VN Ren'Py The Fiery Scion [Update 28a] [Vander]

[RobLocksley]

Yep, it's a very comprehansive post, well done!

Only one error that I found: Lady Ashford is not traitorous. She didn't take her duties seriously enough and let things happens that shouldn't be, but she did not actively do anything wrong. Well, as far as we know.

Good, because I'd get naked with her... more likely she wants a man who will more be at Seldorm more than Aetas... so not asking she be added; I suppose most nobles want a husband around more: Henri (main character (MC)) already married four (despite two elves usually together) and with number of other/soon/potential concubines/wives, it doesn't make sense for him to try to marry every good-looking noble/royal.
        The guy you replied to who listed every character/woman in the game said Henri (MC) won't get some due to death, but whether resurrection happens hasn't been established... it's something clerics may use, and a couple good clerics died, so maybe a possibility... hard to see what they looked like, but let's not rule that out unless lore is revealed.
        One thing that would be neat if Athagan & Liliana or The Queen of Aetas have an identical twins maids, and you get maid twins at the same time.
        Don't remember if I said in a previous post (can't find in search) but I think gaping would add to the game... some people would dislike it for butts (I won't ask for that) and others might think puts too much emphasis on pornography. There were third-person moments in the game before (after monster attacked in underground dungeon and Monica helped Henri (MC)) so not out of ordinary for such story, but not always third-person either.
        I would've liked to have married Avila & Miriella at the same time, but I guess Miriella was getting over abusive situation.

 

[Tiur]

Yep, it's a very comprehansive post, well done!

Heh, well, I've shown you my notes on the game, so you know what kind of stuff I keep track of. XD

Only one error that I found: Lady Ashford is not traitorous. She didn't take her duties seriously enough and let things happens that shouldn't be, but she did not actively do anything wrong. Well, as far as we know.

No worries, I did mention that it's got some speculation, so there may be things that aren't 100% accurate. I likely jumped the gun and made an assumption when taking notes on her. I will update.

The guy you replied to who listed every character/woman in the game said Henri (MC) won't get some due to death, but whether resurrection happens hasn't been established... it's something clerics may use, and a couple good clerics died, so maybe a possibility... hard to see what they looked like, but let's not rule that out unless lore is revealed.

At a certain point I have to make assumptions and cut off some from tracking on the list, so I made some assumptions based on reasonability and what we've seen in-game so far. As soon as resurrection magic shows up, I might move some of those entries, but until then, I'll just leave it with my assumptions.

Don't remember if I said in a previous post (can't find in search) but I think gaping would add to the game...

The main issue with gaping is that the mods available for HS1 genitalia are, as far as I am aware, somewhat limited in what they can do while still looking good. Also, using one of the mods that might support it would likely result in significant changes to the appearances of genitalia for a lot of characters. HS1 just isn't as versatile as some other tools for character posing and rendering (the tradeoff being that it is still significantly easier to use than most of the other ones besides HS2, which as Vander has said did not have enough good fantasy/medieval assets and mods when he started this game, and Koikatsu, which is a wildly different visual style that is... shall we say, "polarizing").

I would've liked to have married Avila & Miriella at the same time, but I guess Miriella was getting over abusive situation.

Miriella can't marry the MC, she's a commoner. She can be his concubine, though.

 

[Vanderer]

No resurection magic in the setting I am affraid. There is necromancy, but that's another thing entirely, and evil. Damage the souls used, and cause incredible pains for eons, so...

The VN is loosely based on a D&D campaign in had, and I don't do resurection there for the same reason than in the VN: it cheapens Death and remove consequences.

 

[Craigdon97]

No resurection magic in the setting I am affraid. There is necromancy, but that's another thing entirely, and evil. Damage the souls used, and cause incredible pains for eons, so...

The VN is loosely based on a D&D campaign in had, and I don't do resurection there for the same reason than in the VN: it cheapens Death and remove consequences.

Who's dead?

 

[Vanderer]

Who's dead?

Well, a few people now. But no one "important", so far. I was just talking about the setting in general.

 

[Craigdon97]

Well, a few people now. But no one "important", so far. I was just talking about the setting in general.

Oh haha kinda thought a li died, I tend to not like seeing li die especially if there is no way to bring them back

 

[HentaiKami]

No resurection magic in the setting I am affraid. There is necromancy, but that's another thing entirely, and evil. Damage the souls used, and cause incredible pains for eons, so...

The VN is loosely based on a D&D campaign in had, and I don't do resurection there for the same reason than in the VN: it cheapens Death and remove consequences.

