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Chimba

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I love how the game makes it crystal clear that sex isn't one of the services Jenn provides to clients
The dev also reiterated this several times in subsequent comments, including one I just noticed you quoted, so you already knew that Jen not having sex with clients wasn't something that got duct-taped on in this version, but was the intention from the beginning.
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lol what are you talking about? The dev made it clear a long time ago that she sleeps with clients,from time to time some of the clients get lucky, you can't try to deny something that the dev himself has said happens.

She's had previous relationships and, only from time to time, a customer will also get lucky, but she normally keeps sex as part of her private life.
 

hrimthyrs

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lol what are you talking about? The dev made it clear a long time ago that she sleeps with clients,from time to time some of the clients get lucky, you can't try to deny something that the dev himself has said happens.
As for the first quote, I very clearly said I was talking about services offered, not claiming she has never slept with a client, ever.

As for the second quote, if you look at that entire exchange instead of just focusing in on the one sentence where I fucked up the phrasing, you can tell from context that I didn't mean she's never slept with a client, ever, just that that's not a service she offers, including the fact that that exact sentence directly refers back to the comment I was replying to, which does say "sexual services".
 

Cornfield

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Can we please remove the big black obstructive box the dialogue is in.
I am wearing my "H" key out.
Incidentally I am enjoying the game.
 
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ptahn

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I'm just observing the reaction of all the people that instantly complained about the presence of both incest and prostitution regarding the main girl, "they are not compatible!", often before playing the game, so that the developer is pressed to accommodate their preferences. I think creators must have freedom and we must judge the complete story, if it's well made or not, if it's original and creative. Some people should have a more mature approach to erotic novels, you cannot pretend all VN to have the same plot or to have crucial plot elements spoilered since the beginning.
Of course, they have the freedom to right whatever story they want. In the discussion thread, posters have the freedom to comment on that story. The developer specifically says, "I'd love to read your thoughts, both positive and negative" in the developers notes. This developer has a goal of making $2900/month. He is currently making $45. Even with all the conversation going on in this thread, he still only has six subscribers. It's up to him to decide what importance to attach to the comments. I have a job, am I free to do whatever I want at my job? No. So, it's up to the developer; is this job where he is trying to make some money or is this a hobby where money has no influence? It's easy for players to say that developers should just write whatever story they want, it's not the player's money that's at risk.
 
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ptahn

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As for the first quote, I very clearly said I was talking about services offered, not claiming she has never slept with a client, ever.

As for the second quote, if you look at that entire exchange instead of just focusing in on the one sentence where I fucked up the phrasing, you can tell from context that I didn't mean she's never slept with a client, ever, just that that's not a service she offers, including the fact that that exact sentence directly refers back to the comment I was replying to, which does say "sexual services".
Maybe what services offered just depended on the size of the tip.
 

ptahn

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Jen is more open about her current feelings towards her job at the burger place. It's more like "all my nights feel the same and I'm bored", but it's more obvious she's not super happy with it. It's true she doesn't talk much about it in the "good" path (yet).

About the future project, I'm not sure it's going to be Jen, but I think you'll like Sarah too.
Your best bet would be to use all new characters.
 
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drfronkonstinmd

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Of course, they have the freedom to right whatever story they want. In the discussion thread, posters have the freedom to comment on that story. The developer specifically says, "I'd love to read your thoughts, both positive and negative" in the developers notes. This developer has a goal of making $2900/month. He is currently making $45. Even with all the conversation going on in this thread, he still only has six subscribers. It's up to him to decide what importance to attach to the comments. I have a job, am I free to do whatever I want at my job? No. So, it's up to the developer; is this job where he is trying to make some money or is this a hobby where money has no influence? It's easy for players to say that developers should just write whatever story they want, it's not the player's money that's at risk.
Money is not important. Those 3k are not per month. It’s just a single goal that’s around the price to get myself a high end machine with a beefy graphics card to keep on working. I don’t want to make a living out of this. I’ve got my day job for that. To me, subscribers are more of a way to measure if people like what I do and also, obviously, a little support that I can use to pay for stuff like the render server, which is always appreciated.
 

ptahn

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Money is not important. Those 3k are not per month. It’s just a single goal that’s around the price to get myself a high end machine with a beefy graphics card to keep on working. I don’t want to make a living out of this. I’ve got my day job for that. To me, subscribers are more of a way to measure if people like what I do and also, obviously, a little support that I can use to pay for stuff like the render server, which is always appreciated.
Then you should write whatever story you want and ignore all of us.
 

