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[Oliz82]

Hello.

Thanks for the precisions. Now, I understand your reasoning but I still can't agree with most of it.

Simple:

1. "Others do worse" doesn't make bad become good - it's still bad.
2. I like game that respects players' time.

We settle with it, cuz "Grind" is easiest way to make these games, and the priority is porn, not gameplay.

1. Not necessarily : just because it isn't good, doesn't mean it's bad either. Also, it's subjective to what each individual consider good and bad.
2. It's something I don't understand. What is considered respecting players' time? In my opinion, no game do that because you have to try it many times to know how it works and, even doing so, each player has a different value of his time (for example, I like to start a complete new play every update, which is condered a waste of time by the majority).

Well, I may be in the minority because I play porn games to have fun, have a good time, appreciate the worldbuilding and characters. Porn is just a bonus, a reward for doing eveything right. If I wanted only that, movies and pictures that can be found everywhere on the net would be enough (and erotic stories would be useless).

"Grindy" as "Mechanics" is bad on principle:
Having to Repeat the same mindless action a huge amount of times, just for an arbitrary number increase?
It's just a "Time Wasting Mechanics" that achieve nothing else.
Again, "Grind" itself is not evil, well paced grinds, contents rich grinds are well used among games - which are both lacking here, and what I proposed in my previous comments.

Ask yourself, is what you want really "Grind", or you want the world to be "Responsive to your actions" / "Immersion"?
"Repeat mindless actions just for an arbitrary number increase" is definitely not a good solution for the latter.

Having one action only unlocking everything is also a bad mechanism. You can't expect a one in a lifetime action to bear fruit everytime, just like that.
Maybe you consider it "Time Wasting Mechanics" but reaching a milestone is what those stats are usually for. If you're more intelligent, fit, beautiful, well dressed, have more money (add what stat you want to continue), it's normal to have access to more content. Nobody is interested in a neglected MC that stays locked in his room and can't do nor afford anything. Also, doing the same thing with different outcomes (success/failure, different media, different way to gain a stat, alone or with someone else...) is the right way to do it.
I already said it in another thread but i would love a day in which a game will implement that if you wear his favorite colour, the character will be more open, if you have a tatoo with a flower, the gardener will be touched, if you have a baseball ball, bat and glove, the neighboor fan of that sport will come seeing you himself, and so on. Oops, I'm being carried away.
For me, NPC's reactions are as important as player's choice and it's never implemented (even more in a harem game in which the girls are just sex dolls).

If you played any decent game with good mechanics, you will understand.
Also, I only discussed Cuz I assume the dev want to do better. Remember, I rated it 5 star.
If you are fully content with what you have, good for you.

Btw, Forcing someone to do something they don't want / enjoy, is a punishment.

No, I don't understand. I can play sandbox, VN, RPG on HTML, Ren'Py, RPGM and every game is so different from the others that I can't find what is decent.
Yeah, every dev is supposed to want to make his game better but just because you find it's better that way doesn't mean it's better in general.

Your last sentence is astonishing for me : it would mean that every game is a punishment since they all contain something annoying.

Again, thanks a lot. I know we view things differently but we can at least talk correctly (I wouldn't try to do the same in a harem/NTR discussion ).

Good continuation.

 

[nackedsnake]

Pretty sure you misunderstood my whole point: It's NOT about VN vs RPG, nor One Choice vs Multiple actions.
It's about the quality of the Grind / Interaction / Outcomes.
Key words: Well paced, Content Rich, Not Mindless.

Taking TFC as example: Why it needs to be 10 times per stage for Dad/ Brother? Why not 3 times? How about 30 times? Why You Are forced to repeat the SAME Scenes so many times, everytime is exactly the same, only some "Number Change"?
(To clarify, "repeat" means "Taking Action > Receive outcome" The whole process.)
You Don't have "Repeated Event" in real life, everytime there'll be something different - Not just some arbitrary number increase.
Same for game, We want the game world to be responsive to our actions.

And there's also one simple solution: Provide Contents if you want to lengthen the process. If you don't have many Scenes / Events, shorten the grind.
If I recall Correctly, in Grizzly Grove, even when you needs to work on your stats, the events changes rapidly, You don't repeat the same thing many times. And TFC also improved in later routes.

1. Not necessarily : just because it isn't good, doesn't mean it's bad either. Also, it's subjective to what each individual consider good and bad.
2. It's something I don't understand. What is considered respecting players' time? In my opinion, no game do that because you have to try it many times to know how it works and, even doing so, each player has a different value of his time (for example, I like to start a complete new play every update, which is condered a waste of time by the majority).

