one of my known ids, it would have been very different, and embarrassing for a lot of the people I work with. Trying to fit in as just a player didn't go as planned. My thought was that I'd be able to interact, without a constant barrage of questions. I have enjoyed the anonymity, but it has led to unnecessary arguments - some i've enjoyed, others not so much. Far different from my life where people kiss my ass, and say yes sir.
Being a celebrity is not something I could walk away from. No, not just for the sake of my fans, it's a two way street.
I don't see my fans as adoring, no matter how much they profess their love for me, I know that they love my work, and not me personally, but it is a part of me that they love, and I enjoy that they love. It fuels the fire that keeps me going. I imagine that you have a similar appreciation. Erotica, is only a part of what I do, I'm better known for games, and entertainment that isn't so taboo. "legitimate work" if you will, but it's not the same.
I was one of the pioneers in the 3D industry, so it wasn't awkward, at my children' PTA meetings, when other parents asked "so, what do you do?" I could say, I'm a concept artist, I helped design the space shuttle. Nobody needed to know what I was working on right this moment. So I omitted a few chapters of my life - that isn't living a lie.
Clark Kent wasn't ashamed of being Superman, but he had to keep it secret to protect his family. You're a superhero too. Younger generations need more role models like you. Much respect, and best wishes for you and your family.
Being a celebrity is not something I could walk away from. No, not just for the sake of my fans, it's a two way street.
I don't see my fans as adoring, no matter how much they profess their love for me, I know that they love my work, and not me personally, but it is a part of me that they love, and I enjoy that they love. It fuels the fire that keeps me going. I imagine that you have a similar appreciation. Erotica, is only a part of what I do, I'm better known for games, and entertainment that isn't so taboo. "legitimate work" if you will, but it's not the same.
I was one of the pioneers in the 3D industry, so it wasn't awkward, at my children' PTA meetings, when other parents asked "so, what do you do?" I could say, I'm a concept artist, I helped design the space shuttle. Nobody needed to know what I was working on right this moment. So I omitted a few chapters of my life - that isn't living a lie.
Clark Kent wasn't ashamed of being Superman, but he had to keep it secret to protect his family. You're a superhero too. Younger generations need more role models like you. Much respect, and best wishes for you and your family.
I'm pretty late to the thread, but I did not want to let this slip by without saying a few words. I figure that I might not have another opportunity to speak on this topic ever again.
I've been following Tlaero's work since she worked with Phreaky. What hooked me originally about Tlaero's games was that they were more grounded than most things you come across in this genre. Whereas I mostly feel like games, these days, are about collecting points, grinding stats, or just being a super-ultra Übermensch alpha male, I enjoyed the degree of "realism" that Tlaero always injected in her stories. One thing I noticed was that the player had to assume a personality and maintain consistency with that personality. Deviation from who a character's personality is would usually end the game or penalize the player. You had to think like the character, or become the character to complete the game. I enjoyed that more down to earth writing. Another aspect that hooked me when it came to Tlaero's games was that the characters the player assumed control of or interacted with were, for the most part, fallible people. They had their flaws, their baggage, the own problems, and have made errors in life. These were usually presented at the beginning of the game, and it was the player's objective to navigate "a day in the life of" the character within these constraints. It all came together to give me a more memorable and enjoyable experience.
Case in point, I remember when I first played Finding Miranda. It came out very soon after I had a lost someone very dear to me at the time. I remember that the game begins by letting the player construct the foundation of the player's character's personality. Because the options allowed it, I was able to pick something similar to the situation I was going through at the time, not because I was looking for some sort of catharsis, but because I wanted a more immersive experience. But by the end of the game, catharsis was what I got. Tlaero's exceptional writing had captured the feeling of being on "autopilot," which was what I was going through back then. Operating day to day and appearing normal on the outside, but not really being there inside. When it was said and done, I betrayed my usual pragmatism and, perhaps naively, wished that I would soon meet people like the characters in the game. These small moments are what I will miss most.
Another point of praise I would like to make is that, while following Tlaero at the lagoon or here, I was always impressed by the thoughtfulness and maturity displayed. I cannot think of a single instance where Tlaero wrote something at these boards that was not well thought out and illustrated a large degree of professionalism.