Gunizz

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Of course, they have the freedom to right whatever story they want. In the discussion thread, posters have the freedom to comment on that story. The developer specifically says, "I'd love to read your thoughts, both positive and negative" in the developers notes. This developer has a goal of making $2900/month. He is currently making $45. Even with all the conversation going on in this thread, he still only has six subscribers. It's up to him to decide what importance to attach to the comments. I have a job, am I free to do whatever I want at my job? No. So, it's up to the developer; is this job where he is trying to make some money or is this a hobby where money has no influence? It's easy for players to say that developers should just write whatever story they want, it's not the player's money that's at risk.
I agree, my point is to critique the approach and narrow mind of some very vocal players, not the developer's need for a good income. I don't like NTR stories (usually they are really bad), I don't look for NTR, I simpy don't care at all about it. I care about original and interesting stories. If someone has the talent to put up an engaging story where MC is being cucked by Nazi mutant zombies, I would be totally fine with it, I won't shout and cry like a baby before playing the VN.
So I'm totally fine if the girlfriend of the MC is an escort and fucks around, if the story is well written, original, the eroticism is finely worded and the renderings are good.
 

ptahn

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So I'm totally fine if the girlfriend of the MC is an escort and fucks around, if the story is well written, original, the eroticism is finely worded and the renderings are good.
If this hypothetical story that you describe were started today, it would never garner much support and likely be abandoned. Quality of story is probably number three in a list of traits that determine how much a story makes financially, behind quality of art (renders, animation) and content (incest, virgins, NTR, etc.) A savvy developer would create a great and original story within the confines of content that generates income.

I'm having to guess at this because I have never played this game. This developer wanted to create a short game with brother/sister incest. He made the sister an escort to speed up the relationship process. What if the same two siblings were at home. The parents have just left home for the weekend. Brother goes downstairs into the basement. The sister plays a prank and turns out the lights on the brother. Turns out there is a lot of light coming from the doorway. She shuts the door and the door knob comes off. They are stuck in the basement together for the weekend. At this point, much of the conversation in the current game could probably transfer to the new set up. The game lasts until the parents get home. It accomplishes everything the developer wanted without the sister being in the sex industry. My assumption is that you could have basically the same game within the confines of content that makes money.
 

drfronkonstinmd

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This is actually NOT a kinetic novel. A kinetic novel has no choices and will always play out the same way (ie. no multiple endings).
You're right. I didn't know how to describe it because it basically has one important option that leads to one end or the other. Besides that, the rest is essentially a kinetic novel, so being right in the middle between both genres, I decided to go for KN mainly because I didn't want people to think this was one of those games where the player is constantly being asked what to do.
 

drfronkonstinmd

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My assumption is that you could have basically the same game within the confines of content that makes money.
Hey, I'd play the game based on your pitch. Seriously.

About the rest of your comment, I agree. I could take all my scripts and adapt them so they fit within the kind of premises that seem to work best financially. My problem is that I'm doing this mainly for fun and also to get to see all those scripts I've been writing become a finished product. I'm a little worried that the moment I start changing stuff so I can switch to Patreon to get more subscribers or building stories with money in mind, all of this (very) hard work suddenly becomes a chore, which is exactly what I don't want.
 
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L7Bear

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Maybe you downloaded the update the very first day? That issue has already been fixed.
I don't have the exact date (I already deleted the game locally), but I'm 99% sure that I downloaded it recently from F95's Mega link.

edit: I re-downloaded the 0.7 versions from Mega and Gofile and it is corrected in both.
Please disregard my previous experience.

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drfronkonstinmd

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I don't have the exact date (I already deleted the game locally), but I'm 99% sure that I downloaded it recently from F95's Mega link.

edit: I re-downloaded the 0.7 versions from Mega and Gofile and it is corrected in both.
Please disregard my previous experience.