While i do understand settings reasons why necromancy is evil, it's kind of sad that necromancy is almost always considered to be evil. Only so few settings where its actually neutral in games.

 

[Vanderer]

While i do understand settings reasons why necromancy is evil, it's kind of sad that necromancy is almost always considered to be evil. Only so few settings where its actually neutral in games.

I mean...yopu make corpses move around. Around most cultures, corpses are a huge taboo.

There is some ways that necromancy could be not evil, like with the consent of the person before their death, but...yeah, having corpses walking around is a hard sell.

 

[Mommysbuttslut]

I mean...yopu make corpses move around. Around most cultures, corpses are a huge taboo.

There is some ways that necromancy could be not evil, like with the consent of the person before their death, but...yeah, having corpses walking around is a hard sell.

I always liked the idea of using it as an investigative tool for murder cases.
Cute zombie girls are also a pretty good argument, need that zombussy in my life.

 

[TigerWolfe]

I mean...yopu make corpses move around. Around most cultures, corpses are a huge taboo.

There is some ways that necromancy could be not evil, like with the consent of the person before their death, but...yeah, having corpses walking around is a hard sell.

Some lores have healing magic under necromancy as healing deals pretty intimately with death. I think that's a neat approach, personally.

I think necromancy is really only evil where it disregards consent... If I consent for you to put my spirit back in this body, we're golden... As long as you didn't acquire the body nefariously... But if I didn't consent then we have issues.

 

[HiHaHo]

Some lores have healing magic under necromancy as healing deals pretty intimately with death. I think that's a neat approach, personally.

I think necromancy is really only evil where it disregards consent... If I consent for you to put my spirit back in this body, we're golden... As long as you didn't aquire the body nefariously... But if I didn't consent then we have issues.

i also remember a other naritive where Necromancy was strictly regulated but the people who practices that school of magic did stuff like : reanimate murder victims for testamony and/or indentifying suspects plus allowing family to say last goodbyes.

 

[e6mill]

While i do understand settings reasons why necromancy is evil, it's kind of sad that necromancy is almost always considered to be evil. Only so few settings where its actually neutral in games.

 

[TigerWolfe]

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[e6mill]

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Try clicking on it - if you're being serious.

 

[TigerWolfe]

Try clicking on it - if you're being serious.

I did, it's just tiny in thread.

 

[HentaiKami]

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I mean, not my kink but you do you.

In all seriousness though, i do like that in some settings necromancy, while considered by more puritan factions of light, to be evil, is actually quite neutral on the alignment. Hell it's one of the things i like in Diablo lore even though i've stopped caring for the games years ago, necromancers as an order are the only faction in game lore that have managed to resist the influence of angels or demons. And are actually there to protect the world from breach of either side. Or in Grim Dawn where necromancers are also there to work to defend the world and the living.

 

[HentaiKami]

I mean...yopu make corpses move around. Around most cultures, corpses are a huge taboo.

There is some ways that necromancy could be not evil, like with the consent of the person before their death, but...yeah, having corpses walking around is a hard sell.

I mean, if it's just making the dead walk around and do stuff is not that bad on itself, especially if it doesn't really necessarily involve the soul of the original owner of the body. It would pretty much be fantasy version of rudimentary robots then.

 

[Tiur]

Oh haha kinda thought a li died, I tend to not like seeing li die especially if there is no way to bring them back

It came up in the context of my post way earlier in the thread that I linked to recently, where I broke down every single named woman who has appeared or been mentioned in the game (plus several unnamed women) as to how likely they were to become harem members. I put all the dead women in the game so far into the "never" category, and someone brought up resurrection magic as a possible counter.

 

[Skep-tiker]

I mean, not my kink but you do you.

In all seriousness though, i do like that in some settings necromancy, while considered by more puritan factions of light, to be evil, is actually quite neutral on the alignment. Hell it's one of the things i like in Diablo lore even though i've stopped caring for the games years ago, necromancers as an order are the only faction in game lore that have managed to resist the influence of angels or demons. And are actually there to protect the world from breach of either side. Or in Grim Dawn where necromancers are also there to work to defend the world and the living.

Its usuallycalled a twist, because it contradics the expections

 

[Elhemeer]

The S.Korean Light Novel "Solo Leveling" had an interesting take on Necromancy ... of course, it's looking at it from a more world-breaking level, but it didn't ignore the moral ambiguity/quandary of making a "hero" someone who reanimates souls.