Respecting players' time: Provide value / reward for the time player spend in the Game.
"Mindless Grind with the same Scenes / Events" Provide value to no one, other than Prolong player Engagement.
And here, The "Engagement" is not entertainment, just Time Wasting.

In fact, Many players doesn't mind / opt-in to have their time wasted (Most MMORPG / Mobile game), but that's their Choice, it shouldn't be forced upon player.

Well, I may be in the minority because I play porn games to have fun, have a good time, appreciate the worldbuilding and characters. Porn is just a bonus, a reward for doing eveything right. If I wanted only that, movies and pictures that can be found everywhere on the net would be enough (and erotic stories would be useless).
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No, I don't understand. I can play sandbox, VN, RPG on HTML, Ren'Py, RPGM and every game is so different from the others that I can't find what is decent.

I meant Non-Porn Games which solely be judged by their Gameplay. The most recent perfect example are Baldur's Gate 3, Alan Wake 2, Sea of Stars, etc.
If you solely want entertainment, not porn, why play Porn Games? They are inferior to Non-Porn Games due to many unsolvable reasons, such as prioriy / funding / scope.
Also, for many people, Porno (movies / pictures) can't do the trick, cuz they don't offer the "interaction" aspect a Porn game does.

Having one action only unlocking everything is also a bad mechanism. You can't expect a one in a lifetime action to bear fruit everytime, just like that.
Maybe you consider it "Time Wasting Mechanics" but reaching a milestone is what those stats are usually for. If you're more intelligent, fit, beautiful, well dressed, have more money (add what stat you want to continue), it's normal to have access to more content. Nobody is interested in a neglected MC that stays locked in his room and can't do nor afford anything. Also, doing the same thing with different outcomes (success/failure, different media, different way to gain a stat, alone or with someone else...) is the right way to do it.

Referring to top. The Process to reach those "Milestones" are also important.
You said it yourself, the Key is

doing the same thing with different outcomes (success/failure, different media, different way to gain a stat, alone or with someone else...) is the right way to do it."

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I already said it in another thread but i would love a day in which a game will implement that if you wear his favorite colour, the character will be more open, if you have a tatoo with a flower, the gardener will be touched, if you have a baseball ball, bat and glove, the neighboor fan of that sport will come seeing you himself, and so on. Oops, I'm being carried away.
For me, NPC's reactions are as important as player's choice and it's never implemented (even more in a harem game in which the girls are just sex dolls).

Like I mentioned earlier, There are plenty of games do that, Just not Porn Games.
And the sad thing is We likely never gonna see one, Unless there are some Major Tech Breakthrough that solve Core issue of Porn game development. Maybe AI tech Can.

Your last sentence is astonishing for me : it would mean that every game is a punishment since they all contain something annoying.

If the game Forces players to do things they are Not signing up to do, then Yes.
For example: I sign up to play TFC, Cuz it's a text-based porn game with gameplay, Not to waste time on mindless grind that's totally arbitrary.
Indeed Many games have player punishment, intentionally or unintentionally.
In some game it's even a core:
Like Dark Soul, It's highly punishing that whip you hard for bad play. But the Purpose is what matters: let players overcome challenges to get fulfilment.
On the other hand, Time Wasting as punishment serve no purse other than waste time.
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Pretty sure this is different from the "a harem/NTR discussion" (where just opinions).
This is about game development, the standards are already established.

 

[Oliz82]

Hello.

Pretty sure you misunderstood my whole point: It's NOT about VN vs RPG, nor One Choice vs Multiple actions.
It's about the quality of the Grind / Interaction / Outcomes.
Key words: Well paced, Content Rich, Not Mindless.

The concept is nice but I've never seen a game like that. Also, it's pretty subjective.

Taking TFC as example: Why it needs to be 10 times per stage for Dad/ Brother? Why not 3 times? How about 30 times? Why You Are forced to repeat the SAME Scenes so many times, everytime is exactly the same, only some "Number Change"?
(To clarify, "repeat" means "Taking Action > Receive outcome" The whole process.)
You Don't have "Repeated Event" in real life, everytime there'll be something different - Not just some arbitrary number increase.
Same for game, We want the game world to be responsive to our actions.

