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anon280

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Will save actual review for when game is done (since it's suppose to be short):
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Gunizz

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I find it so depressing that we have reached the point that we have VNs with escorts, prostitutes, that cannot not have sex with clients, otherwise the delicate emo guys start screaming because girls having sex is too traumatic for them. This is becoming ridiculous, most plots are so predictable it's worse than novel for kids.
 

Chalker

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I find it so depressing that we have reached the point that we have VNs with escorts, prostitutes, that cannot not have sex with clients, otherwise the delicate emo guys start screaming because girls having sex is too traumatic for them. This is becoming ridiculous, most plots are so predictable it's worse than novel for kids.
but she does/did have sex with other people in the story? The reason it's not shown is that the game focuses on Josh and Jen and their relationship, and her being an escort is just a plot point so they have a reason to bang so quickly despite being siblings.
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Gunizz

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but she does/did have sex with other people in the story? The reason it's not shown is that the game focuses on Josh and Jen and their relationship, and her being an escort is just a plot point so they have a reason to bang so quickly despite being siblings.
I'm just observing the reaction of all the people that instantly complained about the presence of both incest and prostitution regarding the main girl, "they are not compatible!", often before playing the game, so that the developer is pressed to accommodate their preferences. I think creators must have freedom and we must judge the complete story, if it's well made or not, if it's original and creative. Some people should have a more mature approach to erotic novels, you cannot pretend all VN to have the same plot or to have crucial plot elements spoilered since the beginning.
 
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joryh

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I'm just observing the reaction of all the people that instantly complained about the presence of both incest and prostitution regarding the main girl, "they are not compatible!", often before playing the game, so that the developer is pressed to accommodate their preferences. I think creators must have freedom and we must judge the complete story, if it's well made or not, if it's original and creative. Some people should have a more mature approach to erotic novels, you cannot pretend all VN to have the same plot or to have crucial plot elements spoilered since the beginning.
Yeahhh. That's bullshit. Ppl have every right to complain if a story is shit. And telling us that we have to suck it up cause aRtIsTiC InTeGrItY is brain damaged. It's kinda why we have words like critic, criticism, critique. Because we AREN'T supposed to just shut up and eat whatever is being slung at us without comment. Expecting such is as asinine now as it was with the 3 colours of space magic ending of ME3
 

drfronkonstinmd

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Hi all! Thanks for giving me the heads up with the names! I'm changing the code as we speak. I know how annoying that can be when you're given the option to set a name at the beginning and I'm sorry. I'll upload the fix in a few minutes.

EDIT: Fixed and uploaded!
 
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drfronkonstinmd

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On a side note, yes, the animations are a little janky. Even with a render server that's the best I can do for now. I'll try to improve that aspect in the future.
 

Havenless_

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I don't want to talk more about it because enough has already been said. Just to say that I'm not a fan of having love interests that work on anything sexually related either. Prostitutes, camgirls, strippers, onlyfans models or something like that...

That being said, knowing that this is a short story, I decided to give it a shot. And I must say that I liked it.

As I've seen in other comments, I understand that it's only a short story, but I would have liked a little bit more relationship building. I mean, the MC and Jen have all night to talk.

Now, I'm a romantic. That's why I say that. I also understand that the main idea isn't exactly creating a romantic story. But I think there could have been a good romance. A few more scenes where they chat, have fun, hang out more. Not just saying "I've touched myself by looking at your pictures" and "I've touched myself thinking about you".

Anyway. I find Jen's model very attractive. I've read that you plan to create a long story with the same characters but without Jen being an escort. As I said, I loved Jen's model and would definitely like to see more of her.

My question is, will it be romance/love oriented? Or lust/corruption oriented? I mean, something like "I'm genuinely falling in love with my sister" or "I just want to fuck my sister".
 

hrimthyrs

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I love how the game makes it crystal clear that sex isn't one of the services Jenn provides to clients, even calls it the "F95 rule", and people are still banging out paragraphs about it. I despise the emotional torture porn that is netorare, but continuing to wring your hands even after you got what you wanted is a weird way to waste time.
 

ptahn

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I love how the game makes it crystal clear that sex isn't one of the services Jenn provides to clients, even calls it the "F95 rule", and people are still banging out paragraphs about it. I despise the emotional torture porn that is netorare, but continuing to wring your hands even after you got what you wanted is a weird way to waste time.
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I guess MC also believes that "Escort" services also includes sexual services. In my opinion, the idea that Jen is not providing sexual services to her clients was added after all the complaints about her being an escort. I know that this developer has the support of some of the posters on this page. The fact is he has 6 subscribers. I'm going to make a guess that he was hoping for more. He's making $45/month with goals of $600 and $2900. He plans to use Jen in his next game but this time she is going to be a student. The problem is that he has already tarnished her character for a lot of players. It's not going to help that the discussion page for the new game will probably include a link to this game Jen: "The Prostitute", excuse me "The Escort." So the new game will start out in a hole that this game dug. It will be interesting to see how this all plays out.
 

