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Did someone mis-explain parents or women in Aetas must have at least two children... someone else said that's if they want contraceptives? Nowadays, if a nation doesn't have average at least 2.1 to 2.3 kids per family birthrate (forgot exact figure) population declines (due to deaths) so there's socioeconomic crisis within generation, but I'd guess in more deadly Mediaeval times (more fatal illness and violence) it'd have needed higher birthrate... so unsure law requiring at least two kids makes sense, especially with curse males are decreasing? Mediaeval families commonly had four to eight kids (don't know includes ones died soon at/after birth) and wasn't uncommon some/all died earlier. It'd make sense for Aetas to require more kids before contraceptives. Doesn't affect enjoying story/game though.
Have you ever been told that sometimes you over analyze things?
 

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Did someone mis-explain parents or women in Aetas must have at least two children... someone else said that's if they want contraceptives? Nowadays, if a nation doesn't have average at least 2.1 to 2.3 kids per family birthrate (forgot exact figure) population declines (due to deaths) so there's socioeconomic crisis within generation, but I'd guess in more deadly Mediaeval times (more fatal illness and violence) it'd have needed higher birthrate... so unsure law requiring at least two kids makes sense, especially with curse males are decreasing? Mediaeval families commonly had four to eight kids (don't know includes ones died soon at/after birth) and wasn't uncommon some/all died earlier. It'd make sense for Aetas to require more kids before contraceptives. Doesn't affect enjoying story/game though.
First of all the level and efficacy of health care in Aetas appears to be absolutely exceptional. Ignoring one current story thread healthcare is free, magical, fast and extremely reliable. I imagine their infant mortality rate isn't too far off from our own modern day rates. Also remember that men are highly incentivized to take multiple wives. If a guy has 5 wives and each of them has 2 children then that's 10 children being born per family. If at least one of them is a boy and that boy grows up to take at least 5 wives then the population would still grow. Can only do that for so many generations before the male population drops too low to both sustain and avoid inbreeding but it should hold over long enough to hopefully cure the curse.
 
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First of all the level and efficacy of health care in Aetas appears to be absolutely exceptional. Ignoring one current story thread healthcare is free, magical, fast and extremely reliable. I imagine their infant mortality rate isn't too far off from our own modern day rates. Also remember that men are highly incentivized to take multiple wives. If a guy has 5 wives and each of them has 2 children then that's 10 children being born per family. If at least one of them is a boy and that boy grows up to take at least 5 wives then the population would still grow. Can only do that for so many generations before the male population drops too low to both sustain and avoid inbreeding but it should hold over long enough to hopefully cure the curse.
seems about right.

it is a issue for the average male to have 5 wives and 10+ children ,they can't properly provide for said family but recent changes made (reopening trade whit the wood elfs) should make it easier though.

but the curse still puts a huge strain on proper population growth the only real long term assurance would be to remove the curse, or somehow get enough Ishtar priestesses that every male can marry one
 

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First of all the level and efficacy of health care in Aetas appears to be absolutely exceptional. Ignoring one current story thread healthcare is free, magical, fast and extremely reliable. I imagine their infant mortality rate isn't too far off from our own modern day rates. Also remember that men are highly incentivized to take multiple wives. If a guy has 5 wives and each of them has 2 children then that's 10 children being born per family. If at least one of them is a boy and that boy grows up to take at least 5 wives then the population would still grow. Can only do that for so many generations before the male population drops too low to both sustain and avoid inbreeding but it should hold over long enough to hopefully cure the curse.
That's nearly spot-on.

Like you said, the heathcare level in Aetas is exceptional, far far better than IRL. Cancer? Cured with a spell. Every single children diseases? Cured with a spell. Etc... There are some exceptions, like the withering, where you need more, but those are rare, and mostly magical in nature. The only medical procedures that you have to pay for are those that are cosmetic. And while no one HAS to pay, it's morally wrong to not give to the church of Marduk if you can afford it.

The only thing you are wrong about is that the infant mortality is lower than IRL. Marduk's clercis are far batter than modern medecine even dream to be, and the priestesses of Ishtar are all very well trained midwives, and collaborate with Marduk's followers so that deliveries go without an itch. And collaborated with the mages to study every facet of pregnancy and child-rearing to be as efficient as possible ever since the curse was discovered.

It's not well explained yet, but Aetas, and the world in general, lost a lot of improvments over the years. For example, skyships were common in the past. But they did not lose their magic. At least when it comes to arcane and divine spells. There was some knowledge lost when the Dwarven Empire fell, since they were the best enchanters in the world. So, while they are mostly medieval, a few centuries ago they were more at the renaissance level of technology, with magic on top of that. And they really, really, put the focus on beating the curse any ways they can. When you have magic at your disposal, a lot can be done. The demons actually underestimated the plane the world the story happens in, most others they conquered fell faster. But, there is only so much that can be done until the curse is broken, and the demons do use others means to reduce their numbers, like spycraft or supporting hostile groups.