Referring to top. The Process to reach those "Milestones" are also important.
You said it yourself, the Key is

The lack of variety doesn't mean the grind is bad.
I would say the same : why would it need just a one time action?
Yes, you "repeat" but also progress and have a fun or exciting image/gif/video doing so.
Don't use real life as a reference : everything that can happen in a game is exactly what can't in real life (I'll never see in real life an ounce of what I saw in games). Though we repeat many events in real life (studies, daily life, work...).
And it is responsive since there's progress but maybe not what you expect.

And there's also one simple solution: Provide Contents if you want to lengthen the process. If you don't have many Scenes / Events, shorten the grind.
If I recall Correctly, in Grizzly Grove, even when you needs to work on your stats, the events changes rapidly, You don't repeat the same thing many times. And TFC also improved in later routes.

That's often called milking though.
You didn't try to increase your stats in Grizzly Grove then, particularly intelligence, computer, perversion (going to the toilets in the mall to reach 20...) or even worse the kinks. Though not many of them have a use after 20.

Respecting players' time: Provide value / reward for the time player spend in the Game.
"Mindless Grind with the same Scenes / Events" Provide value to no one, other than Prolong player Engagement.
And here, The "Engagement" is not entertainment, just Time Wasting.

In fact, Many players doesn't mind / opt-in to have their time wasted (Most MMORPG / Mobile game), but that's their Choice, it shouldn't be forced upon player.

Each progress is already a reward.
For me, it's going further in the storyline so I don't waste my time.

When I play a game, I do it the way it was made for. In a sense, a game is made to force us to go through it with how the dev considered it to work.

I meant Non-Porn Games which solely be judged by their Gameplay. The most recent perfect example are Baldur's Gate 3, Alan Wake 2, Sea of Stars, etc.
If you solely want entertainment, not porn, why play Porn Games? They are inferior to Non-Porn Games due to many unsolvable reasons, such as prioriy / funding / scope.
Also, for many people, Porno (movies / pictures) can't do the trick, cuz they don't offer the "interaction" aspect a Porn game does.

Yes and no. You can play a game because it's beautiful, it's about a movie you like, you like the theme, choose whatever reason you want and in the end put aside the gameplay (I bought the Smurfs game on Master System because it was the Smurfs, nothing more). I don't know those games and I don't have the latest consoles so I'm a little lost there. And if we are talking about games with interesting gameplay, those I liked the most when I was young were Y's the vanished omen, Solstice or Shadowgate (even Sorcery on TO8). I'm not sure many people would like their gameplay nowadays.
Because I'm having fun. Also, I met amazing people such as Unruly, randiel, rafster and more including you.
Non porn games have also their own problems (the chance aspect of bubble games is very annoying).
Well, I also have a hard time finding something stimulating enough but I don't play porn games with my hand on the stick (I've even rarely masturbated while playing). If I really have a need, I can just make it happen mechanically.

Like I mentioned earlier, There are plenty of games do that, Just not Porn Games.
And the sad thing is We likely never gonna see one, Unless there are some Major Tech Breakthrough that solve Core issue of Porn game development. Maybe AI tech Can.

I've never seen one but maybe I'm not searching where I should (if I had the time that is...).

If the game Forces players to do things they are Not signing up to do, then Yes.
For example: I sign up to play TFC, Cuz it's a text-based porn game with gameplay, Not to waste time on mindless grind that's totally arbitrary.
Indeed Many games have player punishment, intentionally or unintentionally.
In some game it's even a core:
Like Dark Soul, It's highly punishing that whip you hard for bad play. But the Purpose is what matters: let players overcome challenges to get fulfilment.
On the other hand, Time Wasting as punishment serve no purse other than waste time.

I play TFC as a dating sim. The goal is to reach the love ending with each NPC, whatever the hurdles I encounter doing so.
You see it as wasting time and punishment, I see it as progressing further a storyline.

Pretty sure this is different from the "a harem/NTR discussion" (where just opinions).
This is about game development, the standards are already established.

What I meant with that was we are having a civilized conversation which is impossible in harem/NTR threads.

I think that's enough for the off topic. Our points of view are just too different.

Good continuation.

 

[C~xix ~io<3]

To skip the filler-grind use save editor. As for the content... there's no topping/vers stuff unfortunately.
It's boring to know how each scenario will play out when all the sexable npcs are tops.

 

[diana1038]

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[Musclesluva]

I can't seem to find the construction worker at all, or find anyone to workout in the gym with except the brother

 

[antonep1]

Is the Dad's Bad Ending (Being caught) still bugged?