To have done such work for around a decade and still be able to realize that it would be best to step back and reorganize one's priorities takes real bravery. Too often, in life, we can't see the forest for the trees, as the saying goes.
Truly, games being created now are built upon the shoulders of giants such as Tlaero.
I will sorely miss your works, Lady Tlaero. Godspeed.
I've been following Tlaero's work since she worked with Phreaky. What hooked me originally about Tlaero's games was that they were more grounded than most things you come across in this genre. Whereas I mostly feel like games, these days, are about collecting points, grinding stats, or just being a super-ultra Übermensch alpha male, I enjoyed the degree of "realism" that Tlaero always injected in her stories. One thing I noticed was that the player had to assume a personality and maintain consistency with that personality. Deviation from who a character's personality is would usually end the game or penalize the player. You had to think like the character, or become the character to complete the game. I enjoyed that more down to earth writing. Another aspect that hooked me when it came to Tlaero's games was that the characters the player assumed control of or interacted with were, for the most part, fallible people. They had their flaws, their baggage, the own problems, and have made errors in life. These were usually presented at the beginning of the game, and it was the player's objective to navigate "a day in the life of" the character within these constraints. It all came together to give me a more memorable and enjoyable experience.
Case in point, I remember when I first played Finding Miranda. It came out very soon after I had a lost someone very dear to me at the time. I remember that the game begins by letting the player construct the foundation of the player's character's personality. Because the options allowed it, I was able to pick something similar to the situation I was going through at the time, not because I was looking for some sort of catharsis, but because I wanted a more immersive experience. But by the end of the game, catharsis was what I got. Tlaero's exceptional writing had captured the feeling of being on "autopilot," which was what I was going through back then. Operating day to day and appearing normal on the outside, but not really being there inside. When it was said and done, I betrayed my usual pragmatism and, perhaps naively, wished that I would soon meet people like the characters in the game. These small moments are what I will miss most.
Another point of praise I would like to make is that, while following Tlaero at the lagoon or here, I was always impressed by the thoughtfulness and maturity displayed. I cannot think of a single instance where Tlaero wrote something at these boards that was not well thought out and illustrated a large degree of professionalism.
To have done such work for around a decade and still be able to realize that it would be best to step back and reorganize one's priorities takes real bravery. Too often, in life, we can't see the forest for the trees, as the saying goes.
Truly, games being created now are built upon the shoulders of giants such as Tlaero.
I will sorely miss your works, Lady Tlaero. Godspeed.
- Sep 17, 2017
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it would kinda be badass when her husband would suddenly ask her: "you stopped writing erotica? are you nuts?! don't ya dare to stop now, i need ma daily medicine!" but i guess that's not going to happen. sad to see and read that people in relationships still are too afraid to share their secrets with their partner. i immediatly would ask myself: why am i even in a partnership when i can't be who i am? strange world we are living in, huh?
oh well, it is what it is and it's her decision at the end. best of luck and may your decision be the right one. gonna admit though, i'm sad.
oh well, it is what it is and it's her decision at the end. best of luck and may your decision be the right one. gonna admit though, i'm sad.
- May 13, 2017
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All good things come to an end.
Thank you very much, Lady Tlaero. I wish you all the best.
Thank you very much, Lady Tlaero. I wish you all the best.
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Honestly, this is just absurd.
She's writing really good games with an adult content. Her games are never about the sex primarily.
Hell, she's one of the few VN writers whose work I would absolutely read if there was no porn, just romance in it.
It's of course up to her, and tbh it's wrong that she never told her partner about her hobby, but this whole thing just seems completely messed up.
Just ridiculous really.
I'm wondering, what kind of a person would have a problem with what Tlaero does, she's really talented and it's obvious writing is important to her, her partner should be accepting of this, not condemn her. Maybe she misjudges him, maybe he's an absolute dream apart from being sexually repressed and incredibly conservative, but it sure doesn't sound like it.
She's writing really good games with an adult content. Her games are never about the sex primarily.
Hell, she's one of the few VN writers whose work I would absolutely read if there was no porn, just romance in it.