As for the two children rules, nobody force you to have two children, but you can't access contaceptive before it, and they are controlled by the church of Ishtar. There is a black market, but the penalties are very harsh, death or collar.

And the Curse did not always reduce the ratio boys/girls to 1 in 10 right away. It was a progressive thing, and it continues to get lower.
 

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about fertility rate - in this case - forget about males. just count children per woman.

but, after health issues, there are thuggery, other criminal, famines, accidents, which are more common in this medieval world even compared to car accidents.
 

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about fertility rate - in this case - forget about males. just count children per woman.

but, after health issues, there are thuggery, other criminal, famines, accidents, which are more common in this medieval world even compared to car accidents.
True, hence the declining population. Note that Wildale is one of the counties that are more affected by bandit's/orcs though, so what was shown is not the normal all over the kingdom.

And it's difficult for the Queen to force more children by woman since they would have a hard time feeding them.
 
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A few renders from the next update which will take longer than average to get out:
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Finally caught up with the most recent release, had played v16 till that and the praise for this game persists to grow, the plot and even the parts of romancing the LIs as each of them is kinda unique to one another. And seeing these spoiler images damn think the release number 20 is gonna be very action-packed, and it feels like a big onslaught here, probably the biggest in comparison to any other in the game. Gonna be quite interesting what lies ahead here.

Thanks for reading Dev, best wishes for ahead:)
 
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tiger dont looks angry, he like always crying. i understand render issue, but still hoping for improve
 

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Still hoping to see map next chapter. Missing tags are: 3d game, spanking (also humiliation?), titfuck, virgin, and may soon be a Mediaeval tag (don't know if/how relevant... similar/inspired, not Earth).
 
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Based on Vanderer's description I'd say the situation is pretty much the same as with Seveneves and other similar apocalypse scenarios (although somewhat on a slower time scale). It's a common concept in fiction that when the end of the world is at hand humans are really good at focusing on that problem en masse. So when bringing enough children to the world is the problem you can bet your ass that humans will do whatever it takes to make them the best there is in making sure that children are born healthy and stay healthy. I'm not convinced myself that that's how it would actually go but it's a common trope.

As mentioned deaths from accidents, bandits etc. will bring the number of adults down so two children per woman might still not be enough to stabilize and as stated in the story it's almost an impossible requirement anyway due to resources getting low and in any case since the male birth ratio is decreasing constantly due to the curse, not just staying on 10% there won't physically be enough males unless their life gets extended somehow. In that case we enter the realm of some other stories where the ratio of female to male is much much higher and it becomes a completely different situation depending on how powerful those few males are.

Without the curse progressing and the ratio getting worse there could be two routes out of the situation. First being cure the curse and second being rapid technological progression so the scarcity can be eased and population can stabilize. However the second one would require some drastic population control and the current story doesn't seem to depict the culture in a way that they would go there. However you never know where a culture might evolve.
 
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Based on Vanderer's description I'd say the situation is pretty much the same as with Seveneves and other similar apocalypse scenarios (although somewhat on a slower time scale). It's a common concept in fiction that when the end of the world is at hand humans are really good at focusing on that problem en masse. So when bringing enough children to the world is the problem you can bet your ass that humans will do whatever it takes to make them the best there is in making sure that children are born healthy and stay healthy. I'm not convinced myself that that's how it would actually go but it's a common trope.

As mentioned deaths from accidents, bandits etc. will bring the number of adults down so two children per woman might still not be enough to stabilize and as stated in the story it's almost an impossible requirement anyway due to resources getting low and in any case since the male birth ratio is decreasing constantly due to the curse, not just staying on 10% there won't physically be enough males unless their life gets extended somehow. In that case we enter the realm of some other stories where the ratio of female to male is much much higher and it becomes a completely different situation depending on how powerful those few males are.

Without the curse progressing and the ratio getting worse there could be two routes out of the situation. First being cure the curse and second being rapid technological progression so the scarcity can be eased and population can stabilize. However the second one would require some drastic population control and the current story doesn't seem to depict the culture in a way that they would go there. However you never know where a culture might evolve.
Which is funny because making sure that enough/not too many people are born on a national scale is something that humans are pretty provably bad at.
 

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yes i know... but why repeat it with the same women every night?. & taking a slave to fuck every night on mission:oops: .... Only a sex maniac would do that... Not a warrior on a mission
Well, to answer your first point, maybe he likes her and wants to get her pregnant? As for the second question, the mc is horny pretty much 24/7, wants loads of kids and is determined to claim/look after every woman who bears his children. What else do you expect him to do?
Besides, the story has given no indication that the mc is competant at preparing food. So, taking one of his maids is good for him personally and good for the party. Given that the missions they have gone on so far have not been that dangerous for the party, there would seem to be no reason really to not take a maid.
 

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undead? that is the enemy's frontline.. after a few fireballs!
Exxxtra cwispy.

I ended up replaying the story a couple days ago and it just clicked to me now that this might be the mine athagan mentions having been taken over by undead and possibly demons involved.
 
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