Also can one remove the hygiene requirement for the Professor once you've reached close to the end of his story?

 

[onionlover]

I can't seem to find the construction worker at all, or find anyone to workout in the gym with except the brother

You can first find the construction worker at 17:00 at the fast food restaurant. The rest of the instruction you can find in the WORK HARD PAY HARD quest in the objective tab.

Gym right now is really bareboned, so you'll only find the brother regularly there.

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Is the Dad's Bad Ending (Being caught) still bugged?

Also can one remove the hygiene requirement for the Professor once you've reached close to the end of his story?

I'm still looking at the fix for the being caught ending right now.

Not really possible to do so. He's hygienic man that require cleanliness in his subjects.

 

[ZoroZash2]

Love the game!

 

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[Kurobatique]

MC is bottom only ?

 

[Beebussy]

If you can't take Proper discussion, that's not my problem, dude.

Daily postings that span paragraphs is way more than "proper discussion" and if English is you're first language I worry for you because I think I've seen multiple different people use this as an explanation for your posts being difficult to understand. I really hope this porn addiction isn't effecting your real life

 

[Oliz82]

Hello.

One of the few games I follow that I immediately download when an update shows up.
And once again, it was nice. The new game mechanism is interesting and quite challenging for tasks more difficult to be accepted. It also opens more possibilities with older characters and other random events.

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Good continuation.

 

[onionlover]

MC is bottom only ?

Yes, for now the protagonist is bottom only.

Hello.

One of the few games I follow that I immediately download when an update shows up.
And once again, it was nice. The new game mechanism is interesting and quite challenging for tasks more difficult to be accepted. It also opens more possibilities with older characters and other random events.

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Good continuation.

Thanks for the comment. Hmm, in my mind if I only have a very brief conversation with someone in passing, I wouldn't remember them to be honest. However, I do see your point.

About the feelings when things started with magic, you'll find out once the patch for endings drop.

 

[klaustidus0]

Yes, for now the protagonist is bottom only.

I personally hope that won't change. It makes it easier to relate to the MC for me. Also at this point, to the exclusion of Young Marcus (which hopefully will be complete soon), it almost unheard of a bottom MC who is allowed to stay a man. Feminization can be nice, but this here is a rare treat

 

[donorys]

I personally hope that won't change. It makes it easier to relate to the MC for me. Also at this point, to the exclusion of Young Marcus (which hopefully will be complete soon), it almost unheard of a bottom MC who is allowed to stay a man. Feminization can be nice, but this here is a rare treat

Same, but if we want some fairness, maybe the dev could implement a choice whether the MC wants to top or bottom? Seems like not many VNs do this, as the love interests are usually already predetermined they're top or bottom

 

[Oliz82]

Hello.

Thanks for the comment. Hmm, in my mind if I only have a very brief conversation with someone in passing, I wouldn't remember them to be honest. However, I do see your point.

I was just thinking something like "I remember seeing your face somewhere. Did we meet before?". But your reaction is also understandable. It just depends on our personality (or, here, the one you want for the MC).
What made me feel that way was it happens just after the sexcavation expedition. So the time isn't that long between the 2 encounters.

I personally hope that won't change. It makes it easier to relate to the MC for me. Also at this point, to the exclusion of Young Marcus (which hopefully will be complete soon), it almost unheard of a bottom MC who is allowed to stay a man. Feminization can be nice, but this here is a rare treat

Same, but if we want some fairness, maybe the dev could implement a choice whether the MC wants to top or bottom? Seems like not many VNs do this, as the love interests are usually already predetermined they're top or bottom

As a switch, I don't mind what role the MC takes.

I agree with klaustidus0 that bottom MC are too often found in sissification games. The lack of variations is a little sadening.

As donorys said, it would be nice if the role could be decided when building the relationship with the LI. I'm for everything to be consensual, so asking before doing anything and having the LI not always receptive could make an interesting game, though I think it would require too much work from a dev perspective.

Good continuation.

 

[AlexanderUniquePlease]

How do you unlock the park fuck from Rob? I finished both the endings on him but it is still locked on the memories. Thanks

 

[onionlover]

How do you unlock the park fuck from Rob? I finished both the endings on him but it is still locked on the memories. Thanks

Go to Eastern Medicine Shop and ask What gift will help me cozy up with my boss at the fast food restaurant?

Afterwards, go to him at the restaurant and give him the socks and he'll have instruction on when you can meet him at the park. You need to have 21+ lust for the scene in the park to trigger.