hrimthyrs

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In my opinion, the idea that Jen is not providing sexual services to her clients was added after all the complaints about her being an escort.
Your opinion is counterfactual. In the "Fail" path that's been in since the first release she says "And they always spend the night talking about their boring jobs and the last toy they bought, like a new car or a boat..." i.e. talking instead of having sex. The dev's very first comment in this thread, from the same day the thread was created, also confirms she's not having sex with clients, her job was used purely as a plot device to set up the scenario, and his second comment quotes and then agrees with somebody who pushed back on the assumption that because she's an escort, she must have had sex with clients. The dev also reiterated this several times in subsequent comments, including one I just noticed you quoted, so you already knew that Jen not having sex with clients wasn't something that got duct-taped on in this version, but was the intention from the beginning.

At most, all the complaints did was prompt the addition of a line spelling out in no uncertain terms that she doesn't sleep with clients with a nod to the forum by calling it the "F95 rule".
 

ptahn

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Your opinion is counterfactual. In the "Fail" path that's been in since the first release she says "And they always spend the night talking about their boring jobs and the last toy they bought, like a new car or a boat..." i.e. talking instead of having sex. The dev's very first comment in this thread, from the same day the thread was created, also confirms she's not having sex with clients, her job was used purely as a plot device to set up the scenario, and his second comment quotes and then agrees with somebody who pushed back on the assumption that because she's an escort, she must have had sex with clients. The dev also reiterated this several times in subsequent comments, including one I just noticed you quoted, so you already knew that Jen not having sex with clients wasn't something that got duct-taped on in this version, but was the intention from the beginning.

At most, all the complaints did was prompt the addition of a line spelling out in no uncertain terms that she doesn't sleep with clients with a nod to the forum by calling it the "F95 rule".
I have to admit that I've never played the game given it's content, so I will accept that what you have said is accurate. I hope that you can see the absurdity of making her an escort to explain why she so quickly has sex with her brother and then claiming that she does not have sex with her clients. The image I posted (which was a screen shot that someone else had posted) illustrated the MC had called an escort with the intention of having sex. Other clients would be assuming the same thing as well. The issue that players are having is that they don't buy the idea that she's not having sex with clients. I'm not sure how MC arranged this "date," but if it was through an ad, she was not stipulating that sex was off the table. I think that the majority of men that hire an escort would be expecting sex to be on the menu. I'm just saying the idea of the escort that never had sex with any client other than her brother was a ridiculous idea. What's next a porn actress mom that never had sex on camera (it was all CGI) and then makes a porn movie with her son with actual penetration?
 

drfronkonstinmd

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I don't want to talk more about it because enough has already been said. Just to say that I'm not a fan of having love interests that work on anything sexually related either. Prostitutes, camgirls, strippers, onlyfans models or something like that...

That being said, knowing that this is a short story, I decided to give it a shot. And I must say that I liked it.

As I've seen in other comments, I understand that it's only a short story, but I would have liked a little bit more relationship building. I mean, the MC and Jen have all night to talk.

Now, I'm a romantic. That's why I say that. I also understand that the main idea isn't exactly creating a romantic story. But I think there could have been a good romance. A few more scenes where they chat, have fun, hang out more. Not just saying "I've touched myself by looking at your pictures" and "I've touched myself thinking about you".

Anyway. I find Jen's model very attractive. I've read that you plan to create a long story with the same characters but without Jen being an escort. As I said, I loved Jen's model and would definitely like to see more of her.

My question is, will it be romance/love oriented? Or lust/corruption oriented? I mean, something like "I'm genuinely falling in love with my sister" or "I just want to fuck my sister".
Hi!

I'm glad you liked it specially if you were a bit hesitant at first. Thanks a lot for giving it a try despite your doubts.

Just a detail about what you said. It's true that she caught him that one time and ended up masturbating in her room but, to be fair, he says he was totally obsessed with her for a long time. For him, this is much bigger than "I just want to fuck my sister".

It's also true that this whole project started as a test. I wanted to see if I could go from a blank page to a finished game, so I wanted to keep it short. I also knew I wanted to go for my main fetish, which is obviously siblings, so I tried to come up with a somewhat believable initial premise that could lead to sex in just a few hours. Could I have done it differently? Sure, but at that moment it felt like the escort thing added a few layers of complexity to the character. Neither of them are in a place in their lives they're particularly enjoying and that could all change in one night where, apparently, everything goes wrong. Honestly, it felt interesting and truly different from other games. That's why I went with it.