It's of course up to her, and tbh it's wrong that she never told her partner about her hobby, but this whole thing just seems completely messed up.
Just ridiculous really.
I'm wondering, what kind of a person would have a problem with what Tlaero does, she's really talented and it's obvious writing is important to her, her partner should be accepting of this, not condemn her. Maybe she misjudges him, maybe he's an absolute dream apart from being sexually repressed and incredibly conservative, but it sure doesn't sound like it.
Mortze and tlaero made some of the best stories I've played on indie erotica (not the best games, didn't like much the fact on some of them that demmand me to stay in character when I really didn't understand the characters yet, like in the first 5 minutes of a game), but anyways, those games (Completed games!!!) will be in the top 100 for many years to come.
Best luck with future projects to both, and luck to mortze with his new programmer.
About the personal discussion, well, it happened to me in life lots of times, that I have had to carry a double life and is not pleasing to anyone. Sometimes you want to do various things at the same time and they are not compatible (it's simple to comprehend as that). Years pass and every time the double life grows weary. There comes a time when you have to confess (say deal with it!) or stop.
And in the end, is your choice what has to stop.
It's not about cheating in the relationship mean of the word, it's about having a secret life. And keeping secrets, big secrets, from your partner, is hard, and is worst the more time it pass. You're alienating the person who wants to know everything from you (because that's love) from half of you. When you are young seems non important to say "deal with it", but with time you finally understand that you are who have to deal with it, not the person you love and deserves no harm, because you didn't become his partner with the premise that he'll have to deal with it to begin with. If the cards were shown at the beginning it will be a different deal.
You cannot have the whole cake.
Personally anyway, still looking for a cake that is not a lie in the end.
But I'm sure that I don't want to be the fake cake myself.
Best luck with future projects to both, and luck to mortze with his new programmer.
About the personal discussion, well, it happened to me in life lots of times, that I have had to carry a double life and is not pleasing to anyone. Sometimes you want to do various things at the same time and they are not compatible (it's simple to comprehend as that). Years pass and every time the double life grows weary. There comes a time when you have to confess (say deal with it!) or stop.
And in the end, is your choice what has to stop.
It's not about cheating in the relationship mean of the word, it's about having a secret life. And keeping secrets, big secrets, from your partner, is hard, and is worst the more time it pass. You're alienating the person who wants to know everything from you (because that's love) from half of you. When you are young seems non important to say "deal with it", but with time you finally understand that you are who have to deal with it, not the person you love and deserves no harm, because you didn't become his partner with the premise that he'll have to deal with it to begin with. If the cards were shown at the beginning it will be a different deal.
You cannot have the whole cake.
Personally anyway, still looking for a cake that is not a lie in the end.
But I'm sure that I don't want to be the fake cake myself.
Thanks for your stories and good for you for reflecting and making changes.
Having a secret work-spouse who co-creates erotica ... well that probably was too much emotional cheating. I guess at this point it's too big of a lie to come clean.
Still, it's a bit sad even if it's the right thing to do. You limit your creativity, and your husband never knows this part of you or how much you achieved. I mean it's pretty impressive, some of the best writing in the genre sustained over a long time.
Thanks again for what you made and shared, and best of luck creating as you go forward.
Having a secret work-spouse who co-creates erotica ... well that probably was too much emotional cheating. I guess at this point it's too big of a lie to come clean.
Still, it's a bit sad even if it's the right thing to do. You limit your creativity, and your husband never knows this part of you or how much you achieved. I mean it's pretty impressive, some of the best writing in the genre sustained over a long time.
Thanks again for what you made and shared, and best of luck creating as you go forward.