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Good to know! Thanks for taking the time to download and play again.
 
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ptahn

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Hey, I'd play the game based on your pitch. Seriously.

About the rest of your comment, I agree. I could take all my scripts and adapt them so they fit within the kind of premises that seem to work best financially. My problem is that I'm doing this mainly for fun and also to get to see all those scripts I've been writing become a finished product. I'm a little worried that the moment I start changing stuff so I can switch to Patreon to get more subscribers or building stories with money in mind, all of this (very) hard work suddenly becomes a chore, which is exactly what I don't want.
It really wasn't an idea that I was pitching. My point was that it is possible to do a unique game while still being financially viable. I started posting in this thread because one commenter jumped all over another commenter for expressing his opinion. I have an issue with that. Some believe that if a developer listens and takes into account the comments of players with more vanilla tastes, that all games will end up being the same. I understand why they believe that, it's because so many games are similar. It's not by necessity. It's because of the laziness or the lack of writing skills of the developers. Perhaps it's because the computer skills needed to create a game don't go hand in hand with the skills to write a game. I could write a good, original porn game story, but I have none of the other skills necessary to create a game. The reverse seems to be true all too often.

The thing that irks me, is when someone condemns a poster for making suggestions or stating opinions. If you don't agree with another poster's opinion, then debate it; don't suggest they don't have the right to express it. There are just too many people that believe that the discussion thread is here to stroke the developer's ego. If you don't like something about the story, then shut up and go play another game. With that sort of thinking, a developer might be unsuccessful and not know why. Here, players discuss the game, the developers can listen if they want (some developers stay out of their game's discussion thread), and can decide what changes, if any, they want to make given the feedback. Personally, I'm not sure why you encouraged feedback if you were not interested in making changes to your stories based on the comments you received.

The other thing that bothers me is when posters complain about developers that make changes to their stories based on comments they receive. Writers of screenplays have their stories changed by studios, editors, directors, actors, and sometimes test audience opinions. Prince created music for a Batman movie. Author's have their books changed by editors and publishers. I've commissioned two paintings in the past. No one is less of an artist just because they are trying to make a living off of their work. It's great that you don't need the money and can create the story that you want even if it means that it has limited appeal. Not every developer is in that situation. Some developers need this money to pay their bills. One developer wanted to reach his financial goal so he could pay his electric bill and to buy a pizza every once and awhile. When I joked with him about being able to order a pizza, he told me he wasn't looking to order a pizza; he just wanted to be able to buy a frozen pizza from the store to eat while he worked on his game. I'm just not sure how the porn game became the last bastion of artistic integrity.

Dr. F., my comments are not directed at you. I just included them in my response to your reply to my post. My comments are directed toward posters who chide other commenters for expressing an opinion or developers for listening to that opinion. Sorry about the rant in your discussion thread.
 
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drfronkonstinmd

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Dr. F., my comments are not directed at you. I just included them in my response to your reply to my post. My comments are directed toward posters who chide other commenters for expressing an opinion or developers for listening to that opinion. Sorry about the rant in your discussion thread.
Wow... That's a lot. I'll just add a couple of things.

It may seem that I asked for reviews and opinions and just didn't listen because I stated a couple of times the game hasn't changed except for the F95 Rule comment. Let me explain myself about that.

It was never my intention to adapt the game to whatever the majority wanted to see. The main reason behind asking for opinions was to really know what you guys thought about it, but after so much work developing the story, the art and the coding, it didn't feel right to change fundamental parts of the game just to please a few people. Don't get me wrong. I don't think the script is perfect in any way, but I still like it better than other suggestions so, for now, I don't see any reason to change it. On the other hand, if someone came with something different than just saying "hey, can you change it so an escort with that body and face doesn't have any previous sexual experience?" or "can you add my personal fetish to the game?". Something that fits within the narrative and makes me go "ok, I hadn't thought about that and it truly adds a lot to the whole game", I'd definitely consider changing or even expanding it.

Now, your comments are still very useful nevertheless. Why? Because I am taking notes for future games. In fact, one of the scripts I'm working on right now has been completely redefined based on a few opinions from this thread, so yes. I'm listening.
 
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