Rearding the rest of your comment, that's actually what some of my other projects are heading towards. I've got many ideas. Some are weird, others are more focused on sexual comedy, but there's a specific script that's currently in development where the main premise is, literally, slowly falling in love with your slightly naive, yet totally adorable and strangely magnetic sister after a long period without seeing each other (and no, she's not a sexual worker of any kind).

Thanks again!
 

drfronkonstinmd

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At most, all the complaints did was prompt the addition of a line spelling out in no uncertain terms that she doesn't sleep with clients with a nod to the forum by calling it the "F95 rule".
Just a quick comment because that could definitely lead to more confusion. If you check it again, she clearly says "sex is totally up to me". I've stated many times that she's not a virgin and this version confirms she can have sex with her customers if she feels like it, but it's more of a plus. Her main services are just spending time with her customers and looking astonishing at events and parties.

And yes, obviously, the F95 Rule is a wink towards the first 9 pages of discussion after the release of the initial version. It's the only thing that's been added to the original script directly from forum feedback.
 
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Havenless_

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Hi!

I'm glad you liked it specially if you were a bit hesitant at first. Thanks a lot for giving it a try despite your doubts.
While I'm tired of those kinds of plots, one of the first games I played (Depraved Awakening) has a prostitute love interest. And I loved that love interest. I think it's handled very well. It's impossible for me to feel comfortable with a plot like that nowadays, but simply because of my fondness for that game, I gave this short story a chance.

Just a detail about what you said. It's true that she caught him that one time and ended up masturbating in her room but, to be fair, he says he was totally obsessed with her for a long time. For him, this is much bigger than "I just want to fuck my sister".
Yes, I understood that part. The MC said that he had been obsessed with her for some time, that he thought those feelings would go away as time went on but they didn't. The "I just want to fuck my sister" thing didn't mean it for this game. I meant it in general asking what your next story would be like. To me that part is important. If a game focuses on just "fuck your family" or there really is a romantic story, since, being taboo, some games focus more on the lust part than the romantic part. Personally, I find the idea of the MC falling in love with his sister, mom, aunt, etc. even more appealing, taboo, wrong, etc. than just wanting to fuck them.

It's also true that this whole project started as a test. I wanted to see if I could go from a blank page to a finished game, so I wanted to keep it short. I also knew I wanted to go for my main fetish, which is obviously siblings, so I tried to come up with a somewhat believable initial premise that could lead to sex in just a few hours. Could I have done it differently? Sure, but at that moment it felt like the escort thing added a few layers of complexity to the character. Neither of them are in a place in their lives they're particularly enjoying and that could all change in one night where, apparently, everything goes wrong. Honestly, it felt interesting and truly different from other games. That's why I went with it.
I must say that I personally didn't notice Jen being very uncomfortable with her way of life. I did notice it on the MC's part, even inventing that he had a girlfriend and deciding to hire an escort to stop being a virgin. But, as I said, I didn't exactly notice Jen uncomfortable with her living situation. On the contrary. I know we are told that Jen has been working on that for a year. So it seemed to me that she was very used to that. I didn't feel that part that you mention. I think she comes across as much more relaxed than her brother. She's laughing, making jokes, etc. Maybe a little more nervousness or surprise in the way she acts would have been nice. Nothing over the top, but a little more noticeable. But, this is how I perceived it.

That said, the detail in which the MC hired the escort because she looked like Jen seemed like a nice touch to me. Kind of 'unbelievable', but it's another thing that shows how much he likes his sister.

Rearding the rest of your comment, that's actually what some of my other projects are heading towards. I've got many ideas. Some are weird, others are more focused on sexual comedy, but there's a specific script that's currently in development where the main premise is, literally, slowly falling in love with your slightly naive, yet totally adorable and strangely magnetic sister after a long period without seeing each other (and no, she's not a sexual worker of any kind).

Thanks again!
I'm glad to hear that. I'd definitely like to see a longer story and that it takes its time building up the romantic relationship with Jen.
 
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drfronkonstinmd

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I must say that I personally didn't notice Jen being very uncomfortable with her way of life.

I'm glad to hear that. I'd definitely like to see a longer story and that it takes its time building up the romantic relationship with Jen.
Jen is more open about her current feelings towards her job at the burger place. It's more like "all my nights feel the same and I'm bored", but it's more obvious she's not super happy with it. It's true she doesn't talk much about it in the "good" path (yet).

About the future project, I'm not sure it's going to be Jen, but I think you'll like Sarah too.
 
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