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soo , no more game from Tlaero ?
well... that honestly suck
story was awesome. rare to find such quality.
i understand what happened and all. would have loved another way tho. i mean, me and my gf are both into porn games , soo we dont have that kind of problem.
but i guess its coming from a long reflexion and brain-killing decision. its sad.
lol, i admit i just want to say "fuck you tlaero!" , for abandonning us like this , but well, without being that rude of a reaction, i hope you understand that its a shock to know that such talented peoples just leave .
hope Mortze will continu , would be more sad if both just stopped in bad circumstance.
wish Tlaero all the best. i m not mad at all, just sad.
ps: sorry if my "fuck you" have hurt your feeling or anything, its not in bad meaning of it.
well... that honestly suck
story was awesome. rare to find such quality.
i understand what happened and all. would have loved another way tho. i mean, me and my gf are both into porn games , soo we dont have that kind of problem.
but i guess its coming from a long reflexion and brain-killing decision. its sad.
lol, i admit i just want to say "fuck you tlaero!" , for abandonning us like this
, but well, without being that rude of a reaction, i hope you understand that its a shock to know that such talented peoples just leave .hope Mortze will continu , would be more sad if both just stopped in bad circumstance.
wish Tlaero all the best. i m not mad at all, just sad.
ps: sorry if my "fuck you" have hurt your feeling or anything, its not in bad meaning of it.
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Mortze and I (iksanabot) have released the free introduction to our project:
https://f95zone.to/threads/mortze-iksanabot-new-game-the-science-of-lust.30942/
https://f95zone.to/threads/mortze-iksanabot-new-game-the-science-of-lust.30942/
- Jul 10, 2018
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Maybe it is because I'm an old soul too, I fully understood this.
If there is something you need in life, something missing, or simply something you can't resist exploring, then surely the partner in your life is supposed to be the first person you tell and involve and discuss it with, not the last.
For anyone who doesn't get that, pay attention to the 'soul searching' line, and do what was done - put yourself in the position of that spouse. Imagine your partner is leading a double life and keeping these kinds of secrets from YOU. Still as happy? Still think it isn't at all like cheating ... cheating the partner out of the chance to be a part of this part of your life just as others?
It is more about what you are cheating your life partner out of being a part of - part of your life. Agree or disagree, respect that a writer this good undoubtedly put a lot of thought and consideration into it all, and just try to be understanding without judgement.
For me, I hate to see any good writer lost to me, whatever the reason. But I would rather be thankful for what I had, and appreciative of it, and the talent that gave it. "Thank you" is honestly the only truly necessary response.
Life is more important than fiction... Best to the future Tlaero...
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I am late in finding this out, which isn't surprising as I was late into finding her stuff overall. Where I might have played adult games in the past, nothing was like what I came across toward Tlaero's work. As a writer myself, experiencing the work of others with a passion for it is inspiring and leaves a feeling inside. And the discover of her works at a time when I was looking for something new and enticing as my own writing was stalling was quite fortunate.
I applaud her for choosing a path that she believes will bring her joy in life. I once made a similar decision that is actually the opposite to her own. Joining a community of text based roleplay, I discovered erp, and through it made a special bond with the person I would say is my biggest supporter of my ambitions and goals. Essentially what I'm trying to say, is that without going to that site, I likely wouldn't have been exploring for those types of games that led me to her stuff that reinvigorated some of the work I had going at that time and wouldn't have ever made it here either where I've come across other great works.
So, good luck, Tlaero, and thanks.
I applaud her for choosing a path that she believes will bring her joy in life. I once made a similar decision that is actually the opposite to her own. Joining a community of text based roleplay, I discovered erp, and through it made a special bond with the person I would say is my biggest supporter of my ambitions and goals. Essentially what I'm trying to say, is that without going to that site, I likely wouldn't have been exploring for those types of games that led me to her stuff that reinvigorated some of the work I had going at that time and wouldn't have ever made it here either where I've come across other great works.
So, good luck, Tlaero, and thanks.
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I appear to have completely missed that this happened.
Honestly Tlaeros content was stuff I picked up on early and have really enjoyed following. It was always a nice step going into a game somewhat grounded in reality compared to the majority of the content on this site. I had been eagerly awaiting new content from Tlaero and it seems now that that's not going to happen and that's a true shame as it was some of the best content on the site
Tlaero you will be missed by many
Honestly Tlaeros content was stuff I picked up on early and have really enjoyed following. It was always a nice step going into a game somewhat grounded in reality compared to the majority of the content on this site. I had been eagerly awaiting new content from Tlaero and it seems now that that's not going to happen and that's a true shame as it was some of the best content on the site
Tlaero you will be missed by many